KTM employees running carb bikes at Glen Helen!

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Cool to see some KTM group employees choosing to race the carb bikes at the World 2 stroke championship!

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Ryan Morais made the TBI bike look good in the two 125 classes. But true that Griffin Dexter switched from the TBI bike last year to a carbed gasgas this year for the open pro class. Griffin buys his bikes though.

not many TBI in the pro classes.

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If my 300SX gets any issues I'd retro it for my STIC Super X carb. It is sick on my 200SX. I use the slowest turn G2 throttle cam to control the mayhem right off idle.

The PC Works pipe and WMR re-flash though is clean and crisp everywhere on the 3hun.

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romain524 wrote:
Ryan Morais made the TBI bike look good in the two 125 classes. But true that Griffin Dexter switched from the TBI bike last year to...

Ryan Morais made the TBI bike look good in the two 125 classes. But true that Griffin Dexter switched from the TBI bike last year to a carbed gasgas this year for the open pro class. Griffin buys his bikes though.

not many TBI in the pro classes.

Redondi also on a carb bike and works for KTM group. 
 

Outside of some KTM group guys, there wasn’t really any TBI bikes out there. Mosiman won moto 1 on that carb bike too

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4/20/2024 4:43pm Edited Date/Time 4/21/2024 2:10pm
TDC wrote:
If my 300SX gets any issues I'd retro it for my STIC Super X carb. It is sick on my 200SX. I use the slowest turn...

If my 300SX gets any issues I'd retro it for my STIC Super X carb. It is sick on my 200SX. I use the slowest turn G2 throttle cam to control the mayhem right off idle.

The PC Works pipe and WMR re-flash though is clean and crisp everywhere on the 3hun.

I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been there for 1.5 weeks. They have no idea what’s going on. I couldn’t diagnose shit because everything is locked out

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TDC wrote:
If my 300SX gets any issues I'd retro it for my STIC Super X carb. It is sick on my 200SX. I use the slowest turn...

If my 300SX gets any issues I'd retro it for my STIC Super X carb. It is sick on my 200SX. I use the slowest turn G2 throttle cam to control the mayhem right off idle.

The PC Works pipe and WMR re-flash though is clean and crisp everywhere on the 3hun.

studworx wrote:
I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been...

I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been there for 1.5 weeks. They have no idea what’s going on. I couldn’t diagnose shit because everything is locked out

What’s wrong with it?

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TDC wrote:
If my 300SX gets any issues I'd retro it for my STIC Super X carb. It is sick on my 200SX. I use the slowest turn...

If my 300SX gets any issues I'd retro it for my STIC Super X carb. It is sick on my 200SX. I use the slowest turn G2 throttle cam to control the mayhem right off idle.

The PC Works pipe and WMR re-flash though is clean and crisp everywhere on the 3hun.

studworx wrote:
I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been...

I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been there for 1.5 weeks. They have no idea what’s going on. I couldn’t diagnose shit because everything is locked out

What’s wrong with it?

Yeah what happened? 

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romain524 wrote:
Ryan Morais made the TBI bike look good in the two 125 classes. But true that Griffin Dexter switched from the TBI bike last year to...

Ryan Morais made the TBI bike look good in the two 125 classes. But true that Griffin Dexter switched from the TBI bike last year to a carbed gasgas this year for the open pro class. Griffin buys his bikes though.

not many TBI in the pro classes.

Griffins bike sounded really good. It barked like browns. Those 2 bikes stood out to me 

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TDC wrote:
If my 300SX gets any issues I'd retro it for my STIC Super X carb. It is sick on my 200SX. I use the slowest turn...

If my 300SX gets any issues I'd retro it for my STIC Super X carb. It is sick on my 200SX. I use the slowest turn G2 throttle cam to control the mayhem right off idle.

The PC Works pipe and WMR re-flash though is clean and crisp everywhere on the 3hun.

studworx wrote:
I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been...

