USA mxDn winning ticket......

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Boomslang wrote:

France and Nederlands will be the teams to beat. 

rbot wrote:
The US has there work cut out for them.  I'm Team Netherlands, maybe Herlings, kay de walof and Coldenhoff?? No clue though.  After seeing Herlings getting...

The US has there work cut out for them. 

I'm Team Netherlands, maybe Herlings, kay de walof and Coldenhoff?? No clue though. 

After seeing Herlings getting back up to speed at the MXGP race this weekend. It looks like he's going to be at full speed come Des Nations time. Everybody should be thinking about that. The #84 might just be in position to be the FMOP (fastest man on the planet) again. 

I kid,.. but he is going to be cooking come Des nations time. The US has their work cut out for them

Coldenhoff also won at mxdn twice I believe right? For whatever reason hes a beast at that race. With herlings back up to speed, dewolf, and coldenhoff that could be a damn good team. 

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DeStouwer wrote:
Ideal would be Sexton-Deegan-Cooper, but with the issues the past years I expect no Yamaha or Kawasaki riders. So my guess would be Sexton-Savatgy-Plessinger (with the...

Ideal would be Sexton-Deegan-Cooper, but with the issues the past years I expect no Yamaha or Kawasaki riders. So my guess would be Sexton-Savatgy-Plessinger (with the GP Triumph-team doing very well, Savatgy could use one of those bikes).

Netherlands will most likely be Herlings-De Wolf-Vlaanderen. Belgium Geerts-L. Coenen-Everts. France Febvre-Vialle-Renaux. Spain Prado-Oliver-Fernández. Italy Guadagnini-Adamo-Forato. Should get interesting.

 

rbot wrote:

I thought Vlaanderen was South African. 

Whoops, nevermind.

He has dual citizenship. South African/Netherlands. 

 

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Boomslang wrote:

France and Nederlands will be the teams to beat. 

rbot wrote:
The US has there work cut out for them.  I'm Team Netherlands, maybe Herlings, kay de walof and Coldenhoff?? No clue though.  After seeing Herlings getting...

The US has there work cut out for them. 

I'm Team Netherlands, maybe Herlings, kay de walof and Coldenhoff?? No clue though. 

After seeing Herlings getting back up to speed at the MXGP race this weekend. It looks like he's going to be at full speed come Des Nations time. Everybody should be thinking about that. The #84 might just be in position to be the FMOP (fastest man on the planet) again. 

I kid,.. but he is going to be cooking come Des nations time. The US has their work cut out for them

Pop Shmoke wrote:
Coldenhoff also won at mxdn twice I believe right? For whatever reason hes a beast at that race. With herlings back up to speed, dewolf, and...

Coldenhoff also won at mxdn twice I believe right? For whatever reason hes a beast at that race. With herlings back up to speed, dewolf, and coldenhoff that could be a damn good team. 

Vlaanderen was on the wining Netherlands team in 19. 

It will interesting to see who they choose. Him or Coldenhoff. 

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TAUTOG wrote:

I'd take Cooper over AP mostly because of his starts but also he has a better history at the MXON

I was going to say this exact same thing.  For patriotic reasons, I would LOVE to have AP there.  However, when they were picking the team for MXoN at Redbud a couple years ago, there was huge doubts over sending Justin Cooper, that was almost unanimous, but Justin stepped up huge in that race, his 2nd race 4th OA may have been what brought home the win for Team USA that day, and also "won" the 250 class.  He definitely proved that he can rise to the occasion, get good starts, and keep it off the ground.  Consistency and speed counts so much at that event, and he can do it.

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I'd take Cooper over AP mostly because of his starts but also he has a better history at the MXON

I was going to say this exact same thing.  For patriotic reasons, I would LOVE to have AP there.  However, when they were picking the team...

I was going to say this exact same thing.  For patriotic reasons, I would LOVE to have AP there.  However, when they were picking the team for MXoN at Redbud a couple years ago, there was huge doubts over sending Justin Cooper, that was almost unanimous, but Justin stepped up huge in that race, his 2nd race 4th OA may have been what brought home the win for Team USA that day, and also "won" the 250 class.  He definitely proved that he can rise to the occasion, get good starts, and keep it off the ground.  Consistency and speed counts so much at that event, and he can do it.

Yea I have to agree with this. Cooper is a beast at starts and I think it matters even more at the nations than any other race. 

