Sexton to KTM confirmed?

11/30/2022 8:43am
SoCalMX70 wrote:
The problem I have is it is pure clickbait now matter how you slice it. How do you go from loaning a bike out to a...

The problem I have is it is pure clickbait now matter how you slice it. How do you go from loaning a bike out to a guy to throwing them under the bus with a half-baked story? Then to fuel further speculation with things like "I think it's HGH". Holy shit.

I think Ping is non-binary. I can speculate.

How is it clickbait if the agent all but said "yeah you were kinda right, but...."?

So now it's a bad thing Ping posted an apparent truth, because he's buddies with Roczen and let him ride his bike?

In my opinion it would be far less desirable if Ping didn't post the "truth" because Roczen was his buddy. 

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11/30/2022 8:48am
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A couple of things, obvious things. Kenny needs a new agent, I wondered when the whole Honda/Fox/Red Bull thing was imploding but it is obvious now...

A couple of things, obvious things. Kenny needs a new agent, I wondered when the whole Honda/Fox/Red Bull thing was imploding but it is obvious now this guy does not work in Kenny's interest. Or perhaps Kenny is a kook too? Secondly, it's nothing new for Ping to stir the shit in the field, nobody forces anyone to listen to him, he is an odd person with an odd upbringing. Those facts don't make his statements not newsworthy though. Cooksey, Hopper and the like don't come to this sport from a vacuum, "journalists" like that are in MX/SX because of the utter lack of transparency from anyone, fans are starved for any news. Lastly, I think Sexton's move to KTM is a bad move, from the shit 250/Am program, to the insistence on Aldon's facility's, to DeCoster(no disrespect intended) immigrating here with the Mayflower, and the plethora of problems with the new scooter, the team is currently in shambles, it doesn't seem the current management can right things the way they are done now.

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What does where DeCoster is from have anything to do with your argument? Secondly, theirs nothing wrong with the new chassis Marv did fine on it...

What does where DeCoster is from have anything to do with your argument? Secondly, theirs nothing wrong with the new chassis Marv did fine on it in SX and won RBSR on it also. 

Didn't think I meant to argue with anyone. My point is Roger is very old, it is time for new blood.

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11/30/2022 8:51am
Regis wrote:
Really?   Sounds like KTM wanted a test and Astephan and KR refused.  As reported. They refused to take one “out of competition”  refusing any is...

Really?  

Sounds like KTM wanted a test and Astephan and KR refused.  As reported. They refused to take one “out of competition” 

refusing any is a bad look. especially if it costs you a ride.

Also FYI - I am just a fan of the sport and still hope Roczen wins on the Suzuki.  

scott_nz wrote:
Are you saying ktm wanted a different test ?    the Wada test at the Melbourne wsx round is a very different set up to a...

Are you saying ktm wanted a different test ? 
 

the Wada test at the Melbourne wsx round is a very different set up to a pre employment test 

No,  I changed my post based on the confusing context.

As I read it,  KTM wanted a test.  Roczen camp refused at some point. 

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11/30/2022 8:53am
SoCalMX70 wrote:
The problem I have is it is pure clickbait now matter how you slice it. How do you go from loaning a bike out to a...

The problem I have is it is pure clickbait now matter how you slice it. How do you go from loaning a bike out to a guy to throwing them under the bus with a half-baked story? Then to fuel further speculation with things like "I think it's HGH". Holy shit.

I think Ping is non-binary. I can speculate.

How is it clickbait if the agent all but said "yeah you were kinda right, but...."? So now it's a bad thing Ping posted an apparent...

How is it clickbait if the agent all but said "yeah you were kinda right, but...."?

So now it's a bad thing Ping posted an apparent truth, because he's buddies with Roczen and let him ride his bike?

In my opinion it would be far less desirable if Ping didn't post the "truth" because Roczen was his buddy. 

Maybe I missed something... Did Ping tell the whole story, or just the half he heard?

I think getting both sides of the story then posting it as "Roczen Drug Test Controversy" would make a lot more sense. But then again, I'm not cut out for the whole social media thing.

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11/30/2022 8:53am

You can't just refuse a test from Wada otherwise nobody would ever take a test!

