In Episode 3, Ping speaks on the topics of Ryno's opinion of Marvin Musquin winning without a neck brace, track obstacles being too easy for rider's, and withstanding politics in the industry.
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DocDeuce
5/5/2021 7:07 AM
usp4u
5/4/2021 1:08 PM
nlitworld
5/4/2021 6:51 AM
garagedog
4/30/2021 3:22 PM
-MAVERICK-
4/30/2021 2:38 PM
Marvin has won plenty of races and titles with a neck brace.
Just sayin'.
peltier626
4/30/2021 2:20 PM
dpingree101
4/30/2021 3:52 PM
rg807
4/30/2021 10:30 AM
dpingree101
4/30/2021 11:01 AM
rg807
4/30/2021 12:46 PM
dpingree101
4/30/2021 3:51 PM
Because companies would
Never sell something for profit that doesn’t work, right? You’re obviously not an economics major. I’m not poo-poo’ing anybody’s products, just saying that the doctors whose word you take as gospel have never ridden at a pro level and there are certain things that can only be felt, not worked out in a chart or theoretical graph.
Use whatever brace you want, or don’t, I don’t really care. But if you can support one opinion, I can certainly support a different one.
rg807
4/30/2021 4:29 PM
Hilarious. Actually, I have a BA in Economics! If you read my comment, I didn't say the companies' products were perfect or that they're "correct in their safety claims? No." What I did say, which is generally true, is that they employ engineers and physics experts who then do loads of testing because, a, they want their product to work so people will buy more of them and b, so they don't get sued, particularly as a safety product. The fact that someone is a pro just means, generally, that the loads are potentially higher.
I'll further add that as sports science goes, we're still learning, in all sports. Training even as recent as the 80's, in most sports, was pretty primitive. The same goes for protective gear.
Zooki
5/1/2021 5:46 AM
Obviously Ping doesn't have a major in... anything. He's proven time and again that he only has a superficial understanding of anything that isn't riding a dirt bike or firefighting. His lack of depth with non-moto topics makes it easy for him to accept conspiracies and make irrational statements like 'there are certain things that can only be felt, not worked out in a chart or theoretical graph' when referencing safety equipment.
Ping is lowering the average IQ of this place by several points. Can we bring back Michael Lindsay?
rg807
5/1/2021 8:40 AM
Zooki- I'm going to defend Ping here. Yes, he didn't go to college, but college is turning out a lot of idiots right now. Ping's comments miss the mark in a few areas but I appreciate his perspective and nuanced response and I don't think his experience can be completely discounted.
As I said previously, sports science, while much further along then it was 30 years ago, is still fairly primative. The larger issue, from my perspective as it relates to MX, is the lack of real science about safety equipment and the seemingly lackadaisical attitude about the injuries that are incurred ad nauseam. Should more safety equipment be mandated? Yes, it should. The there be actual science behind the equipment? Will this keep riders from getting injured? No, but maybe it will lessen the severity of the injuries and prevent some. That would be a step in the right direction as, obviously, it's going to be impossible get anywhere close to making this a "safe" sport.
dpingree101
5/1/2021 10:01 AM
Zooki- Youre a special one. what I was referring to is how neck braces almost made me crash... twice. By keeping my head forward instead of allowing me to get my butt back and look upwards with my head (where the eyes/head goes, the body follows) I was almost thrown over the bars on kicker jumps/bumps. There is no scientific graph that accounts for that. And I’m not wearing a product that is going to cause me to crash, even if there is a chance that it could possibly limit injury in certain situations.
It’s folks like you who take every “scientist” at their word who dumb down our society. 60 years ago, those medical experts told pregnant women that smoking was good for them. They said asbestos was fine and pesticides wouldn’t hurt you. They were 100% wrong and they likely knew it... but there was money to be made so they didn’t care.
You place so much emphasis on college education, not realizing you were just taught how to think, losing the ability to think critically, which should be the point of higher education. I got my “degree” traveling the world, running my own business, managing a race team, working as a journalist and now working as a professional paramedic and firefighter. Keep throwing shade... only makes you look soft.
kyle killebrew
5/3/2021 7:53 AM
dpingree101
4/30/2021 4:51 PM
I don't agree that you can take a limp dummy with zero muscle tone and produce results that mimic an actual human, particularly when each crash is different and infinitely dynamic. You can measure impact force, think crash test dummies in autos, but there is some massive grey area when presuming how a rider will move when crashing on a dirt bike.
Totally agree that our sport is in its infancy in terms of training/safety/etc. Here's the reason I don't wear one, and I've tried almost every brand. Two different times, on two different days, a neck brace almost made me crash in a situation where I normally wouldn't have. In both situations I hit an abrupt bump or jump face and needed to get way back on the bike, pushing my butt back, extending my arms fully and keeping my head up to continue to see. In both cases, the brace prevented my head from coming back, which limited my ability to distribute weight rearward [where the head goes and looks, the body follows], and I almost got thrown over the bars. Each instance was relatively minor, meaning it wasn't a severe enough kick for me to think I needed to worry about it. But with the limitation of the neck brace it turned into a terrifying incident. After it happened once, I thought it was just a fluke... once it happened again, I never wore one again.
Knee braces are a different animal, but the same concept applies: Your body can't move the way it should and those limitations have consequences on your riding and your safety. Different argument for another time.
Appreciate the discussion. Cheers.
rg807
4/30/2021 5:15 PM