I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been there for 1.5 weeks. They have no idea what’s going on. I couldn’t diagnose shit because everything is locked out

What’s wrong with it?

Always ran really lean off idle, and now is just extremely lean when cracking throttle. Bike basically just shuts off. They have it diagnosed as an ultra lean condition but now waiting on KTM to send dealer a solution. They updated everything and nothing works. I’m hands off. Everything is locked so nobody minus dealer can help

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romain524 wrote:
Ryan Morais made the TBI bike look good in the two 125 classes. But true that Griffin Dexter switched from the TBI bike last year to...

Ryan Morais made the TBI bike look good in the two 125 classes. But true that Griffin Dexter switched from the TBI bike last year to a carbed gasgas this year for the open pro class. Griffin buys his bikes though.

not many TBI in the pro classes.

studworx wrote:
Redondi also on a carb bike and works for KTM group.    Outside of some KTM group guys, there wasn’t really any TBI bikes out there...

Redondi also on a carb bike and works for KTM group. 
 

Outside of some KTM group guys, there wasn’t really any TBI bikes out there. Mosiman won moto 1 on that carb bike too

I know Giacomo a bit over the years, I went to talk to him quite a bit today.

He isn’t a ktm group employee, he is a supported rider, His two 2 strokes are his personal bikes that he bought. So he can choose to stay on the older bike if he wants to. His 125/150 has to be pretty good because he was pulling some smaller guys with fast guys up the hills and he is quite a big guy.

He did 3 classes today and rode well in all of them. I think he went 4/4 in open pro.

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romain524 wrote:
Ryan Morais made the TBI bike look good in the two 125 classes. But true that Griffin Dexter switched from the TBI bike last year to...

Ryan Morais made the TBI bike look good in the two 125 classes. But true that Griffin Dexter switched from the TBI bike last year to a carbed gasgas this year for the open pro class. Griffin buys his bikes though.

not many TBI in the pro classes.

Griffins bike sounded really good. It barked like browns. Those 2 bikes stood out to me 

I saw your bike in the pits at some point, not too far from the start, looked sweet!

Griffins always has good stuff, I like to watch his ride, he’s got good form!

That last open pro moto was really cool to see! Hoeft and Brown battling all the way to the last turn.

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4/20/2024 6:29pm Edited Date/Time 4/20/2024 6:30pm

The new TBI bikes are slow. I would be Morais is on the TBI bike bc he is ktm R&D and has something pretty good you can’t buy

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romain524 wrote:
Ryan Morais made the TBI bike look good in the two 125 classes. But true that Griffin Dexter switched from the TBI bike last year to...

Ryan Morais made the TBI bike look good in the two 125 classes. But true that Griffin Dexter switched from the TBI bike last year to a carbed gasgas this year for the open pro class. Griffin buys his bikes though.

not many TBI in the pro classes.

Griffins bike sounded really good. It barked like browns. Those 2 bikes stood out to me 

romain524 wrote:
I saw your bike in the pits at some point, not too far from the start, looked sweet! Griffins always has good stuff, I like to...

I saw your bike in the pits at some point, not too far from the start, looked sweet!

Griffins always has good stuff, I like to watch his ride, he’s got good form!

That last open pro moto was really cool to see! Hoeft and Brown battling all the way to the last turn.

Yeah he looked super smooth as always.

shit you seen the desert tank and stabilizer lol

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4/20/2024 7:57pm Edited Date/Time 4/20/2024 8:24pm
studworx wrote:
I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been...

I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been there for 1.5 weeks. They have no idea what’s going on. I couldn’t diagnose shit because everything is locked out

Yeah, just had two more sweet track days, back to back. Do a couple sessions on white map and try to set some ruts if need be, then I go green. I'm afraid to say how stoked I am. I'd hate to end up in your boots. 