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11/30/2022 8:55am Edited Date/Time 11/30/2022 8:58am
Regis wrote:
Really?   Sounds like KTM wanted a test and Astephan and KR refused.  As reported. They refused to take one “out of competition”  refusing any is...

Really?  

Sounds like KTM wanted a test and Astephan and KR refused.  As reported. They refused to take one “out of competition” 

refusing any is a bad look. especially if it costs you a ride.

Also FYI - I am just a fan of the sport and still hope Roczen wins on the Suzuki.  

scott_nz wrote:
Are you saying ktm wanted a different test ?    the Wada test at the Melbourne wsx round is a very different set up to a...

Are you saying ktm wanted a different test ? 
 

the Wada test at the Melbourne wsx round is a very different set up to a pre employment test 

I would imagine for a deal if this magnitude it would be a separate test then the WADA.

that’s pure speculation. 
 

Regardless.  WTS reported on a refusal for a test.  Astephan says “we refused” but he also said we tested. So it’s confusing.

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11/30/2022 9:03am
Regis wrote:
So….  After reading Astephens response doesn’t anyone else think he just verified what Whiskey throttle reported? His second sentence starts by saying “we refused because……. “...

So….  After reading Astephens response doesn’t anyone else think he just verified what Whiskey throttle reported?

His second sentence starts by saying “we refused because……. “ that confirms what was originally reported by Whiskey right? He refused.

I don’t see the issue here. 
 

I mean, in other sports teams make a player pass a physical before signing.  They can’t show up with another teams paperwork and say, “here ya go I’m good”.  
 

An OEM wanting a test and a refusal by a rider to do so sounds fishy. No matter who you are.

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Because what actually happened (if we are to believe what Astephan said is true) was that initially they refused to take the test BUT ultimately they...

Because what actually happened (if we are to believe what Astephan said is true) was that initially they refused to take the test BUT ultimately they still did take the drug test. All of this happened well before Ping’s post.  Instead of including the latter Ping just goes “Roczen refused to take a drug test. I wonder why? It’s probably because he’s taking HGH. I’m allowed to speculate.”

 

It’s text book clickbait. While it is true that he initially did refuse, he also still ended up taking the drug test but only the juicy part of that statement made the headline. 

Regis wrote:
Really?   Sounds like KTM wanted a test and Astephan and KR refused.  As reported. They refused to take one “out of competition”  refusing any is...

Really?  

Sounds like KTM wanted a test and Astephan and KR refused.  As reported. They refused to take one “out of competition” 

refusing any is a bad look. especially if it costs you a ride.

Also FYI - I am just a fan of the sport and still hope Roczen wins on the Suzuki.  

Does Tickle getting pinched have anything to do with this new KTM test requirement 

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11/30/2022 9:04am
Regis wrote:
Really?   Sounds like KTM wanted a test and Astephan and KR refused.  As reported. They refused to take one “out of competition”  refusing any is...

Really?  

Sounds like KTM wanted a test and Astephan and KR refused.  As reported. They refused to take one “out of competition” 

refusing any is a bad look. especially if it costs you a ride.

Also FYI - I am just a fan of the sport and still hope Roczen wins on the Suzuki.  

aeffertz wrote:
Oh if that’s the case, then I see where you are coming from. Trying to decipher Astephan’s comments wasn’t exactly the easiest thing I’ve tried to...

Oh if that’s the case, then I see where you are coming from. Trying to decipher Astephan’s comments wasn’t exactly the easiest thing I’ve tried to do. Grinning

If that’s what happened, I still don’t like that Ping jumps straight to “Kenny’s probably taking PEDs.” However, Steve goes “It’s inaccurate we refused the test. We did take the test! I just challenged their protocol and process before taking the test.”

Agreed - much more confusing than it should be. It looks like he took test but is it the test.

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11/30/2022 9:06am Edited Date/Time 11/30/2022 9:08am

There’s so many missing details it’s hard to speculate further than the original claim. 
 

I look at PEDs in moto differently than in sports like MMA, Boxing, etc. as nobody gets hurt if you decide to cheat. 
 