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With it being in the UK in October, there is a pretty good chance of it being a mudder.

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7/10/2024 8:37am

If things really got desperate…. Sexton Deegan Hymas would be a great team. 
 

 

also let’s not forgot Christian craig on a 250. He’s a good guy. He really deserves it. 

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Couldn’t pick a worse team than we did last year

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7/10/2024 8:48am Edited Date/Time 7/10/2024 8:48am

Sexton - Deegan - JCoop

Cooper will start so much better than Plessinger at that event...  Can't give up that top 3 start.

And Deegan has the potential to pull off a top 5 moto finish with a good start like Cooper did in 2022 on the 250.

4 teams in it for the win if they send their top teams, FRA - NED - AUS and USA.

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98% chance it will be a murder.  Sexton, deegan, AP.  (Tomac) If he comes back and instantly close to AP/Cooper. 

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Let's leave Plessinger out of the DesNations discussions, he has had his shots and failed. Probably a mud race, Sexton, Masterpool, Deegan.

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I like AP but he is NOT good at MXDNs...

This and only this. His 2018 performance is arguably the worst ever for a top level American rider and last year he had one good moto followed by one horrible moto. 
 

No way in hell should he go. 

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DeStouwer wrote:
Ideal would be Sexton-Deegan-Cooper, but with the issues the past years I expect no Yamaha or Kawasaki riders. So my guess would be Sexton-Savatgy-Plessinger (with the...

Ideal would be Sexton-Deegan-Cooper, but with the issues the past years I expect no Yamaha or Kawasaki riders. So my guess would be Sexton-Savatgy-Plessinger (with the GP Triumph-team doing very well, Savatgy could use one of those bikes).

Netherlands will most likely be Herlings-De Wolf-Vlaanderen. Belgium Geerts-L. Coenen-Everts. France Febvre-Vialle-Renaux. Spain Prado-Oliver-Fernández. Italy Guadagnini-Adamo-Forato. Should get interesting.

 

rbot wrote:

I thought Vlaanderen was South African. 

rbot wrote:

Whoops, nevermind.

He has dual citizenship. South African/Netherlands. 

 

During the GP’s Malin is always like the South African Vlaanderen and at this one race he is Dutch. The South African federation did something that pissed him off so he jumped ship. 

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rbot wrote:

I thought Vlaanderen was South African. 

rbot wrote:

Whoops, nevermind.

He has dual citizenship. South African/Netherlands. 

 

Park Boys wrote:
During the GP’s Malin is always like the South African Vlaanderen and at this one race he is Dutch. The South African federation did something that...

During the GP’s Malin is always like the South African Vlaanderen and at this one race he is Dutch. The South African federation did something that pissed him off so he jumped ship. 

Thanks man. His chance for a good result looks to be better with The Dutch. 

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7/10/2024 12:48pm Edited Date/Time 7/10/2024 12:50pm
DeStouwer wrote:
Ideal would be Sexton-Deegan-Cooper, but with the issues the past years I expect no Yamaha or Kawasaki riders. So my guess would be Sexton-Savatgy-Plessinger (with the...

Ideal would be Sexton-Deegan-Cooper, but with the issues the past years I expect no Yamaha or Kawasaki riders. So my guess would be Sexton-Savatgy-Plessinger (with the GP Triumph-team doing very well, Savatgy could use one of those bikes).

Netherlands will most likely be Herlings-De Wolf-Vlaanderen. Belgium Geerts-L. Coenen-Everts. France Febvre-Vialle-Renaux. Spain Prado-Oliver-Fernández. Italy Guadagnini-Adamo-Forato. Should get interesting.

 

Isn’t Swoll performing better than Savatgy? Chase Hymas is seems to be getting stronger too. 

DeStouwer wrote:
Yeah, currently, but I was just putting some names in. I was wondering which teams would let their riders come over or not. Yamaha and Kawasaki...

Yeah, currently, but I was just putting some names in. I was wondering which teams would let their riders come over or not. Yamaha and Kawasaki seem no goes in analogy with previous editions. Honda is doubtful, the last time they sent a rider to Europe was Seely in 2017, the last time before that was Tomac in 2014. So I guess the riders will come from the KTM/Husqvarna/GasGas teams, or maybe a Triumph rider because they're doing well in GP's. But if both McLellan and Haarup get selected (McLellan already is), I doubt if they will have a spare bike for either Swoll or Savatgy.

