RC, Hunter, and Villopoto Call Out Keyboard Warriors Who Don't Know What They Are Talking About

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…as for Hunter.  The fans that are taking the time to post are generally core fans living in the sport.  In other words…people paying your paycheck through product purchases.  Asking how they can be wrong 100% is idiotic…. first…because they usually don’t agree with each other, and if they do maybe listen, so it’s not going to be close to 100%….and second…you need fans to make money so maybe don’t shit on them.  Them criticizing you is part of the awesome privilege you have of riding a dirt bike for a good living….so remember that…and maybe thank them for that awesome life you are living.  Riders are often tough as nails riding through bad injuries….but sometimes not as tough emotionally.

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I don't think people need to know how to run a TV broadcast to know when it sucks. I can't fly a helicopter but when I...

I don't think people need to know how to run a TV broadcast to know when it sucks. I can't fly a helicopter but when I see one stuck in a tree I know the pilot fucked up.

 

That said, it must be tough to have to read the bullshit on Vital and other social media as part of your job. I can scroll by stupid comments but I think I would lose my mind if I had to read Instagram comments and forum posts everyday.

 

Having said THAT, I'm pretty good at what I do as a professional, so when i hear a non-expert talking shit about my field I can't even begin to take them seriously. It's like hearing a child complain about your favourite movie being boring. Why would you even get angry at them? Their opinion is so far off having any meaning that it sems silly to be affected by it.

RC often goes on about the keyboard warriors. However, it's clear that he's not so much bothered by their takes as by their criticisms of him for his shoddy commentary. 

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Remember Dark Seid did his piece about the broadcast?  What I would like to know more than anything is what is the justification for doing these things on the broadcast that are supposed to be for the 'new fan' and to grow the sport?  

If they could provide data showing that at least they would have some kind of explanation for why the show appears so terrible.

Specifically:

1. Where is the data - presumably from focus groups or social media analytics - showing that people want 'storylines' and 'back stories' to get to 'know the riders'? 

2. Where is the evidence to show that audience numbers increase by showing split screens, by having multiple commentators, and by inserting interview segments in during the races?

3. Furthermore, what is the demographic they are going for?  Male, female, young, old, rich, poor?  

I find it very hard to believe they are not basing their decisions on audience data.  They clearly are not listening to the existing audience, so the only rational conclusion must be that all of this shite that passes for a broadcast is for the mythical 'new fan'. 

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Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a keyboard warrior.

I’m not saying I’m any different. If I saw Hunter in person I would fangirl harder than a 13 year old at a Taylor Swift concert. 

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Pfft what would they know. 

The point with RC is not what he knows, but the ability to communicate it.  He could know everything there is to know about the sport but if he can't communicate it in cogent and clear ways during the broadcast it's useless. 

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Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a...

Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a keyboard warrior.

I’m not saying I’m any different. If I saw Hunter in person I would fangirl harder than a 13 year old at a Taylor Swift concert. 

I would have no problem telling RC he is as terrible at his new job as he was brilliant at his last. No problem at all.

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Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a...

Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a keyboard warrior.

I’m not saying I’m any different. If I saw Hunter in person I would fangirl harder than a 13 year old at a Taylor Swift concert. 

Au contraire mon frère. I wouldn't go out of my way to do it but if asked I would be tactful and give my opinion. These are just dudes that can ride dirt bikes really well.

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Herr Lich wrote:
Remember Dark Seid did his piece about the broadcast?  What I would like to know more than anything is what is the justification for doing these...

Remember Dark Seid did his piece about the broadcast?  What I would like to know more than anything is what is the justification for doing these things on the broadcast that are supposed to be for the 'new fan' and to grow the sport?  

If they could provide data showing that at least they would have some kind of explanation for why the show appears so terrible.

Specifically:

1. Where is the data - presumably from focus groups or social media analytics - showing that people want 'storylines' and 'back stories' to get to 'know the riders'? 

2. Where is the evidence to show that audience numbers increase by showing split screens, by having multiple commentators, and by inserting interview segments in during the races?

3. Furthermore, what is the demographic they are going for?  Male, female, young, old, rich, poor?  

I find it very hard to believe they are not basing their decisions on audience data.  They clearly are not listening to the existing audience, so the only rational conclusion must be that all of this shite that passes for a broadcast is for the mythical 'new fan'. 

Send the add guy an email asking for info on adds and You should get most of the answers You are looking for and likely a ton more.  Stuff like that is all in most of the info packs I see when I get info for running adds. So some stuff is meant to bring new fans in, some is meant to bring $$$ in. 

