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This organization monitors AMA SX and AMA MX, right?
WADA Antidoping Agency Lost Track of Open Cases and Test Results Before Olympics
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People who believe all sports are clean are idiots anyway. Why are our tax dollars funding these pee fiends in the first place?
I could be mistaken but I don't think WADA has been involved in AMA SX&MX for several years now.
WADA left with the FIM it's now USADA .
Correct...but unfortunately here just long enough to screw up several different rider's careers.
The Shop
Thanks for the clarification (USADA)
It's always an agenda, or a shell game with anti "doping" anyways. The list of banned substances is so vast I'm surprised red meat and eggs isn't on it.
If anyone wants to learn more about the anti doping agencies, start by watching the film Icarus.
I dont think sx or outdoors use USADA any longer
I know they used to who's doing the testing now?
https://www.thevegasshoot.com/post/lonnie-jacob-marlow-receives-two-year-sanction-following-anti-doping-violation
another example of how dumb some of these drug tests are..
Aegis Sciences Corporation
They shouldn’t have cheated.
Maybe you have a short memory on the horrendous handling of cases by WADA or maybe you're just ok with an organization mishandling and delaying cases to the point that racers are no longer able to race? Rather than rehash the poor communication and prolonged judgment decisions involved with a number of cases I'll just leave a link here.
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/WADA-declared-unfit-for-purpose-by-17-anti-doping-agencies,1348892
Which riders were cheating using actual PEDs?
LOL @ the summer intern who corrupted the Excel spreadsheet
True, but the accused have rights and WADA ignored the US-based cases and let the riders twist for several months. They had no business being involved in a US series, a byproduct of the ". . . an FIM World Championship" suffix.
Stewart, Clason and Tickle
I agree with you other than the part where you agree that riders intentionally cheated. From everything I've read, often the "cheating" would be better described as riders who weren't hyper vigilant about ingesting something that had an ingredient that was on the long list of substances that would result in a positive test. To then be stonewalled for extended periods of time when it came to any kind of communication on the infraction was ridiculous.
Pit Row
Translation = WADA received a large check $$ from several countries to "lose track" of the samples. You cant be this negligent or stupid without being paid a large sum.
^ Never underestimate the stupidity of people. It's entirely possible to be negligent or stupid without ever getting paid for it. (But of course it never hurts when there's some greasing of the wheels.)
How many people think WADA will just suspend everyone until they figure out which athletes are really under scrutiny? It should only take about four years.
Beat me to it. All because of some contaminated Pre workout....
As posted by another above with archery being an example, the ability of WADA to ruin a career for a substance that sometimes is found in the measurement of PPB (Parts Per BILLIONTH) all because we can't always get perfectly clean supplements or even food here in the US is ridiculous.
If you want to hear some details about how it upended a prominent archer's career and some other wild instances of failures by WADA in archery (I know it's not moto but its relevant to the topic) give this a listen: GP & Paige talk Marlow drug test failure - Bowjunky Media Podcast | Podcast on Spotify
I've been doing bath salts ever since I saw Deegan do them on the starting line. I sure hope they don't ban these things any time soon.
Wasn’t like he Bob Eyler’d his way into the shoot offs either haha
I feel like after the shoot off he had to have been like, “Drug test? Oh shit!”
He should have just put one in the 9 first end 😂We should have known as soon as he came out with a bottle of Mountain Dew too! A 900 while high is still impressive
Stewarts issue was a paperwork issue and not filing and following up to make sure the proper forms were filed. I don't know the specifics on Clason, but Tickle's PED was a super low level of something that in many peoples opinion would not have really benefited a MX racer and I believe was tracked back to some sort of pre workout bar that just about anybody could buy.
Allergy meds, and tons of stuff that people consume everyday without realizing it were on the banned substance list. I think that the person was asking out of the riders that were penalized, who was really using something that could be thought of as a true PED. Nobody was really caught using something that would have given them any advantage. Stewart and his meds that he had been on long term were really the closest thing to what most people would think of as a PED.
But if not for a mistake filing his TUE he would have been fine. If somebody is able to be exempt and allowed to use and otherwise banned substance, it feels like a loophole and I have trouble saying that James was really cheating.
All they really did was screw up three racers lives and help show every racer out there that Adderall would help them race, and they could take it legally if they went through the proper channels. So instead of making the sport cleaner, it just showed people how to get around the rules and use substances legally. If its not legal, it shouldn't be legal. Nobody can get a Dr.s note that allows them to ride a works bike or other advantage. And the rider is the biggest part of the package. A TUE can be like legal big bores or works bikes. That was the big lesson I learned from what happened to James.
A TUE isn’t always cut and dry either though I don’t think. It’s not just a matter of being prescribed and turning in the paperwork. I believe you have to have the doctor sign off on why is needed as well and they can be denied. They talk about it some in that podcast I linked. I need to go back through it and listen to the exact process again.
The FIM told Davey and Feld to do the WADA and they said “Yes Boss.” No one who matters cares about what happens with them.
I know its not as simple as just getting a prescription. But its also not a lot more than just getting the right Dr's to sign some forms and file paperwork. The point being that it is not acting in the spirit of the rule to have the exemptions and then penalize somebody to the level they did. In this case the strong penalty did the opposite of what they intended it to do.
Never mind the impact it may have had on local and Am racing . With a local racer it would be as simple as getting Your hands on the substance. No testing is done at local races that I know of. Maybe if somebody looks like they are intoxicated they may be tested or not allowed to race. By putting all of that attention on James and the med he clearly had a legit medical need for made it appear like it could be a big advantage. So who knows how many local racers started to take it while riding. Isn't that the opposite of what they intended the rule to do?
I understand that there should be clear ways for somebody who needs a med to be able to take it and compete. But I feel like they could do the exemption or penalty differently. In a case like Stewarts it makes no sense to have the penalty the same as if somebody got busted for taking something and hiding it. Some sort of shorter term penalty would have been more appropriate. And the way they dealt with it just went against the spirit of the rules. James thought he was doing everything the way he was supposed to do it. And from what I remember he had been prescribed the med for years. Being diagnosed around the time that most people are in their lives. I know that its also not that simple either since stuff can be missed and not diagnosed properly for years. Just overall the way they dealt with most of the penalty's they handed out was not acting in the spirit of the rule.
I'm sure if the process was super simple James would not have had a problem.
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