American Honda sent two riders to Ernee last year, and they're likely to be sending at least three riders this year.

Star Yamaha has already said they're in.

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7/10/2024 1:00pm Edited Date/Time 7/10/2024 1:08pm

Current form, my "Quadrella"

Australia

Netherlands

France

USA

So "current form" who is your team for France? Ferrandis, Paturel and Vialle? If Phoenix Honda can't send Ferrandis then who, Desprey or Aranda?

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Current form, my "Quadrella"

Australia

Netherlands

France

USA

GrapeApe wrote:

So "current form" who is your team for France? Ferrandis, Paturel and Vialle? If Phoenix Honda can't send Ferrandis then who, Desprey or Aranda?

I read his post as "my beloved Aussie brethren and then anybody else other than USA" 

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DonM wrote:

I read his post as "my beloved Aussie brethren and then anybody else other than USA" 

Same

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Current form, my "Quadrella"

Australia

Netherlands

France

USA

GrapeApe wrote:

So "current form" who is your team for France? Ferrandis, Paturel and Vialle? If Phoenix Honda can't send Ferrandis then who, Desprey or Aranda?

DonM wrote:

I read his post as "my beloved Aussie brethren and then anybody else other than USA" 

Yeah I was ignoring his bias and just focusing on the teams. I don't see France on the podium unless both Febvre and Renaux return from injury and get back up to form. They seem to lack the depth of talent they've had for the past decade or so.

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7/10/2024 1:54pm Edited Date/Time 7/10/2024 1:56pm
GrapeApe wrote:

So "current form" who is your team for France? Ferrandis, Paturel and Vialle? If Phoenix Honda can't send Ferrandis then who, Desprey or Aranda?

DonM wrote:

I read his post as "my beloved Aussie brethren and then anybody else other than USA" 

GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah I was ignoring his bias and just focusing on the teams. I don't see France on the podium unless both Febvre and Renaux return from...

Yeah I was ignoring his bias and just focusing on the teams. I don't see France on the podium unless both Febvre and Renaux return from injury and get back up to form. They seem to lack the depth of talent they've had for the past decade or so.

I ranked France 2nd after the Netherlands, but yep that’s dependent on both Febvre and Renaux being back to 100%

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Current form, my "Quadrella"

Australia

Netherlands

France

USA

GrapeApe wrote:

So "current form" who is your team for France? Ferrandis, Paturel and Vialle? If Phoenix Honda can't send Ferrandis then who, Desprey or Aranda?

I know you didn't ask me, but I think it's a really open ended question...  Since it's hard to get recovery updates on these athletes.  I would think Febvre would be back.  And what is Renaux's status?  Without at least one of them, the team is not a podium team. 

I have it penciled in as Febvre - Ferrandis - Vialle.  No idea if that can happen...

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USA Should definitely send Sexton and Deegan. It's a big question mark for the third Imo. You either send J Coop who has proven he can perform at this event every time but then if Tomac is healthy and 100% by that time it makes it a really difficult choice. 

Honestly though, regardless of who is sent it is looking like Netherlands will come out on top. Herlings is just getting faster and faster, Vlaanderen is also really picking up the pace, then you have De Wolf who is right now either the fastest 250 rider or at a minimum top 3 in the world. 

Also don't forget it's at Matterly Basin so GB can always get a podium there. Anstie has gone 1-1 before and with more time on the star 250 he will only get better throughout the year. Mewse although he hasn't performed well in MXGP this is in the UK so he will likely be able to bring the speed. It will just come down to who the third rider is. 

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People are also sleeping on Belgium. When Geerts was healthy and only just moved up to a 450, he was very quick at Redbud and surprised a lot of people. So, if he can get back to 100% by this race then he could really do some damage. Then you can either send both Coenen Brothers or Everts. They could get a podium. 

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7/10/2024 5:32pm Edited Date/Time 7/10/2024 5:32pm
JnDubZ wrote:
USA Should definitely send Sexton and Deegan. It's a big question mark for the third Imo. You either send J Coop who has proven he can...

USA Should definitely send Sexton and Deegan. It's a big question mark for the third Imo. You either send J Coop who has proven he can perform at this event every time but then if Tomac is healthy and 100% by that time it makes it a really difficult choice. 

Honestly though, regardless of who is sent it is looking like Netherlands will come out on top. Herlings is just getting faster and faster, Vlaanderen is also really picking up the pace, then you have De Wolf who is right now either the fastest 250 rider or at a minimum top 3 in the world. 