That said, PED’s shouldn’t be anyones initial reaction. We have no idea what kind of test was refused (or not refused?). It could have been a pre-employment piss test, which is more indicative of recreational drug use than PED’s. Was it a full panel blood test? It’s impossible to speculate without information.

The whiskey throttle claim is clearly not baseless, just missing information which is seemingly in an attempt to infer cheating, to me that’s unfair.
 

it’s not unheard of for athletes to use PED’s coming off injury, and with Ken’s past that could warrant discussion, especially with the ongoing digestion issues and health problems at 28 years old. But those could equally be contributed to the injuries he sustained and not to PED abuse. What about the random social media lash outs? Personality or side effects of usage? Or a non factor?
 

all that said, this is going down a dead end road. We’ll never hear more about it, nor should we really. Ken has never tested positive for anything, and that’s the only piece of actual evidence we can use.   

 

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11/30/2022 9:11am
Lillefty27 wrote:
how long before Vital pulls this thread? They've pulled stuff regarding Ping before. Now since this is clearly a bad look for Ping and WTM, is...

how long before Vital pulls this thread? They've pulled stuff regarding Ping before. Now since this is clearly a bad look for Ping and WTM, is vital just gonna intentionally leave it up? (I'm not here to internet box, just playing devil's advocate).

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You may have missed some things. ML and Ping aren't on the friendliest terms currently.

ML512 wrote:
That’s an understatement. I clipped prior threads of someone who’s associated with his new site trying to spam their forum over here and other content from...

That’s an understatement.

I clipped prior threads of someone who’s associated with his new site trying to spam their forum over here and other content from his site. With the way a few things have gone I don’t feel the need to help promote his new venture and nothing requires us to. In his case, you make your bed and you sleep in it.

He took a few shots at us so his forum account was also suspended. There’s also an in-person interaction that I wasn’t too thrilled with…so here we are.

Transparency is lost on so many these days...  Good on you!

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11/30/2022 9:14am

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11/30/2022 9:14am
aeffertz wrote:
Because what actually happened (if we are to believe what Astephan said is true) was that initially they refused to take the test BUT ultimately they...

Because what actually happened (if we are to believe what Astephan said is true) was that initially they refused to take the test BUT ultimately they still did take the drug test. All of this happened well before Ping’s post.  Instead of including the latter Ping just goes “Roczen refused to take a drug test. I wonder why? It’s probably because he’s taking HGH. I’m allowed to speculate.”

 

It’s text book clickbait. While it is true that he initially did refuse, he also still ended up taking the drug test but only the juicy part of that statement made the headline. 

Regis wrote:
Really?   Sounds like KTM wanted a test and Astephan and KR refused.  As reported. They refused to take one “out of competition”  refusing any is...

Really?  

Sounds like KTM wanted a test and Astephan and KR refused.  As reported. They refused to take one “out of competition” 

refusing any is a bad look. especially if it costs you a ride.

Also FYI - I am just a fan of the sport and still hope Roczen wins on the Suzuki.  

Does Tickle getting pinched have anything to do with this new KTM test requirement 

That is a very good question.

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11/30/2022 9:16am

Ping has always been a bitter asshole. I've never been able to stand the guy, dude buys into some ridiculous shit. 

His sarcasm just screams insecurity. 

And his feud with Matthes says a lot about him. I'm sure we all have friends on both sides of the political spectrum (I sure do), and we're able to set those differences aside, and just not discuss it. We all know where Matthes stands, though he rarely brings it up. Ping always has to slide in quick little smart ass political quips, and it doesn't matter if I agree with him, it still comes off as completely immature and out of place.

 

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How I read it was they had an issue with the protocols being different and not necessarily the testing…but I will say that the original post from Ping has a strong taste of clickbait…

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11/30/2022 9:16am

so this was a test for a possible future employer? That has zero to do with competition? I'm assuming drug test??? or was this some sort of overall health test? 

if KTM wanted to do an out of competition drug test.... while Ken is not employed by them... why would Ken even consider it? why would KTM even want to do that? I can see a general health test as Ken has struggled with his health... but a drug test makes no sense to me... 

  

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11/30/2022 9:22am
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Ping lost me as a fan over the last couple of years. WTM put out some good stuff and he is good at his job but...

