Monster Energy Cup - max 2-stroke is 250cc?!

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 1:28pm
Is it true that the Monster Energy Cup is only allowing 250cc max on 2-strokes?!!!!!! Can anyone confirm this absolute BULLSHIT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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flarider 9/29/2011 1:38pm
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Any size or type

Good ol fashion "Run what ya brung" race
miedosoracing1 9/29/2011 1:40pm
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Sounds like it is an Any cc 2 or 4, but "we" won't tell anyone, so that way, no one will race a big bore 2 stroke and beat the chokes. Official PR says 125 and 250 2 stroke, but the "in group" says it's open. Funny how that worked in the military, let's try it at the cup race. "don't ask, don't tell."
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stangkag 9/29/2011 1:45pm
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Was hoping to see at least one CR or KX 500 AF !!!
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Wouldn't matter if it was open CC's...

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burn1986 9/29/2011 1:47pm
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ML512 wrote:
Wouldn't matter if it was open CC's...
Maybe not, but still. Hopefully this is only a rumor, and not official.
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ML512 9/29/2011 1:50pm
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ML512 wrote:
Wouldn't matter if it was open CC's...
burn1986 wrote:
Maybe not, but still. Hopefully this is only a rumor, and not official.
Still doesn't matter...
miedosoracing1 9/29/2011 1:50pm
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ML512 wrote:
Wouldn't matter if it was open CC's...
burn1986 wrote:
Maybe not, but still. Hopefully this is only a rumor, and not official.
The official PR says 125 2 stroke and 250 2 stroke. GuyB and EID have both said it is open. I was told previous to the announcement it would be open. Sounds like it is open. But it doesn't matter now, because the official PR has said for months it was 125 and 250 2 strokes, not open. So no one is gonna run one, guaranteed. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" worked really well.

@ML512, if Short ran top 10 on a 350 choke, a top guy would do just as good if not better on a 300 2 stroke, in comparison.
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burn1986 9/29/2011 2:02pm
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I'm awaiting an email response from Feld Entertainment.
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if true, then that's some fuckin bullshit
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burn1986 9/29/2011 2:03pm
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ML512 wrote:
Still doesn't matter...
Wouldn't matter if you actually weren't retarded.
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BIGHEAD1 9/29/2011 2:53pm
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I know this won't do a thing for your ignorant close minded bullshit...

No one would race a 300cc two stroke...because they would get slaughtered just like a a 400-500cc 2 stroke would. Why because they are undeveloped. Service Honda's are great bikes for normal riders,, but the frame flex that was designed around a four stroke engine being in there..makes it unridable at that level. Chris Blose tried riding one at Mammoth and it was all over the place.. When factories are making motor mounts 1mm thinner and riders are noticing a difference, putting in a 2-stroke engine in replace of the the engine it came with, which by itself is designed as an integral piece of the frame is moronic. So at the very least you are stuck with boring out a 250cc that is 6 years old in design... or a ktm. To what? 280? ....why the fuck would any pro who is doing this for a living decide to do that? Remember MOST of the R&D budget is in NEW FRAME/CHASSIS design. It the trickiest, and hardest thing to get right.
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kevin204 9/29/2011 2:56pm
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It doesn't matter anyways, nobody is going to race a 2 stroke. Get over it.
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hopefully someone shows up on a tm 400
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BIGHEAD1 9/29/2011 3:01pm
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kevin204 wrote:
It doesn't matter anyways, nobody is going to race a 2 stroke. Get over it.
x a fucking million
miedosoracing1 9/29/2011 3:02pm
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BIGHEAD1 wrote:
I know this won't do a thing for your ignorant close minded bullshit... No one would race a 300cc two stroke...because they would get slaughtered just...
I know this won't do a thing for your ignorant close minded bullshit...

No one would race a 300cc two stroke...because they would get slaughtered just like a a 400-500cc 2 stroke would. Why because they are undeveloped. Service Honda's are great bikes for normal riders,, but the frame flex that was designed around a four stroke engine being in there..makes it unridable at that level. Chris Blose tried riding one at Mammoth and it was all over the place.. When factories are making motor mounts 1mm thinner and riders are noticing a difference, putting in a 2-stroke engine in replace of the the engine it came with, which by itself is designed as an integral piece of the frame is moronic. So at the very least you are stuck with boring out a 250cc that is 6 years old in design... or a ktm. To what? 280? ....why the fuck would any pro who is doing this for a living decide to do that? Remember MOST of the R&D budget is in NEW FRAME/CHASSIS design. It the trickiest, and hardest thing to get right.
KTM 300 is an actual bike???? 2012 frames are the same as 4 stroke frames. So have no idea WTF you are talking about.
You think a 350F will beat a 300cc 2 stroke?
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i still think the 250sx makes identical power to the 350F. 50 to 50. not to mention weighs 15 lbs less.
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GuyB 9/29/2011 3:11pm
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miedosoracing1 wrote:
Sounds like it is an Any cc 2 or 4, but "we" won't tell anyone, so that way, no one will race a big bore 2...
Sounds like it is an Any cc 2 or 4, but "we" won't tell anyone, so that way, no one will race a big bore 2 stroke and beat the chokes. Official PR says 125 and 250 2 stroke, but the "in group" says it's open. Funny how that worked in the military, let's try it at the cup race. "don't ask, don't tell."
I just checked. There is no max. Put the torches and pitchforks away.