They could have long-term advertising contracts from before they were getting paid for the races to be shown. Might just be trying to make money,  maybe trying to keep those sponsors happy  and keep running the adds because it has worked well for both the company and Feld even though they could now afford to not run them. 

 

It has been said a few times, that a lot of the fluff stuff they run are paid adds. Pretty much every time a thread pops up complaining about them. Somebody points out a lot are adds.  

 

The info is out there and easy to find if You really want to find it. 

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Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a...

Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a keyboard warrior.

I’m not saying I’m any different. If I saw Hunter in person I would fangirl harder than a 13 year old at a Taylor Swift concert. 

Spoonguy wrote:

I would have no problem telling RC he is as terrible at his new job as he was brilliant at his last. No problem at all.

No chance. You’d ask him to sign your hat and you’d be on your way. 

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Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a...

Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a keyboard warrior.

I’m not saying I’m any different. If I saw Hunter in person I would fangirl harder than a 13 year old at a Taylor Swift concert. 

"If I saw Hunter in person I would fangirl harder than a 13 year old at a Taylor Swift concert."


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Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a...

Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a keyboard warrior.

I’m not saying I’m any different. If I saw Hunter in person I would fangirl harder than a 13 year old at a Taylor Swift concert. 

I have no problem repeating my post, it's factual and accurate, 100%.

The info from the teams is not 100% informative, in fact at times it's an outright lie.

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Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a...

Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a keyboard warrior.

I’m not saying I’m any different. If I saw Hunter in person I would fangirl harder than a 13 year old at a Taylor Swift concert. 

Sure I would. 

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I see You edited Your post. . Did You spell something wrong? or say something You wanted to rephrase ?RC can not do that live He...

I see You edited Your post. . Did You spell something wrong? or say something You wanted to rephrase ?RC can not do that live

He like You is human and makes mistakes. Every person that has done RC's job has made mistakes. He is just not as smooth at hiding them as some. 

Often when people make a mistake  on TV they will just keep going and hope its not noticed.  I get it that RC may not be the smoothest talker. But he has a lot of valuable  observations and I really think that he might be a better director than on air guy. With his ability to see where the action is going to be ahead of time. 

 

Tyler D wrote:
none of that explains how RC is the worst analyst announcer the sport has ever seen. I'm not the bar; the dozen or so other guys...

none of that explains how RC is the worst analyst announcer the sport has ever seen. I'm not the bar; the dozen or so other guys that have done or do it better than he does week in and week out are the bar.

 

I agree that he stumbles over words sometimes. And is not a wordsmith. But  he is able to call stuff before it happens very often. And...

I agree that he stumbles over words sometimes. And is not a wordsmith. But  he is able to call stuff before it happens very often. And point out things a rider is doing that I have not noticed other TV guys point out.   I really do like how he is able to pick up on things like that. His southern twang and way of speaking is not the normal pro voice people are used to hearing. But put his missteps aside and listen to the stuff he gets right. Just try it , and You can learn something. 

 

  His position is the former rider analyst.   I think that he adds value to the show. And I really think he could excel as a producer.

 

What he said about people not knowing what is going on in the background. That could mean so many things. They have a ear piece with people talking, could be running into tech difficulties that feed them the wrong info , who knows. 

 

 I get it that he is not as smooth sounding as  many other voices. But his knowledge makes up for it in my opinion. I think that if he stopped letting the bad stuff people say bother him , He might do better and have less of those stumbling moments he has had. I feel like when he was part time he had less of those moments that people complain about. 

 

And funny thing about complaining about RC and RV complaining , about people complaining...... They have just as much of a right to complain about and criticize anybody  who is putting their opinion out there right? It is their opinion just like when any of us hit enter on here. We open ourselves up to whatever.  

And I feel like there is a percentage of people that will just step up their bitching now , trying to get RC or RV to say their names or call them out.  Who knows, RC might not care and just know that it will get more attention on him and the podcast he and RV do. He might just be playing everybody while laughing all the way to the bank.

I appreciate the long post, but even Matthes points out how much RC holds back. He's stifled. He is afraid to be himself bc they've put him in a box. He probably does have more knowledge but it rarely comes out, and he'd apparently rather play the assistant play by play guy. 

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Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a...

Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a keyboard warrior.

I’m not saying I’m any different. If I saw Hunter in person I would fangirl harder than a 13 year old at a Taylor Swift concert. 