Ping lost me as a fan over the last couple of years. WTM put out some good stuff and he is good at his job but as a person, I’m out at this point. 
the article and the social media shit show is terrible on both parts. Extremely unprofessional of the agent, he should have just hit WTM with some warning letter and put out an official statement shutting it down, he’s just fucked himself in the comments. 
If he is trying to say what I think he’s trying to say I don’t think Kenny is doing anything down right performance enhancing but in the off season I’m sure he is getting regenekine, certain procedures etc etc to help with healing and his immune issues that, without clear testing protocol being known, could flag something up. 
These tests can flag up if you use steroid cream or if you use the wrong supplement bought at a Holland and Barret. It’s not black and white.

This makes a lot of sense and would explain why Kenny is on fire for the first few rounds of the season. His body is 100% when he shows up for A1 from whatever therapy he is doing in the off-season. Since that therapy isn’t clearly defined as acceptable/unacceptable by WADA or whatever bullshit governing body supervises these guys at this point, he quits it cold turkey when it’s time to be tested and then benefits have worn off by mid season, hence his performance decline. 
 

THIS IS ALL PURELY SPECULATION and me just bullshitting with you all on vital. I really don’t believe that Kenny is doing anything tremendously performance enhancing, like doping, HGH, etc., but because WADA has their heads up their ass, he could find himself in a Broc Tickle situation pretty easily with something as benign as C4 pre-workout. 
 

I tend to enjoy Ping’s WT interviews, but he seems like a real douche canoe on social media. It’s crazy how quickly he stabbed Kenny in the back. RBSR was barely over a month ago. Like someone said earlier, he most likely has his number. Why not shoot him a text/call man to man and get to the bottom of this pretty serious allegation instead of blowing him out on social like a high school girl. 

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11/30/2022 9:22am
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I think a rider getting  off the track after 30 minutes at 180 bpm not breathing hard is a pretty solid indication.     I think riders...

I think a rider getting  off the track after 30 minutes at 180 bpm not breathing hard is a pretty solid indication. 
 

 I think riders that have used the same trainer having ibs, stomach problems,  and continues signs of food poisoning is a pretty solid indication. 

So you're saying Tony Alessi was right all along? Shocking.

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11/30/2022 9:27am
jstein639 wrote:
I hope there's something I don't know going on behind the scenes because it seems risky to jump off that Honda to step on the KTM...

I hope there's something I don't know going on behind the scenes because it seems risky to jump off that Honda to step on the KTM (especially when Sexton consistently showed elite 1 lap speed on the Honda last year).

If (when) Chase cant replicate his bursts of speed on the KTM - its gonna show what a pile of flexible junk it is compared the the Honda

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11/30/2022 9:29am
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If you have some knowledges in doping, you of course know that Roczen's shape doesn't look very natty .

If you have some knowledges in doping, you of course know that Roczen's shape doesn't look very natty Laughing.

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This is fat guy speak for “I don’t like to work hard”

Yes because KR is such a hard worker - it shows in his will power on the race track and his lack of excuses & consistency

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11/30/2022 9:29am
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I've lost a lot of respect for Ping over the past few years. There is so much irony in the shit he posts lately and it's...

I've lost a lot of respect for Ping over the past few years. There is so much irony in the shit he posts lately and it's just sad.

Also, the exchange in the comments with Ken's agent is fuckin cringe. Don't let the truth get in the way of some good clickbait! ... Zero integrity.

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Yep. Seems like when Ping was doing his videos here...everybody thought he was the man,and hung on his every word. Then he leaves Vital (I don't...

Yep. Seems like when Ping was doing his videos here...everybody thought he was the man,and hung on his every word. Then he leaves Vital (I don't know the story...) and becomes "Douche Of The Day". Did he suddenly change? Is he bitter about something? Seems like the membership of the Ping fan club has diminished hugely.

Seems like nobody wants to admit where their real underlying distain for him comes from.  3 years ago, he was well liked, and evolving his career.  Covid came, his opinions often went against the grain, and he (like most), was happy to share his views on it.  We all know how 'well received' opposing opinions were during Covid.