Also, I'd guess that anyone who had any intent to bring one has already done the same thing I did.
miedosoracing1 9/29/2011 3:20pm
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miedosoracing1 wrote:
Sounds like it is an Any cc 2 or 4, but "we" won't tell anyone, so that way, no one will race a big bore 2...
Sounds like it is an Any cc 2 or 4, but "we" won't tell anyone, so that way, no one will race a big bore 2 stroke and beat the chokes. Official PR says 125 and 250 2 stroke, but the "in group" says it's open. Funny how that worked in the military, let's try it at the cup race. "don't ask, don't tell."
GuyB wrote:
I just checked. There is no max. Put the torches and pitchforks away. Also, I'd guess that anyone who had any intent to bring one has...
I just checked. There is no max. Put the torches and pitchforks away.

Also, I'd guess that anyone who had any intent to bring one has already done the same thing I did.
I doubt anyone who saw a 125cc or 250cc rule on a PR given too them, would even ask.

Thanks for checking though. Wish we would have had this conversation earlier.

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GuyB 9/29/2011 3:43pm
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The only technical rules are sound and fuel. Obviously anything to do with safety will be enforced, but no limit on displacement or really anything else. In- helmet communication, traction control, etc? It's all fair game.
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burn1986 9/29/2011 3:52pm
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For what it worth, I received an email from Lisa Kurowski of Feld Motorsports confirming that there are no displacement limits, but there are fuel limits.

Okay, lesson learned - Check before posting; and don't listen to bullsh-t from 500guy.
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GuyB,

Please put a stop to this 2 stroke nonsense. Not that anyone cares, but I am at my wits end with this crap. There has to be a solution or people are going to stop coming to the site.
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ML512 9/29/2011 4:08pm
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ML512 wrote:
Still doesn't matter...
burn1986 wrote:
Wouldn't matter if you actually weren't retarded.
U have the Attention span of a nat Wink
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Agent717 wrote:
GuyB, Please put a stop to this 2 stroke nonsense. Not that anyone cares, but I am at my wits end with this crap. There has...
GuyB,

Please put a stop to this 2 stroke nonsense. Not that anyone cares, but I am at my wits end with this crap. There has to be a solution or people are going to stop coming to the site.
Why is is this thumpertalk?
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Agent717 wrote:
GuyB, Please put a stop to this 2 stroke nonsense. Not that anyone cares, but I am at my wits end with this crap. There has...
GuyB,

Please put a stop to this 2 stroke nonsense. Not that anyone cares, but I am at my wits end with this crap. There has to be a solution or people are going to stop coming to the site.
The solution is very simple. STOP CLICKING ON THREADS ABOUT THEM.

Now, STFU!
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Agent717 wrote:
GuyB, Please put a stop to this 2 stroke nonsense. Not that anyone cares, but I am at my wits end with this crap. There has...
GuyB,

Please put a stop to this 2 stroke nonsense. Not that anyone cares, but I am at my wits end with this crap. There has to be a solution or people are going to stop coming to the site.
72kiteboarder wrote:
The solution is very simple. STOP CLICKING ON THREADS ABOUT THEM.

Now, STFU!
That's like saying don't go to the track if you don't like slow riders. By that logic, If you don't like 4-strokes then stay the fuck off Vital. This is all we've got and the appeal of this entire forum is dwindling due to the abundance of retarded 2-stroking going on. Seriously needs it's own forum. I used to come here for relevant info and entertainment. Speaking honestly the last 6 months has really gone downhill.
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chump6784 9/29/2011 5:09pm
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Ktm make a 300 kit for their 250 sx. There's a developed big bore 2 stroke right there. TM also make a 300, let's see some smokers out there. And for those who don't like 2 stroke threads, don't click on them. Go check your valves instead
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Agent717 wrote:
GuyB, Please put a stop to this 2 stroke nonsense. Not that anyone cares, but I am at my wits end with this crap. There has...
GuyB,

Please put a stop to this 2 stroke nonsense. Not that anyone cares, but I am at my wits end with this crap. There has to be a solution or people are going to stop coming to the site.
72kiteboarder wrote:
The solution is very simple. STOP CLICKING ON THREADS ABOUT THEM.

Now, STFU!
Agent717 wrote:
That's like saying don't go to the track if you don't like slow riders. By that logic, If you don't like 4-strokes then stay the fuck...
That's like saying don't go to the track if you don't like slow riders. By that logic, If you don't like 4-strokes then stay the fuck off Vital. This is all we've got and the appeal of this entire forum is dwindling due to the abundance of retarded 2-stroking going on. Seriously needs it's own forum. I used to come here for relevant info and entertainment. Speaking honestly the last 6 months has really gone downhill.
Yeah, the entire forum is filled with two stroke threads. And FYI,




If the Downhill slide is too fast for you then GTFO and quit yer bitching.
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72kiteboarder wrote:
Yeah, the entire forum is filled with two stroke threads. And FYI, [IMG]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/72kiteboarder/IMG_0372.jpg[/IMG] If the Downhill slide is too fast for you then GTFO and quit...
Yeah, the entire forum is filled with two stroke threads. And FYI,




If the Downhill slide is too fast for you then GTFO and quit yer bitching.
That bike's F'ed up, the pipe should be bigger and the silencer much smaller. Smile
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fader418 9/29/2011 5:21pm
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I dont see what the big deal would be? What is the max for the 450 class in sx? 250!

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