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11/5/2011 4:53pm Edited Date/Time 11/5/2011 4:54pm
flarider wrote:
Oh, they're going to run a sticker!! Occasionally you'll read one where someone will say they'll promote the product to friends and other racers, but maybe...
Oh, they're going to run a sticker!!

Occasionally you'll read one where someone will say they'll promote the product to friends and other racers, but maybe 95% of the time it's "In exchange for your support, I will display a decal promoting your product" (it's like a standard line in a manual somewhere)
Being on both sides as a sponsor AND a parent of a rider I always struggle with this one, what can a rider do for their sponsors in your opinion beyond the "sticker/graphics" and talking to others about the product - what makes a rider valuable to a team in your opinion?
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Why didn't you have any fun and memories from growing up? Run into a Men in Black agent and get yourself neuralized?
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11/5/2011 5:11pm Edited Date/Time 11/5/2011 5:13pm
flarider wrote:
Oh, they're going to run a sticker!! Occasionally you'll read one where someone will say they'll promote the product to friends and other racers, but maybe...
Oh, they're going to run a sticker!!

Occasionally you'll read one where someone will say they'll promote the product to friends and other racers, but maybe 95% of the time it's "In exchange for your support, I will display a decal promoting your product" (it's like a standard line in a manual somewhere)
jkkt wrote:
Being on both sides as a sponsor AND a parent of a rider I always struggle with this one, what can a rider do for their...
Being on both sides as a sponsor AND a parent of a rider I always struggle with this one, what can a rider do for their sponsors in your opinion beyond the "sticker/graphics" and talking to others about the product - what makes a rider valuable to a team in your opinion?
Make sure their local dealer is carrying it the product?
Make sure the trackside vendor is carrying it?

How about keeping in touch with your sponsors on a regular basis with your results?
Seems the only time we hear from anyone is when they want something.
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flarider wrote:
Oh, they're going to run a sticker!! Occasionally you'll read one where someone will say they'll promote the product to friends and other racers, but maybe...
Oh, they're going to run a sticker!!

Occasionally you'll read one where someone will say they'll promote the product to friends and other racers, but maybe 95% of the time it's "In exchange for your support, I will display a decal promoting your product" (it's like a standard line in a manual somewhere)
jkkt wrote:
Being on both sides as a sponsor AND a parent of a rider I always struggle with this one, what can a rider do for their...
Being on both sides as a sponsor AND a parent of a rider I always struggle with this one, what can a rider do for their sponsors in your opinion beyond the "sticker/graphics" and talking to others about the product - what makes a rider valuable to a team in your opinion?
flarider wrote:
Make sure their local dealer is carrying it the product? Make sure the trackside vendor is carrying it? How about keeping in touch with your sponsors...
Make sure their local dealer is carrying it the product?
Make sure the trackside vendor is carrying it?

How about keeping in touch with your sponsors on a regular basis with your results?
Seems the only time we hear from anyone is when they want something.
If a certain Ignorant Ass I know sends his 40 footer on the road...you're gonna need to put a display on that truck...

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As a matter of fact, it does
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jkkt wrote:
Being on both sides as a sponsor AND a parent of a rider I always struggle with this one, what can a rider do for their...
Being on both sides as a sponsor AND a parent of a rider I always struggle with this one, what can a rider do for their sponsors in your opinion beyond the "sticker/graphics" and talking to others about the product - what makes a rider valuable to a team in your opinion?
Being at sponsored events for the companies that help you. Also you need a good pit presence. Realistically more time is spent in the pits than on the track. Things like banners or stickers on campers. Also wear your sponsored company clothing(T-shirts, Hats etc..). Have good knowledge of the product you are running. Try and promote to other people and give referrals to your rider support. Also if someone is interested in placing an order for your companies product help assist them in doing so. Stay in good communication to your sponsors(results, plans, goals etc..). Take pictures of your set up at the races. Do detailed race reports with pictures and send those to your sponsors.

The biggest thing in our sport is don't burn bridges. Fulfill all your obligations to your sponsors. We see this a bunch on the pro level. I think that stems from another topic on here to amateur parents. They should be stressing to their kids the importance on follow through.

I have seen some of the most marketable people in our area not always the best guy. We have a guy around here who always had good sponsors. He gets lots of free products and other perks as well. With that though his bikes, vehicles and himself are always the best looking at the track. People notice that stuff. Even if your mid pack people notice others who are well put together.