He wouldn't say it to my face either, so guess that makes him a microphone warrior.... 

The entire moto industry thinks that riding a dirt bike fast qualifies you for every other kind of position in the industry, and it makes the whole enterprise a joke compared to what it could be. Business degrees for the people on the business side? Journalism degrees for the journalists? Sales experience for the product reps? a high school degree for the face of your broadcast? Who needs any of that stuff if you made enough mains back in the day?

The result is everyone having a giant case of imposter syndrome and being very insecure because they know they aren't qualified for the job they've been gifted. Too insecure to let anyone see behind the curtain. Too insecure to engage with the idiot fans. Too insecure to take criticism. Too insecure to change how they do things. Just start a podcast or a vlog. Once you're in, you're in as long as you obey the motobro code. Don't be too good at what you do or you might make someone else look bad and get the blair treatment though. People in the know constantly refusing to enlighten any of us idiot fans because "reasons" then want to criticize us for not knowing what's going on. It's all so dumb.

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Security on break at the retirement home?

GuyB wrote:
Well, I'm retired, I'm at home, and my wife is at work, so...I guess so? Headed out for an eMTB ride soon. Here's a shot from...

Well, I'm retired, I'm at home, and my wife is at work, so...I guess so?

Headed out for an eMTB ride soon. Here's a shot from a recent ride. 
 

Magoofan wrote:
A real man would ride that mountain bike thru some of the skeevy parts of L.A. wearing spandex and a MAGA hat.....

A real man would ride that mountain bike thru some of the skeevy parts of L.A. wearing spandex and a MAGA hat.....

Laughing

No. A very stupid man may try that. Once. That pic looked like an awesome place to ride. 

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No. A very stupid man may try that. Once. That pic looked like an awesome place to ride. 

I was kidding....

...figured that would be pretty clear. 

 

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Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a...

Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a keyboard warrior.

I’m not saying I’m any different. If I saw Hunter in person I would fangirl harder than a 13 year old at a Taylor Swift concert. 

Spoonguy wrote:

I would have no problem telling RC he is as terrible at his new job as he was brilliant at his last. No problem at all.

No chance. You’d ask him to sign your hat and you’d be on your way. 

 In all respect, bullshit, you and I have never met friend, you do not know me. I have mad respect for RC as a rider, and have his autograph on several things, have met him several times, and have some memoribilia. But make no mistake he is a shitty presenter of the sport on air, he is a below poor public speaker, and is pettiously jealous of the success of his fellow presenters. On air he makes the sport look as bad as he made it look good as when he was in the seat. To tell him otherwise is disrespectful, unfair, and dishonest to him. He, of all people, deserves the truth. He is a stubborn ginger, but a sports caster he is not, unless for comic-relief. He deserves the truth, honesty, from his fans. Does anyone really disagree with this? Does anyone really think fans should tell RC he's doing great? It's hurtful watching him honestly. It's like watching a fat kid trying to run sprints at a track meet.

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No chance. You’d ask him to sign your hat and you’d be on your way. 

 

The most I would do with one of my moto-heros is  a fist bump and say...."thanks for all the great racing" and leave them the hell alone.    I can't imagine anything worse than drooling all over someone and how uncomfortable that is for them. 

I've never been a "star struck" type of person.    Been around a number of celebrities in my day...    My favorite "celebrity" story is one involving Jamie Lee Curtis.   Friend of mine worked in the industry and we would go to a lot of the early test movie screenings.   Most of the time, the celebs didn't show, but this time,  Ms Curtis did.   The movie was "Blue Steel".    

Mark and Brian (KLOS DJs for those who remember) hosted this movie screening and upon entering the door, they handed out cards to fill out info on yourself and one of the questions was "do you have a stupid trick".     Of course, me being the incorrigible smart ass that I am....I wrote "hand farts".    You know, where you blow into your hand and make farting sounds.

So Mark and Brian come out on stage and introduce Ms Curtis and the usual blah blah blah.    Then they announce we've got a treat for the audience and proceeded to call out my name.    You can see where this is going.... I sunk in my seat and my friend jumps up and starts yelling...."here he is".    Bastard. Laughing

So I go up on the stage and proceed to do my "stupid trick" while Ms Curtis is standing there 3 feet away.    I let it "rip"....the sound was epic coming thru the sound system of the theater.   She laughed and said "impressive"....  I stuck out my hand and said "it's been an honor" but she wouldn't shake my hand....she said "I don't think so".      I can't blame her.. Laughing

Oh....the stupid thins you do when you're young.  Grinning

 

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Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a...

