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How is it clickbait if the agent all but said "yeah you were kinda right, but...."?
So now it's a bad thing Ping posted an apparent truth, because he's buddies with Roczen and let him ride his bike?
In my opinion it would be far less desirable if Ping didn't post the "truth" because Roczen was his buddy.
Didn't think I meant to argue with anyone. My point is Roger is very old, it is time for new blood.
No, I changed my post based on the confusing context.
As I read it, KTM wanted a test. Roczen camp refused at some point.
Maybe I missed something... Did Ping tell the whole story, or just the half he heard?
I think getting both sides of the story then posting it as "Roczen Drug Test Controversy" would make a lot more sense. But then again, I'm not cut out for the whole social media thing.
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You can't just refuse a test from Wada otherwise nobody would ever take a test!
I would imagine for a deal if this magnitude it would be a separate test then the WADA.
that’s pure speculation.
Regardless. WTS reported on a refusal for a test. Astephan says “we refused” but he also said we tested. So it’s confusing.
Does Tickle getting pinched have anything to do with this new KTM test requirement
Agreed - much more confusing than it should be. It looks like he took a test but is it the test.
There’s so many missing details it’s hard to speculate further than the original claim.
I look at PEDs in moto differently than in sports like MMA, Boxing, etc. as nobody gets hurt if you decide to cheat.
That said, PED’s shouldn’t be anyones initial reaction. We have no idea what kind of test was refused (or not refused?). It could have been a pre-employment piss test, which is more indicative of recreational drug use than PED’s. Was it a full panel blood test? It’s impossible to speculate without information.
The whiskey throttle claim is clearly not baseless, just missing information which is seemingly in an attempt to infer cheating, to me that’s unfair.
it’s not unheard of for athletes to use PED’s coming off injury, and with Ken’s past that could warrant discussion, especially with the ongoing digestion issues and health problems at 28 years old. But those could equally be contributed to the injuries he sustained and not to PED abuse. What about the random social media lash outs? Personality or side effects of usage? Or a non factor?
all that said, this is going down a dead end road. We’ll never hear more about it, nor should we really. Ken has never tested positive for anything, and that’s the only piece of actual evidence we can use.
Transparency is lost on so many these days... Good on you!
"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck"
That is a very good question.
Ping has always been a bitter asshole. I've never been able to stand the guy, dude buys into some ridiculous shit.
His sarcasm just screams insecurity.
And his feud with Matthes says a lot about him. I'm sure we all have friends on both sides of the political spectrum (I sure do), and we're able to set those differences aside, and just not discuss it. We all know where Matthes stands, though he rarely brings it up. Ping always has to slide in quick little smart ass political quips, and it doesn't matter if I agree with him, it still comes off as completely immature and out of place.
How I read it was they had an issue with the protocols being different and not necessarily the testing…but I will say that the original post from Ping has a strong taste of clickbait…
so this was a test for a possible future employer? That has zero to do with competition? I'm assuming drug test??? or was this some sort of overall health test?
if KTM wanted to do an out of competition drug test.... while Ken is not employed by them... why would Ken even consider it? why would KTM even want to do that? I can see a general health test as Ken has struggled with his health... but a drug test makes no sense to me...
This makes a lot of sense and would explain why Kenny is on fire for the first few rounds of the season. His body is 100% when he shows up for A1 from whatever therapy he is doing in the off-season. Since that therapy isn’t clearly defined as acceptable/unacceptable by WADA or whatever bullshit governing body supervises these guys at this point, he quits it cold turkey when it’s time to be tested and then benefits have worn off by mid season, hence his performance decline.
THIS IS ALL PURELY SPECULATION and me just bullshitting with you all on vital. I really don’t believe that Kenny is doing anything tremendously performance enhancing, like doping, HGH, etc., but because WADA has their heads up their ass, he could find himself in a Broc Tickle situation pretty easily with something as benign as C4 pre-workout.