I worked with FMX riders for years. Those guys can benefit with sponsors a lot more than a racer. I would stress to them about making themselves more marketable. If Adam Cianciarulo wasn't as fast as he is, I believe he would still be getting the help he is just more marketable than everyone else out there. Very personable, polite, and approachable are the keys to getting sponsors.

Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the long rant. Hope this helps as its from my experience.
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Don't burn bridges?
You're kidding, right?

You know all those riders people say "never get a break" or are "overlooked" or question why someone else is chosen over that guy...might be because of backstage bonfires all over the place.

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flarider wrote:
Don't burn bridges? You're kidding, right? You know all those riders people say "never get a break" or are "overlooked" or question why someone else is...
Don't burn bridges?
You're kidding, right?

You know all those riders people say "never get a break" or are "overlooked" or question why someone else is chosen over that guy...might be because of backstage bonfires all over the place.

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32,000 posts...

Translates to about a month, in posting time alone.

You must be so knowledgeable.
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flarider wrote:
Don't burn bridges? You're kidding, right? You know all those riders people say "never get a break" or are "overlooked" or question why someone else is...
Don't burn bridges?
You're kidding, right?

You know all those riders people say "never get a break" or are "overlooked" or question why someone else is chosen over that guy...might be because of backstage bonfires all over the place.

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32,000 posts...

Translates to about a month, in posting time alone.

You must be so knowledgeable.
Nope, I know nothing about nothing
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Since we keep slipping back into the sponsorship part of the plot, young local/regional riders can help their own cause by showing up at their supporting dealer a couple of times a season with their "pit show" - EZ-Up, bikes, pressure washer, cooler and all, along with any available promo stuff from their sponsors. Set out a few bottles from your lubricant (and coolant) guys. Wear your gear, have an extra set nicely hanging, and put your boots and helmet on display. Sit on the corner of your dealer's parking lot, say hi to people, be visible to traffic, and take lots of good pictures to show sponsors the exposure they get with your program. Don't forget a nice photo or poster at the end of the season, clearly showing their logos & such, with a big hand-written thank you down in the corner.

Is that too much? Not in any way.
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Why do we need to talk about ass hat parents. I don't think that this was the intend of the person that started this thread.

I can speak from past experience. My son was a top amateur from the time he was 8 until he turned pro. It's a shit load of pressure on an a kid that is nothing more than a baby. These kids are expected to win against the best in the country, and they know this, and it's a shit load of pressure. I have seen the look of not only my son's eyes, but other kids that were in the same boat. That look carried on through out many years (6 - 8, 60cc) all the way up until the day he turned into an AMA pro, and it's a big load to for a kid to carry. Now that I am older and wiser, I look back and wish that I had never put my son through it. Luckily, he's adjusted well when his world came crashing in, when the pro class didn't pan out as planned, and he's doing well in the real world.


It's a shit load of pressure for a very young child to deal with.
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11/5/2011 9:48pm Edited Date/Time 11/5/2011 9:54pm
jmar wrote:
Why do we need to talk about ass hat parents. I don't think that this was the intend of the person that started this thread. I...
Why do we need to talk about ass hat parents. I don't think that this was the intend of the person that started this thread.

I can speak from past experience. My son was a top amateur from the time he was 8 until he turned pro. It's a shit load of pressure on an a kid that is nothing more than a baby. These kids are expected to win against the best in the country, and they know this, and it's a shit load of pressure. I have seen the look of not only my son's eyes, but other kids that were in the same boat. That look carried on through out many years (6 - 8, 60cc) all the way up until the day he turned into an AMA pro, and it's a big load to for a kid to carry. Now that I am older and wiser, I look back and wish that I had never put my son through it. Luckily, he's adjusted well when his world came crashing in, when the pro class didn't pan out as planned, and he's doing well in the real world.


It's a shit load of pressure for a very young child to deal with.
Pressure...????

Who put the pressure on and about what jmar? Was your kid fighting for his life? Was your kids results in those days the difference between eating and not eating? How did the "pressure" to ride a freaking dirtbike develop? But seriously, pressure? Sorry but, that's Bullshit. A 18 yo holding a rifle in Iraq has pressure. Your boy sitting on a starting gate at an MX race, not so much.

