Stark Varg battery life….where da haterz at?

When I was 15 I wanted to ride all day, not for an hour.

I have not seen this video. To me it would be more impressive that the bike could take a pounding by a national level rider for an hour plus.

Any chance there was some creative editing going on?

The bike was on for 1 hour 16 minutes...

The video doesn't show him riding continuously for 1 hour 16 minutes, or how much throttle he was using.

Performance is still impressive.

Not hating, but yesterday I rode Stark Varg sand track (Lavanko, where they had Finnish MXGP few weeks back) and drained the battery in 30 min. Today I rode our own backyard ”supercross” track and after 1 hour, it still had some battery left. I’m slow 47 years old vet rider. I think it really depends where you ride it, not who is riding.

I'm a Hill fan and a Stark fan, but I wouldn't use the video to brag about the battery life. A hard pack jump course isn't exactly the conditions most people would be dealing with.

My hands are up.

Electric bikes are interesting (to me) as a novelty.  I am not one of the haters.

It doesn't take an engineering degree to know that electric motors can be made that offer better performance than gasoline engines or that batteries are still the biggest engineering problem for EV systems.

It's not difficult to attach a power meter and a data-logger to an electric motor.
Put a fast rider on a tough motocross track and collect data until the battery is depleted.

I'll wait for real data.
 

Put your Stark Topics in the E-bikes section of the forum already...that's why it exists.

You clicked on the thread lol

You mean the topic that explodes to 20-pagers one after the other? Sure, that belongs in a sub-forum…

eMX is here to stay. Suck it up!

Just odd that all these influencers put their name on the buy list prior to anyone else 

Can we get a sub-forum for you bat shit crazy conspiracy theories?

Everybody should look up Hill's results. He was running just outside the top 10 in Mains with everybody there, and top 10's towards the end. 19th OA at Washougal might not be the best results, But that means there were pretty much only 18 people faster than him in the US, on that day.  I would say he is a high level rider.  

 If there are 200 being made per month , There has to be a bunch out there.

Maybe we can have a "whiney little bitch" sub forum and then you and a few others can have it all to yourselves.

It was a sweet video. He wasn’t hammering it like you would on a track. Yeah I know he’s fast, but he’s doing some casual free riding. Unfortunately for me, an hour’(ish) of battery life wouldn’t work.
 

It’s promising that battery tech is going to get better. As soon as it can do 5-6hrs in the hills, I’ll be buying one. 

Well that was uncalled for. You sound like a bigger one than me.

Right? Isn't that just a HUGE coincidence...

Yeah, to tell you where to go BRO.

This is the best post of the day! Thank you. 

This crap gets posted in the main forum because the electrics forum is a ghost town and the electric fan-bois know it.

Like this needed a whole other thread.

Runtime will always vary depending on conditions, rider, riding style, etc. just like the range people get on a gas bike.  I bet that Jett Lawrence gets better MPG's than a rider like Barcia who revs like crazy. So even faster riders with differing styles will also have varied runtime.  Stark has listed best case numbers. I would assume they came up with those numbers using data and testing.   A worst case range is not really going to tell most people what they can expect out of an Electric MX bike.  A top pro can drain a 450 tank in a 30 minute moto, and a vet rider might get an entire race day out of a tank on a 450.     

I really think that the most useful way to express the range is compare it to tank fulls on a gas bike.  That would help people  figure the range out better for their style and type of riding.       

I agree with everything in your post.

My example was meant to suggest that I want real-world data from real bikes, tracks and riders.  As electric bikes become more common and the media figures out how to test and compare them, we'll get something like that.

The tank of gas vs battery capacity would be a great comparison:

Use three to six riders across the skill-level spectrum.  Rotate them through a 250F, 450F and the electric bike.   
Have each guy do five laps, then pull in and hand off the bike to the next guy.  Each bike gets the same number of laps by each rider in the test.  Keep track of fuel level and battery charge level.  Publish all the data.
This is something any media outlet can do with their fleet of test bikes and test riders in a single day.
 

Or maybe they tried it early on, liked it, and decided they wanted one?  Is that so hard to believe?

Range is very important on an electric bike, much more important than a gas bike, comparing to tank fulls of fuel doesn't really work as the recharge time and options for extending range are completely different between the two types.

A gas bike can be recharged very quickly (under 1 minute) with a very inexpensive device called a fuel can.

An electric bike will take a lot longer to recharge , and could possibly require the purchase of a decent generator .

To extend the range of a gas bike you can get a larger tank for sensible money. ( Around $300 )

Extending the range of an electric bike would require a larger battery, which if it even exists would be several thousand dollars. (Isn't the standard stark battery $7500 ?)

If a larger battery is not available then you have no options .

No one knows or cares what the miles per gallon of a gas bike is because it's so easy to recharge/extend range, but range & recharging will always be what people want to talk about with electric bikes as it is much more important when considering if an electric bike is suitable for your needs.

For some people the range & other benefits of an e-bike may be perfect 

for others the thought of listening to a generator & looking at the time on your watch, when you would rather be riding is not appealing.

I'll make it easier, I'll probably get rid of the e-bike section.

It's moto-related. An e-bike is still moto-related, you don't get to say where stuff is and isn't on here.

It might look like only people with a social media following have gotten Varg's, but I would bet that people are just seeing the Varg's in higher numbers from people who have larger followings online. I know of a person with a Varg that has not posted anything about it. And they would benefit from posting about it.  It would increase traffic to their shop ,etc.  And with 200 a month being built, I would imagine that there are a lot of guys with them, that are just busy out riding them.

Some of the people I follow that have bigger channels than the ones I've seen Varg's show up on, ALL buy their tools/vehicles/items that they highlight in their videos.  They seek out newer items that will get views. And often pay more than retail to get those items earlier. So it would surprise me more if there were not people hoping to boost their Youtube channel with videos of a bike that made such bold claims. And really if they were after just the views, they would post something about issues if the bikes were not as good as they have said.      

Buy you are both here, commenting in a thread that you despise of in many ways. Your lack of self control is off the charts. How “core” are you guys?