Also don't forget it's at Matterly Basin so GB can always get a podium there. Anstie has gone 1-1 before and with more time on the star 250 he will only get better throughout the year. Mewse although he hasn't performed well in MXGP this is in the UK so he will likely be able to bring the speed. It will just come down to who the third rider is. 

My money would be fairly evenly split between the US, AUS and NLD if they all send their best.  France could be up there too if their riders are healthy.  Webster is the weakest link on any of these teams IMO, so that would knock AUS down just a notch for me.  And as a biased American I would rather have Deegan and Cooper over Kay and Calvin so I like the US over NLD assuming Sexton and Herlings are fairly equal.  If Belgium sends the Coenens and Everts they could be a sneaky top 5, or have like 8 crashes between the 6 motos and end up 15th 

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JnDubZ wrote:
USA Should definitely send Sexton and Deegan. It's a big question mark for the third Imo. You either send J Coop who has proven he can...

USA Should definitely send Sexton and Deegan. It's a big question mark for the third Imo. You either send J Coop who has proven he can perform at this event every time but then if Tomac is healthy and 100% by that time it makes it a really difficult choice. 

Honestly though, regardless of who is sent it is looking like Netherlands will come out on top. Herlings is just getting faster and faster, Vlaanderen is also really picking up the pace, then you have De Wolf who is right now either the fastest 250 rider or at a minimum top 3 in the world. 

Also don't forget it's at Matterly Basin so GB can always get a podium there. Anstie has gone 1-1 before and with more time on the star 250 he will only get better throughout the year. Mewse although he hasn't performed well in MXGP this is in the UK so he will likely be able to bring the speed. It will just come down to who the third rider is. 

NorCal1975 wrote:
My money would be fairly evenly split between the US, AUS and NLD if they all send their best.  France could be up there too if...

My money would be fairly evenly split between the US, AUS and NLD if they all send their best.  France could be up there too if their riders are healthy.  Webster is the weakest link on any of these teams IMO, so that would knock AUS down just a notch for me.  And as a biased American I would rather have Deegan and Cooper over Kay and Calvin so I like the US over NLD assuming Sexton and Herlings are fairly equal.  If Belgium sends the Coenens and Everts they could be a sneaky top 5, or have like 8 crashes between the 6 motos and end up 15th 

The only reason I say Netherlands is the favourite is because none of the Americans that can be sent have ever ridden at Matterly. Also, your bias is clouding your judgment. Vlaanderen is definitely faster than J Coop, yes J Coop can get very good starts and doesn't crash but Vlaanderen is top 4 in MXGP and close to the speed of Herlings/Gaser/Prado. I do agree about Webster, but he also could surprise all of us a lot. If he manages two top 10 finishes, then I believe AUS will win. France even with healthy riders I just don't see being on the podium. That is quite funny about Belgium because yeah its either they surprise and possible podium or crash every race and don't even make top 10. 

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Sexton deegs and tomac if he’s healthy and looking good or jcoop. Netherlands is gonna be the favorite this year with herlings de wolf and vlaanderen. France is gonna struggle unless febvre is back, vialle has a hat that fits in with the FFM guidelines and ferrandis can pick up some speed. The Belgian team could be 3rd or last. Italy is going to be very sneaky with guadignini or Forato, bonacorsi and Adamo. Australia is gonna struggle with the third guy. Hard to win with a guy that might get a top 15.

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7/10/2024 7:09pm Edited Date/Time 7/10/2024 7:12pm

I like AP but he is NOT good at MXDNs...

Park Boys wrote:
This and only this. His 2018 performance is arguably the worst ever for a top level American rider and last year he had one good moto...

This and only this. His 2018 performance is arguably the worst ever for a top level American rider and last year he had one good moto followed by one horrible moto. 
 

No way in hell should he go. 

Bingo, I'll never forget him showing up in 2018 dressed like a trailer park Captain America only to ride like complete dogshit and cost us any chance of victory

AP can keep his skullet and fake country accent at home, give me Tomac or JCoop over him all day. 

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So, these assumptions are based on Herlings staying healthy all the way through MXdN?

And that's 3 months away?

Ooookaaayyyy...Whistling

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MXdN is going to be awesome this year!

I hope Tomac is good to go.  Tomac, Sexton, Deegan will be hard to beat.

I'm looking forward to epic battles!

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