Dave and MotoHose guy (and MotoHose, the fact that some dipshit would want their 5 yo to be associated with the skank image you have so proudly developed for your company is beyond me) I would prefer sponsors saved their money and just keep the prices of your product down. How many parents would think to contact Riddell or Schutt about a free helmet for their little gridiron star? Or Douglas about pads. Ya, I'm sure UnderArmor would be interested in making sure that your pee wee hockey player is decked out in their sweet gear... The stupidity just goes on and on. The problem that this sport suffers from is everyone expects to be sponsored. Everyone thinks they are the next big thing.
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flarider wrote:
Don't burn bridges? You're kidding, right? You know all those riders people say "never get a break" or are "overlooked" or question why someone else is...
Don't burn bridges?
You're kidding, right?

You know all those riders people say "never get a break" or are "overlooked" or question why someone else is chosen over that guy...might be because of backstage bonfires all over the place.

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jmar wrote:
Why do we need to talk about ass hat parents. I don't think that this was the intend of the person that started this thread. I...
Why do we need to talk about ass hat parents. I don't think that this was the intend of the person that started this thread.

I can speak from past experience. My son was a top amateur from the time he was 8 until he turned pro. It's a shit load of pressure on an a kid that is nothing more than a baby. These kids are expected to win against the best in the country, and they know this, and it's a shit load of pressure. I have seen the look of not only my son's eyes, but other kids that were in the same boat. That look carried on through out many years (6 - 8, 60cc) all the way up until the day he turned into an AMA pro, and it's a big load to for a kid to carry. Now that I am older and wiser, I look back and wish that I had never put my son through it. Luckily, he's adjusted well when his world came crashing in, when the pro class didn't pan out as planned, and he's doing well in the real world.


It's a shit load of pressure for a very young child to deal with.
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Pressure...???? Who put the pressure on and about what jmar? Was your kid fighting for his life? Was your kids results in those days the difference...
Pressure...????

Who put the pressure on and about what jmar? Was your kid fighting for his life? Was your kids results in those days the difference between eating and not eating? How did the "pressure" to ride a freaking dirtbike develop? But seriously, pressure? Sorry but, that's Bullshit. A 18 yo holding a rifle in Iraq has pressure. Your boy sitting on a starting gate at an MX race, not so much.

Dave and MotoHose guy (and MotoHose, the fact that some dipshit would want their 5 yo to be associated with the skank image you have so proudly developed for your company is beyond me) I would prefer sponsors saved their money and just keep the prices of your product down. How many parents would think to contact Riddell or Schutt about a free helmet for their little gridiron star? Or Douglas about pads. Ya, I'm sure UnderArmor would be interested in making sure that your pee wee hockey player is decked out in their sweet gear... The stupidity just goes on and on. The problem that this sport suffers from is everyone expects to be sponsored. Everyone thinks they are the next big thing.
I am not going to insult you worcsracer. But when a young kid signs a deal with an OEM, and knowing that he is the one that everyone is expecting to win. It's big pressure.

If you don't understand that, I can't help you. As I said, if I had it to do all over again, I would have done things differently. I would have never let my son come under that type of pressure.


BTW: This isn't just my son. It's all of those who are expected to win. I have seen it with my own eyes and it's a lot of pressure.
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I am not going to insult you worcsracer. But when a young kid signs a deal with an OEM, and knowing that he is the one...
I am not going to insult you worcsracer. But when a young kid signs a deal with an OEM, and knowing that he is the one that everyone is expecting to win. It's big pressure.

If you don't understand that, I can't help you. As I said, if I had it to do all over again, I would have done things differently. I would have never let my son come under that type of pressure.


BTW: This isn't just my son. It's all of those who are expected to win. I have seen it with my own eyes and it's a lot of pressure.
I'm not insulting your character, and nothing you could say is going to insult mine. You said given what you know now it was a mistake. I'm agreeing with you.
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jmar wrote:
I am not going to insult you worcsracer. But when a young kid signs a deal with an OEM, and knowing that he is the one...
I am not going to insult you worcsracer. But when a young kid signs a deal with an OEM, and knowing that he is the one that everyone is expecting to win. It's big pressure.

If you don't understand that, I can't help you. As I said, if I had it to do all over again, I would have done things differently. I would have never let my son come under that type of pressure.