I've read that a couple carb model parts and resistors to fool the ECU, i.e. fuel pump. Would need to add a petcock for the tank. ePV + carb muy bueno. Well, not in every ones opinion of course. I know my Super X carb would be like adding a big bore kit yet still rev out farther. I'd need the Wossner piston(shorter skirt). lol

Fingers crossed for some improvement to your sitch.

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studworx wrote:
I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been...

I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been there for 1.5 weeks. They have no idea what’s going on. I couldn’t diagnose shit because everything is locked out

What year model?

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The new TBI bikes are slow. I would be Morais is on the TBI bike bc he is ktm R&D and has something pretty good you...

The new TBI bikes are slow. I would be Morais is on the TBI bike bc he is ktm R&D and has something pretty good you can’t buy

There are plenty of tuners all over the world now posting dyno curves where they have cleaned up the map on the tbi bikes and they put out the same HP as the carb bikes but with better front side of the curve (stock bikes).

It’s not the first time ktm release a so-so finnished product, but in this case, the map is the problem, not the EFI it self.

But what do people expect from a brand that release next years bikes in june…

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studworx wrote:
Always ran really lean off idle, and now is just extremely lean when cracking throttle. Bike basically just shuts off. They have it diagnosed as an...

Always ran really lean off idle, and now is just extremely lean when cracking throttle. Bike basically just shuts off. They have it diagnosed as an ultra lean condition but now waiting on KTM to send dealer a solution. They updated everything and nothing works. I’m hands off. Everything is locked so nobody minus dealer can help

I know you shouldn’t have to, but does Vortex make an ECU yet? I bet a Twisted or XPR tuned ECU would be good. But I’ll say it again, you shouldn’t have to buy one when a bike already costs plenty. 

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studworx wrote:
Always ran really lean off idle, and now is just extremely lean when cracking throttle. Bike basically just shuts off. They have it diagnosed as an...

Always ran really lean off idle, and now is just extremely lean when cracking throttle. Bike basically just shuts off. They have it diagnosed as an ultra lean condition but now waiting on KTM to send dealer a solution. They updated everything and nothing works. I’m hands off. Everything is locked so nobody minus dealer can help

mx317 wrote:
I know you shouldn’t have to, but does Vortex make an ECU yet? I bet a Twisted or XPR tuned ECU would be good. But I’ll...

I know you shouldn’t have to, but does Vortex make an ECU yet? I bet a Twisted or XPR tuned ECU would be good. But I’ll say it again, you shouldn’t have to buy one when a bike already costs plenty. 

That’s my next option. Waiting until Thursday for a solution, if not I go the Twisted or Get route. I believe Get just released an ECU that fixes all this

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Money wrote:
The new TBI bikes are slow. I would be Morais is on the TBI bike bc he is ktm R&D and has something pretty good you...

The new TBI bikes are slow. I would be Morais is on the TBI bike bc he is ktm R&D and has something pretty good you can’t buy

Yep basically a factory KTM best they have to offer and he was getting pulled out of corner exits and up the hills by the carb bikes!

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Carbs are more organic…any truth to rumors Ktm will go back to carbs ? 

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Carbs are more organic…any truth to rumors Ktm will go back to carbs ? 

Man I hope so! The carb bikes sounded so raspy and clean compared to the Tbi they sounded muted and slow and unexciting! Even some of the guys at ktm are saying they should have left one of the brands maybe gas gas on carbs but that would show out inferior the TBI is so they'll never do it LOL

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4/21/2024 10:44am Edited Date/Time 4/21/2024 10:45am

I know I've said it a few times, and I'm not the only one, but for the life of me I can't see why they don't at least leave the GasGas as carb...

They don't need three of the same bike and some of us genuinely don't want fuel injection, a battery and a starter motor, but we do like the counter balanced Austrian engines and steel frames.

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Richy wrote:
I know I've said it a few times, and I'm not the only one, but for the life of me I can't see why they don't...

I know I've said it a few times, and I'm not the only one, but for the life of me I can't see why they don't at least leave the GasGas as carb...