Not one of you guys here would ever say this stuff in person to RC, RV, or Hunter. I believe that is the definition of a keyboard warrior.

I’m not saying I’m any different. If I saw Hunter in person I would fangirl harder than a 13 year old at a Taylor Swift concert. 

truck wrote:
He wouldn't say it to my face either, so guess that makes him a microphone warrior....  The entire moto industry thinks that riding a dirt bike...

He wouldn't say it to my face either, so guess that makes him a microphone warrior.... 

The entire moto industry thinks that riding a dirt bike fast qualifies you for every other kind of position in the industry, and it makes the whole enterprise a joke compared to what it could be. Business degrees for the people on the business side? Journalism degrees for the journalists? Sales experience for the product reps? a high school degree for the face of your broadcast? Who needs any of that stuff if you made enough mains back in the day?

The result is everyone having a giant case of imposter syndrome and being very insecure because they know they aren't qualified for the job they've been gifted. Too insecure to let anyone see behind the curtain. Too insecure to engage with the idiot fans. Too insecure to take criticism. Too insecure to change how they do things. Just start a podcast or a vlog. Once you're in, you're in as long as you obey the motobro code. Don't be too good at what you do or you might make someone else look bad and get the blair treatment though. People in the know constantly refusing to enlighten any of us idiot fans because "reasons" then want to criticize us for not knowing what's going on. It's all so dumb.

Bingo, great summary.

I'm not going to go out of my way to insult people in person without just cause, but it's the same vice versa. A couple of 5'6" former racers wouldn't dare walk up to me and call me a keyboard warrior so I don't understand what their point is there.

And it's incredibly ironic that a bunch of homeschoolers with no college (and in many cases high school) degree are going to insult the intelligence of fans who are likely far more educated than they are. Being able to ride a dirt bike really fast doesn't make you smart or qualified for any other profession.

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tahoefd wrote:

No. A very stupid man may try that. Once. That pic looked like an awesome place to ride. 

Magoofan wrote:

I was kidding....

...figured that would be pretty clear. 

 

Sorry Mfan, I got that, but was in an irritated attitude when I commented. I'll take it as a "learning lesson". And it still looks like an awesome place to mtb. 

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funny thing is all of them are trash too , Chris collinsworth , booger McFarland , Tony romo , nfl redzone is where its at! nfl...

funny thing is all of them are trash too , Chris collinsworth , booger McFarland , Tony romo , nfl redzone is where its at! nfl commentating hasent been good since John Madden & Al Michales

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What i got from that was  1. They read Vital 2. They have very thin skin, saying things to your fan base like “you can’t hold...

What i got from that was 

1. They read Vital

2. They have very thin skin, saying things to your fan base like “you can’t hold a drink and eat a cheeto,” “you don’t know what’s happening in the background” or in other words it’s too complicated for you to understand. 

What I always find fascinating is the inability to understand that just because we love riding dirt bikes and would have given anything to achieve  what RC and RV did in the industry we aren’t just dumb dirt bike riders. Those keyboard warriors they are lamenting could be, doctors, lawyers, architects, engineers, maybe even work in the broadcast industry… the fact remains RV and RC are just dirt bike riders and haven’t achieved anything else in life to lead me to believe, as evident by the broadcast they are defending, they can understand what is happening in the background or have the ability to hold a cheeto and drink at the same time. What I saw were two dudes that had their egos stroked their entire career for riding dirt bikes and now can’t handle valid criticism! 

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Well put.   ...oh, and for the record:  I'm the guy who sprays deodorizer in the rental shoes at the bowling alley for a living.    

Well put.

 

...oh, and for the record:  I'm the guy who sprays deodorizer in the rental shoes at the bowling alley for a living.  Dry

 

Deoderizing bowling alley shoes is still better then winding up as an engineer

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In general RC and RV are pretty spot on/accurate…. The “#3 will never win again” thread is a perfect example of this…. 
 

 

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Keyboard warriors are a demeaning term used against anyone that isn’t a multi-time champ and has an opinion that isn’t the same as RC/RV/Hunter/whoever. 
While there are shit takes only meant to crap on the racer, some are well thought out but still pointed criticisms. If you didn’t have the criticism, you’re just in an empty fanless echo chamber telling you want you want to hear. Those echo chambers don’t pay well either. 