I tend to enjoy Ping’s WT interviews, but he seems like a real douche canoe on social media. It’s crazy how quickly he stabbed Kenny in the back. RBSR was barely over a month ago. Like someone said earlier, he most likely has his number. Why not shoot him a text/call man to man and get to the bottom of this pretty serious allegation instead of blowing him out on social like a high school girl.
So you're saying Tony Alessi was right all along? Shocking.
If (when) Chase cant replicate his bursts of speed on the KTM - its gonna show what a pile of flexible junk it is compared the the Honda
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Yes because KR is such a hard worker - it shows in his will power on the race track and his lack of excuses & consistency
Seems like nobody wants to admit where their real underlying distain for him comes from. 3 years ago, he was well liked, and evolving his career. Covid came, his opinions often went against the grain, and he (like most), was happy to share his views on it. We all know how 'well received' opposing opinions were during Covid.
Fast forward 3 years (generally speaking), and you can see folks don't forget. If you look at the geographic location for those in this thread saying "I hate Ping", you may spot a trend. The crazy thing, a lot of what Ping was 'conspiring', he was right about. Covid hit the emotional nerve hard for a lot of people, but the distain seems to just hang and linger, nobody letting go, even if they were right or wrong, it sucks.
Back on-topic, how many times have we read on Vital that we want journalists that will roll up their sleeves and not just report what the industry wants us to hear/know? We love the gossip.... This thread is entertaining, Ping gave us something fun to read. He can be a douche to many all day long, but he delivered something that got us chatting.
Interesting considering the 21-22 Hondas were "too" flexible in certain places, which is what was causing a harsh feeling through the chassis. They stiffened it in those places for '23, but I'm curious if they added any material for the factory guys the past couple years...
I still don't understand why Honda can't get a frame 100% right after 25 years on aluminum. I own the '22 and it took a lot of work to make it feel right to me.
Imagine you run big company and want to hire people and you ask future workers to take test and some of them have problem taking the test.
So many examples of piss poor reading comprehension up in here.
And 100 times more speculation and rumor incubation than in the original post.
Vitards is so accurate.
Here is the problem, any reporter worth a damn (in any sport) does not put out speculation like this. If you have any integrity whatsoever, you wait until you have factual information when reporting something like ped/drug use. Whether it ends up true or not, you don't speculate this kind of shit. Look at any reporter in any sport that is worth a damn and has a bit of integrity, they don't speculate on this kind of topic.
Ping is thirsty, real thirsty to be a player in the game and it shows. Look at what ML/Vital report on, look at what Pulp reports on and then look at what cooksie/ping/any other clickbait reports on. You can see a clear difference on intentions and providing actual information vs mindless zombie content for clicks.
It's Russian disinformation!!
Haha, don't even go there with me, bud.
I don't hate Ping. My "reduced" respect for him comes from quite a few different things that have added up over time. Also to be quite frank, I've never been a big fan of his at any level of his media career. Just not my taste.
I shake my head every time someone brings up "geographic location" as a way to say something else.
Refusing to take a FIM mandated test would be the equivalent of failing a FIM mandated test resulting in a provisional suspension, right? Now that would be a story.
Sounds like the agent had a problem being subjected to testing in what he described as a "pay to race" series, but whatever issue was there they worked it out and Roczen tested. That's fairly boring, though. KTM pulling their offer because Ken refused a drug test (*so we're told) sounds much juicer. Accuracy be damned.
I think a lot of the hate towards Ping has to do with his attitude on here. He shit on Vital members for quite a while, and not in a sarcastic joking kind of way. Then he became a Vital employee and pretended as if he was always just kidding around. His true feelings came out before he was collecting a paycheck from the people he shit-talked and we did not forget.
The guy that won both championships this year has been subjected to many many drug tests throughout his career and his trainer-dad specifically got out of European cycling because he didn't like the juicing culture there. Seems like the fitness could be attained naturally. Of course there were times when Chase looked fresh after motos but he's a 22 year old young buck. There probably are some guys looking to catch up but everyone that's been busted so far have been for pretty low level stuff.
Hey now, my geographic location has a similar trend as yours We are rowing this boat together.
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