BTW: This isn't just my son. It's all of those who are expected to win. I have seen it with my own eyes and it's a lot of pressure.
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I'm not insulting your character, and nothing you could say is going to insult mine. You said given what you know now it was a mistake...
I'm not insulting your character, and nothing you could say is going to insult mine. You said given what you know now it was a mistake. I'm agreeing with you.
Kids today understand things like this. My son won his first national title at age 8. From that point on, he knew he was expected to win, and that pressure didn't come from me. When he signed his OEM deal at age 12, he knew that he was expected to win.

That's way to much pressure for a young kid, and if I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't have let him sign that deal and feel that pressure.

We all learn life's lessons as we go on.
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jmar wrote:
Kids today understand things like this. My son won his first national title at age 8. From that point on, he knew he was expected to...
Kids today understand things like this. My son won his first national title at age 8. From that point on, he knew he was expected to win, and that pressure didn't come from me. When he signed his OEM deal at age 12, he knew that he was expected to win.

That's way to much pressure for a young kid, and if I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't have let him sign that deal and feel that pressure.

We all learn life's lessons as we go on.
So if he had won science awards at age eight, committed to an excellent prep school in eighth grade and then had to compete his ass off against some of the brightest kids to get into a top medical school would your answer or choices be different?
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jmar wrote:
Kids today understand things like this. My son won his first national title at age 8. From that point on, he knew he was expected to...
Kids today understand things like this. My son won his first national title at age 8. From that point on, he knew he was expected to win, and that pressure didn't come from me. When he signed his OEM deal at age 12, he knew that he was expected to win.

That's way to much pressure for a young kid, and if I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't have let him sign that deal and feel that pressure.

We all learn life's lessons as we go on.
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So if he had won science awards at age eight, committed to an excellent prep school in eighth grade and then had to compete his ass...
So if he had won science awards at age eight, committed to an excellent prep school in eighth grade and then had to compete his ass off against some of the brightest kids to get into a top medical school would your answer or choices be different?
I actually went to school w/ some fellow Physics geeks that had "pressure" issues.

Me, I left to ride Moto.

I left a Free-Ride (Same as a "Sponsorship" in this case).

Go figure...
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I know this sounds like bullshit, but he also won the Masonic award for academics at age 9, and a scholarship to NASA space camp in FL at age 10 or 11. That really never bothered him. It's not like that was something that was expected of him. He knew that he was expected to win races though.


He was a smart kid. And that was the difference when he didn't make it in racing.
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RV's dad was the biggest asshole i have ever seen. ryan would never crack a smile at the track and you could tell at an early age he was there for one reason and that was to win. I always thought it was a bit extreme and rediculous how his dad acted but look where RV is now.
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I know this sounds like bullshit, but he also won the Masonic award for academics at age 9, and a scholarship to NASA space camp in...
I know this sounds like bullshit, but he also won the Masonic award for academics at age 9, and a scholarship to NASA space camp in FL at age 10 or 11. That really never bothered him. It's not like that was something that was expected of him. He knew that he was expected to win races though.


He was a smart kid. And that was the difference when he didn't make it in racing.
I am in basic agreement with you but see it more as a reward issue than a rejection of the process. You and your kid would probably do it all over again if he had rung the Ricky or Bubba bell. Really good doesn't mean much in this sport.

A "really good" rider is right below the reward, close enough to see it, but one screw-up away from never tasting it. Most try too hard and injure thenselves. It is probably much more frustrating than having little or no talent and just having a good time.
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It is probably much more frustrating than having little or no talent and just having a good time.

so very true...
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RV's dad was the biggest asshole i have ever seen. ryan would never crack a smile at the track and you could tell at an early...
RV's dad was the biggest asshole i have ever seen. ryan would never crack a smile at the track and you could tell at an early age he was there for one reason and that was to win. I always thought it was a bit extreme and rediculous how his dad acted but look where RV is now.
I think many people would be shocked at how many of the top pro's parents would be considered "mini parents" by those on this board.

If you look at the current crop of pro's most have been factory riders since they were young. That's a lot of pressure on youngsters and then of course you have the kids trying there ass off to get on those amateurs teams since there parents desperately need the financial support.