Fast forward 3 years (generally speaking), and you can see folks don't forget.  If you look at the geographic location for those in this thread saying "I hate Ping", you may spot a trend. The crazy thing, a lot of what Ping was 'conspiring', he was right about.  Covid hit the emotional nerve hard for a lot of people, but the distain seems to just hang and linger, nobody letting go, even if they were right or wrong, it sucks.

Back on-topic, how many times have we read on Vital that we want journalists that will roll up their sleeves and not just report what the industry wants us to hear/know?  We love the gossip....  This thread is entertaining, Ping gave us something fun to read.  He can be a douche to many all day long, but he delivered something that got us chatting.  

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11/30/2022 9:31am
jstein639 wrote:
I hope there's something I don't know going on behind the scenes because it seems risky to jump off that Honda to step on the KTM...

I hope there's something I don't know going on behind the scenes because it seems risky to jump off that Honda to step on the KTM (especially when Sexton consistently showed elite 1 lap speed on the Honda last year).

motokiwi wrote:
If (when) Chase cant replicate his bursts of speed on the KTM - its gonna show what a pile of flexible junk it is compared the...

If (when) Chase cant replicate his bursts of speed on the KTM - its gonna show what a pile of flexible junk it is compared the the Honda

Interesting considering the 21-22 Hondas were "too" flexible in certain places, which is what was causing a harsh feeling through the chassis. They stiffened it in those places for '23, but I'm curious if they added any material for the factory guys the past couple years...

I still don't understand why Honda can't get a frame 100% right after 25 years on aluminum. I own the '22 and it took a lot of work to make it feel right to me.

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11/30/2022 9:35am
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so this was a test for a possible future employer? That has zero to do with competition? I'm assuming drug test??? or was this some sort...

so this was a test for a possible future employer? That has zero to do with competition? I'm assuming drug test??? or was this some sort of overall health test? 

if KTM wanted to do an out of competition drug test.... while Ken is not employed by them... why would Ken even consider it? why would KTM even want to do that? I can see a general health test as Ken has struggled with his health... but a drug test makes no sense to me... 

  

Imagine you run big company and want to hire people and you ask future workers to take test and some of them have problem taking the test. 

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11/30/2022 9:36am

So many examples of piss poor reading comprehension up in here.

And 100 times more speculation and rumor incubation than in the original post.

Vitards is so accurate.

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11/30/2022 9:42am

Here is the problem, any reporter worth a damn (in any sport) does not put out speculation like this.  If you have any integrity whatsoever, you wait until you have factual information when reporting something like ped/drug use.  Whether it ends up true or not, you don't speculate this kind of shit. Look at any reporter in any sport that is worth a damn and has a bit of integrity, they don't speculate on this kind of topic.   

Ping is thirsty, real thirsty to be a player in the game and it shows. Look at what ML/Vital report on, look at what Pulp reports on and then look at what cooksie/ping/any other clickbait reports on. You can see a clear difference on intentions and providing actual information vs mindless zombie content for clicks.

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11/30/2022 9:45am

It's Russian disinformation!!

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11/30/2022 9:47am
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I've lost a lot of respect for Ping over the past few years. There is so much irony in the shit he posts lately and it's...

I've lost a lot of respect for Ping over the past few years. There is so much irony in the shit he posts lately and it's just sad.

Also, the exchange in the comments with Ken's agent is fuckin cringe. Don't let the truth get in the way of some good clickbait! ... Zero integrity.

davistld01 wrote:
Yep. Seems like when Ping was doing his videos here...everybody thought he was the man,and hung on his every word. Then he leaves Vital (I don't...

Yep. Seems like when Ping was doing his videos here...everybody thought he was the man,and hung on his every word. Then he leaves Vital (I don't know the story...) and becomes "Douche Of The Day". Did he suddenly change? Is he bitter about something? Seems like the membership of the Ping fan club has diminished hugely.

Seems like nobody wants to admit where their real underlying distain for him comes from.  3 years ago, he was well liked, and evolving his career. ...

Seems like nobody wants to admit where their real underlying distain for him comes from.  3 years ago, he was well liked, and evolving his career.  Covid came, his opinions often went against the grain, and he (like most), was happy to share his views on it.  We all know how 'well received' opposing opinions were during Covid.