They don't need three of the same bike and some of us genuinely don't want fuel injection, a battery and a starter motor, but we do like the counter balanced Austrian engines and steel frames.

When they bought GasGas they literally said they’d run old platforms, not get every fancy part and update, etc. 

I see no issue as running the carb bikes as a legacy or classic line, similar to Ram Classics. 
 

It sucks because those were legendary bikes. Especially the small bores. 

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4/21/2024 11:32am Edited Date/Time 4/21/2024 11:34am

Perfect example man, some of us know what we like and don't want what is 'supposedly' the latest and greatest.

It's a shame they are so short sighted that they can't use their multiple brands wisely.

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Richy wrote:
I know I've said it a few times, and I'm not the only one, but for the life of me I can't see why they don't...

I know I've said it a few times, and I'm not the only one, but for the life of me I can't see why they don't at least leave the GasGas as carb...

They don't need three of the same bike and some of us genuinely don't want fuel injection, a battery and a starter motor, but we do like the counter balanced Austrian engines and steel frames.

studworx wrote:
When they bought GasGas they literally said they’d run old platforms, not get every fancy part and update, etc.  I see no issue as running the...

When they bought GasGas they literally said they’d run old platforms, not get every fancy part and update, etc. 

I see no issue as running the carb bikes as a legacy or classic line, similar to Ram Classics. 
 

It sucks because those were legendary bikes. Especially the small bores. 

Yep that's why I spent covid premium price for my 22 150 I knew KTM would s*** the bed by adding 10 lb with a starter and fuel injection to a small bore guess I'll be keeping my bike forever! If they let gas gas go back to carb I will be buying another one as it is now only Parts this bike will get from the OEM is transmission   everything else will be pretty much aftermarket woosner crank and pistons doesn't sound like a good business decision by KTM but they haven't been going in the right direction for a while especially now putting a lot of manufacturing in China🤷‍♂️

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studworx wrote:
I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been...

I was extremely happy with my 300sx, thought I got a good one. Then it happened. I’m so fucking bitter.. zero help from KTM. Bikes been there for 1.5 weeks. They have no idea what’s going on. I couldn’t diagnose shit because everything is locked out

What’s wrong with it?

studworx wrote:
Always ran really lean off idle, and now is just extremely lean when cracking throttle. Bike basically just shuts off. They have it diagnosed as an...

Always ran really lean off idle, and now is just extremely lean when cracking throttle. Bike basically just shuts off. They have it diagnosed as an ultra lean condition but now waiting on KTM to send dealer a solution. They updated everything and nothing works. I’m hands off. Everything is locked so nobody minus dealer can help

Wait a minute, you have a 300SX with known issues? Weren’t we just discussing TBI horsepower in another thread?

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So sounds like the carb bikes should be selling like crazy if anyone has any. 

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What’s wrong with it?

studworx wrote:
Always ran really lean off idle, and now is just extremely lean when cracking throttle. Bike basically just shuts off. They have it diagnosed as an...

Always ran really lean off idle, and now is just extremely lean when cracking throttle. Bike basically just shuts off. They have it diagnosed as an ultra lean condition but now waiting on KTM to send dealer a solution. They updated everything and nothing works. I’m hands off. Everything is locked so nobody minus dealer can help

Broseph wrote:

Wait a minute, you have a 300SX with known issues? Weren’t we just discussing TBI horsepower in another thread?

Buddy, it’s an actual issue that started. It was running like a poster child 300sx prior.
 

You can’t get it in gear and go anymore. Any amount of blipping the throttle turns the bike off. It’s a ECU/Hardware issue. It’s not a “hidden” issue that would affect a dyno run. It’s an issue that prevents the bike from running all together. Like blowing up a bike and discrediting how it ran on track and dyno a month earlier. 

There’s also a legit chance the bike was affected by some bad VP we ran the same ride it started having issues.  Considering all options. 
 

But nice try. 

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Is my memory bad, or is this deja vu to when the 4 strokes started to go with FI?

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