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No chance. You’d ask him to sign your hat and you’d be on your way. 

Magoofan wrote:
  The most I would do with one of my moto-heros is  a fist bump and say...."thanks for all the great racing" and leave them the...

 

The most I would do with one of my moto-heros is  a fist bump and say...."thanks for all the great racing" and leave them the hell alone.    I can't imagine anything worse than drooling all over someone and how uncomfortable that is for them. 

I've never been a "star struck" type of person.    Been around a number of celebrities in my day...    My favorite "celebrity" story is one involving Jamie Lee Curtis.   Friend of mine worked in the industry and we would go to a lot of the early test movie screenings.   Most of the time, the celebs didn't show, but this time,  Ms Curtis did.   The movie was "Blue Steel".    

Mark and Brian (KLOS DJs for those who remember) hosted this movie screening and upon entering the door, they handed out cards to fill out info on yourself and one of the questions was "do you have a stupid trick".     Of course, me being the incorrigible smart ass that I am....I wrote "hand farts".    You know, where you blow into your hand and make farting sounds.

So Mark and Brian come out on stage and introduce Ms Curtis and the usual blah blah blah.    Then they announce we've got a treat for the audience and proceeded to call out my name.    You can see where this is going.... I sunk in my seat and my friend jumps up and starts yelling...."here he is".    Bastard. Laughing

So I go up on the stage and proceed to do my "stupid trick" while Ms Curtis is standing there 3 feet away.    I let it "rip"....the sound was epic coming thru the sound system of the theater.   She laughed and said "impressive"....  I stuck out my hand and said "it's been an honor" but she wouldn't shake my hand....she said "I don't think so".      I can't blame her.. Laughing

Oh....the stupid thins you do when you're young.  Grinning

 

thats a good fking story. one for the little uns. bad form on her for not shaking your hand. syndey sweeney would! (wish)

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Sorry Mfan, I got that, but was in an irritated attitude when I commented. I'll take it as a "learning lesson". And it still looks like...

Sorry Mfan, I got that, but was in an irritated attitude when I commented. I'll take it as a "learning lesson". And it still looks like an awesome place to mtb. 

It was. And is. Heading back there tomorrow morning. 
Here's the route... 
https://strava.app.link/8NvD5wL9tIb

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tahoefd wrote:

No. A very stupid man may try that. Once. That pic looked like an awesome place to ride. 

Magoofan wrote:

I was kidding....

...figured that would be pretty clear. 

 

tahoefd wrote:
Sorry Mfan, I got that, but was in an irritated attitude when I commented. I'll take it as a "learning lesson". And it still looks like...

Sorry Mfan, I got that, but was in an irritated attitude when I commented. I'll take it as a "learning lesson". And it still looks like an awesome place to mtb. 

No worries man...    Cool

Sometimes it's hard to tell on the interwebs when someones joking.     Lord knows, I've pissed of my fair share of Vitalians because of this. Laughing

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4/2/2024 10:07pm

RC and RV should not even mentioned it.

There's no pleasing some fans they will complain for the sake of it, complain about RC, complain about Ralph for not knowing the sport, complain about the Australian commentator for being English etc.

 

As long as I can see the race I don't give a damn about who's dribbling what this sport has been average in commentary since the 90s, nothing new.

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4/3/2024 12:05am

I would rather have RC (or any other previous rider), bumbling and stumbling his way through a broadcast, than listen to a fluent, well spoken announcer, spewing BS, about a sport he knows nothing about. 

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4/3/2024 12:37am
Shred wrote:
…as for Hunter.  The fans that are taking the time to post are generally core fans living in the sport.  In other words…people paying your paycheck...

…as for Hunter.  The fans that are taking the time to post are generally core fans living in the sport.  In other words…people paying your paycheck through product purchases.  Asking how they can be wrong 100% is idiotic…. first…because they usually don’t agree with each other, and if they do maybe listen, so it’s not going to be close to 100%….and second…you need fans to make money so maybe don’t shit on them.  Them criticizing you is part of the awesome privilege you have of riding a dirt bike for a good living….so remember that…and maybe thank them for that awesome life you are living.  Riders are often tough as nails riding through bad injuries….but sometimes not as tough emotionally.

I was very surprised RV bit the bait and went there! Why would they insult the people who their sponsors want to buy their products. 

75% of what keyboard warriors and factory hero's think or say is subjective. So they don't like some opinions voiced and resort to name calling and insults

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