Fast forward 3 years (generally speaking), and you can see folks don't forget.  If you look at the geographic location for those in this thread saying "I hate Ping", you may spot a trend. The crazy thing, a lot of what Ping was 'conspiring', he was right about.  Covid hit the emotional nerve hard for a lot of people, but the distain seems to just hang and linger, nobody letting go, even if they were right or wrong, it sucks.

Back on-topic, how many times have we read on Vital that we want journalists that will roll up their sleeves and not just report what the industry wants us to hear/know?  We love the gossip....  This thread is entertaining, Ping gave us something fun to read.  He can be a douche to many all day long, but he delivered something that got us chatting.  

Haha, don't even go there with me, bud.

I don't hate Ping. My "reduced" respect for him comes from quite a few different things that have added up over time. Also to be quite frank, I've never been a big fan of his at any level of his media career. Just not my taste.

I shake my head every time someone brings up "geographic location" as a way to say something else.

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11/30/2022 9:47am Edited Date/Time 11/30/2022 11:08am

Refusing to take a FIM mandated test would be the equivalent of failing a FIM mandated test resulting in a provisional suspension, right?  Now that would be a story.

Sounds like the agent had a problem being subjected to testing in what he described as a "pay to race" series, but whatever issue was there they worked it out and Roczen tested.  That's fairly boring, though.  KTM pulling their offer because Ken refused a drug test (*so we're told) sounds much juicer.  Accuracy be damned. 

 

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11/30/2022 9:49am Edited Date/Time 11/30/2022 11:11am
Seems like nobody wants to admit where their real underlying distain for him comes from.  3 years ago, he was well liked, and evolving his career. ...

Seems like nobody wants to admit where their real underlying distain for him comes from.  3 years ago, he was well liked, and evolving his career.  Covid came, his opinions often went against the grain, and he (like most), was happy to share his views on it.  We all know how 'well received' opposing opinions were during Covid.

Fast forward 3 years (generally speaking), and you can see folks don't forget.  If you look at the geographic location for those in this thread saying "I hate Ping", you may spot a trend. The crazy thing, a lot of what Ping was 'conspiring', he was right about.  Covid hit the emotional nerve hard for a lot of people, but the distain seems to just hang and linger, nobody letting go, even if they were right or wrong, it sucks.

Back on-topic, how many times have we read on Vital that we want journalists that will roll up their sleeves and not just report what the industry wants us to hear/know?  We love the gossip....  This thread is entertaining, Ping gave us something fun to read.  He can be a douche to many all day long, but he delivered something that got us chatting.  

I think a lot of the hate towards Ping has to do with his attitude on here. He shit on Vital members for quite a while, and not in a sarcastic joking kind of way. Then he became a Vital employee and pretended as if he was always just kidding around. His true feelings came out before he was collecting a paycheck from the people he shit-talked and we did not forget. 

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I think a rider getting  off the track after 30 minutes at 180 bpm not breathing hard is a pretty solid indication.     I think riders...

I think a rider getting  off the track after 30 minutes at 180 bpm not breathing hard is a pretty solid indication. 
 

 I think riders that have used the same trainer having ibs, stomach problems,  and continues signs of food poisoning is a pretty solid indication. 

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So you're saying Tony Alessi was right all along? Shocking.

The guy that won both championships this year has been subjected to many many drug tests throughout his career and his trainer-dad specifically got out of European cycling because he didn't like the juicing culture there. Seems like the fitness could be attained naturally. Of course there were times when Chase looked fresh after motos but he's a 22 year old young buck. There probably are some guys looking to catch up but everyone that's been busted so far have been for pretty low level stuff.

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Haha, don't even go there with me, bud. I don't hate Ping. My "reduced" respect for him comes from quite a few different things that have...

Haha, don't even go there with me, bud.

I don't hate Ping. My "reduced" respect for him comes from quite a few different things that have added up over time. Also to be quite frank, I've never been a big fan of his at any level of his media career. Just not my taste.

I shake my head every time someone brings up "geographic location" as a way to say something else.

Hey now, my geographic location has a similar trend as yours Wink   We are rowing this boat together.

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