The system sucks in my opinion, contingency and support should given to A riders or maybe have a pro-am series where the factories can recruit their next team riders from and let the young kids race for fun.
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I am a mini dad...no my son isn't winning every moto and we don't home school, have a trainer or practice 5 times a week. I didn't pick this sport for my son either. I rode bmx as a kid and played baseball. My son choose this sport. He loves to ride a dirt bike. He loves to do something new at the track when we do get to go and practice, and then come over with that little grin as happy as can be. We went to Loretta's to watch this year and since we have come home all he wants to do is ride. He wants a sword and wants to be interviewed on the podium. I don't have a million dollars in the bank and I will take any little discount anyone will provide us, thats no lie. Its hard to keep up in this sport, its expensive to race, but if thats what he wants to do we will try to do it. We have saved every nickel and dime we could this fall to go to the mini o's. He's only been racing for a little over a year and we may get waxed but I bet he has fun. He will have his toy dirt bikes and monster trucks, he will make some friends and we will have memories of a great week in Florida to last us a lifetime.

I know we probably don't deserve any of the sponsors we have but we do to try to promote them. I built a website for my son and and trailer graphics made up to do what we can to help the guys that help us.

Nobody will ever be able to take away the time I have been able to spend with my son the past year and to me that is the most important thing in life.
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Having fun.................this is where it all started .................let them have fun ,self esteem is a product of fun and also a product of self -esteem is wanting better for yourself .

I was ,one of those mini dads ,makin the kids cry ,lookin for results and it made it worse to the point where my son had issues elswhere in school etc..
Through counseling i learned the value of self esteeem and confidence in atletes abroad .There is no greater skill you can instill in a racer or child athlete than confidence in itself .
We returned one race ,and as we stood on the line i said to my son ,''bud just go have fun''.......he looked at me like i had two heads and said ''you don't care where i finish'' and i said nope just have fun .He went on to finish 9th[usually a 20-30th rider] and when he came in with the biggest smile on his face, it was then that i realized why we had started racing .................because it was fun

I coach soccer and hockey as well as we still ride occasionally and i have found a pat on the back works ten-fold over the pressure to succeed yellin and screamin .
Maybe some other dads will try this and realize as well
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ODB wrote:
Having fun.................this is where it all started .................let them have fun ,self esteem is a product of fun and also a product of self -esteem is...
Having fun.................this is where it all started .................let them have fun ,self esteem is a product of fun and also a product of self -esteem is wanting better for yourself .

I was ,one of those mini dads ,makin the kids cry ,lookin for results and it made it worse to the point where my son had issues elswhere in school etc..
Through counseling i learned the value of self esteeem and confidence in atletes abroad .There is no greater skill you can instill in a racer or child athlete than confidence in itself .
We returned one race ,and as we stood on the line i said to my son ,''bud just go have fun''.......he looked at me like i had two heads and said ''you don't care where i finish'' and i said nope just have fun .He went on to finish 9th[usually a 20-30th rider] and when he came in with the biggest smile on his face, it was then that i realized why we had started racing .................because it was fun

I coach soccer and hockey as well as we still ride occasionally and i have found a pat on the back works ten-fold over the pressure to succeed yellin and screamin .
Maybe some other dads will try this and realize as well
That having fun stuff sounds really cool until you spend a fortune, drive your kid to a bunch of stupid nationals, eat up all of your spare time, lose all of your non-moto friends and acquaintances, etc. If your kid wants to compete on a national basis, it is part of the deal that he put out national level committment. Most people (adults and kids) like to believe that they want to accomplish something. Few really want to put out what it takes.

I have read posts where the parents say they would be happy if their kid made lorettas. That is fine the first time, but after a couple of years of kicking out big cash to sweat in the Tennessee heat, it gets old. So then it is training, riding schools, competitve mod bikes, and committment from both the rider and the parents.
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and you can't have fun doin all that ...............????
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We ride and hangout amongst those parents 2 LL multi champions and a few more that go almost every year.

thatdad has been there because he reflects what I see amongst our riding friends. My son has a ton of fun and can ride with these kids. But those families have no other life than motocross, I'm not going "that far" down the road.

I won't put that kind of pressure on my kid, it was hard enough for me laying in the dirt alongside him yesterday. Took a bad one after the frame broke on our 5 year old bike and was laying there still asking when the ambulance was going to get here. After 6 years of this THAT day came upon us and it creates a lot of doubt if you should be allowing your kid to do this.

The only thing that made me feel good was the compliments from the medical staff on all the safety gear the kid was wearing. That RXR may not look cool but falling from 20' onto hard pack clay right on his back and hip made it worth it.
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and you can't have fun doin all that ...............????
It is if that is what you and your kid really want to do. There is nothing wrong with sacrifice. You just can't bullshit yourself.

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