John Tomac Said...

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This is just typical mini dad talk

With a win its a "we" thing

Don't win..throw somebody or something under the bus..never taking any responsibility

 

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2/6/2024 8:39pm Edited Date/Time 2/6/2024 8:39pm
mx251 wrote:

This is just typical mini dad talk

With a win its a "we" thing

Don't win..throw somebody or something under the bus..never taking any responsibility

 

Or it’s a fact….. the disrespect towards the tomacs is crazy. ET doesn’t fade from top 3 to 10/11 for something as little as arm pump…. He’s a pro sx/mx rider, one of the best to ever do it. Use your brain people - Cleary a bike issue the team doesn’t want disclosed. 

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Explains the Achilles thing if you think about it 

Maybe running a midvalve that doesn't flow enough oil and a stiff base valve creating pressure spikes?

 

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711stretch wrote:
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ILoveMoto wrote:

Nope, that was when his shifter was bent. I want to say the shock blew on the start straight in the main.

His airshock went before the gate dropped. Some resonant frequency did a number to it.

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jazza167 wrote:
Or it’s a fact….. the disrespect towards the tomacs is crazy. ET doesn’t fade from top 3 to 10/11 for something as little as arm pump...

Or it’s a fact….. the disrespect towards the tomacs is crazy. ET doesn’t fade from top 3 to 10/11 for something as little as arm pump…. He’s a pro sx/mx rider, one of the best to ever do it. Use your brain people - Cleary a bike issue the team doesn’t want disclosed. 

I hope Eli wins every race the rest of the year but he has a history of arm pump and dropping way back on occassion. Maybe with a less talented field, his ride Saturday night may have gotten 6th place. Heck, Barcia was there with him at the end.

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Sometimes what worked great at the test track doesn't pan out at the races.  HRC and Showa tried an x-ring piston before the BFRC was ready to be put on the CRF models.  Tedesco and Townley liked it on the Corona clay, but hated it in race conditions.  

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2/7/2024 2:51pm

Now I see a quote from Jeremy Coker saying "Tomac's rear shock did NOT fail". So was he just that pumped up from a bad bike setup and deteriorating track? Sounds like the most reasonable explanation outside of being hurt.

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2/7/2024 3:29pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2024 3:29pm

Someone said a lie.

 

 

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MxAddic wrote:
Someone said a lie.    

Someone said a lie.

 

 

So, I guess the ET3 disparagers are gonna go back to, "See, I told you he sucks now"?

Wow. Hard to believe. I wonder if he even remembers, "left side shift, right side brake"?

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While the sport benefits from more transparency, I can't imagine there's going to be warm fuzzy feelings between Eli and Coker next week. 

I also believe that "setup" is often a proxy for "comfort" and at this point I suspect the setup isn't nearly as far off as the comfort is. 

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While the sport benefits from more transparency, I can't imagine there's going to be warm fuzzy feelings between Eli and Coker next week.  I also believe...

While the sport benefits from more transparency, I can't imagine there's going to be warm fuzzy feelings between Eli and Coker next week. 

I also believe that "setup" is often a proxy for "comfort" and at this point I suspect the setup isn't nearly as far off as the comfort is. 

No Flow, No Go.

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“Yes I would like to [respond]. There was not a shock failure in any way," wrote Coker today in a text message. "His current shock setup is good on harder, drier tracks. When we got to the sticky, rutty dirt like this weekend it sucked the rear of the bike down and in turn gave him arm pump.”
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
[quote]“Yes I would like to [respond]. There was not a shock failure in any way," wrote Coker today in a text message. "His current shock setup...

“Yes I would like to [respond]. There was not a shock failure in any way," wrote Coker today in a text message. "His current shock setup is good on harder, drier tracks. When we got to the sticky, rutty dirt like this weekend it sucked the rear of the bike down and in turn gave him arm pump.”

Sounds like a fancy way of saying they missed the set-up.

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A few pages back I posted Tomac’s lap times and said that the shock failure line didn’t hold water.  Quite a few downvotes but nobody was able to refute it.

Now we learn that he just got arm pump, which tracks with how variable his lap times were.

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2/7/2024 9:09pm
KennyT wrote:
From RacerX this morning. So is it Eli being uncomfortable or suspension failure? 

From RacerX this morning. So is it Eli being uncomfortable or suspension failure? IMG 0796

“Electrical issues”

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2/7/2024 9:13pm

Ah yes I see now….Eli Tomac, one of the most fit riders on the gate, got arm pump in less than 8 minutes because he wasn’t perfectly comfortable…I don’t believe that for a second. Maybe if he started fading later in the race sure but he dropped anchor in a light switch fashion 

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Ah yes I see now….Eli Tomac, one of the most fit riders on the gate, got arm pump in less than 8 minutes because he wasn’t...

Ah yes I see now….Eli Tomac, one of the most fit riders on the gate, got arm pump in less than 8 minutes because he wasn’t perfectly comfortable…I don’t believe that for a second. Maybe if he started fading later in the race sure but he dropped anchor in a light switch fashion 

I’m with you. There’s no way. 

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2/7/2024 9:57pm

I think someone may have stuck a banana in his tailpipe. 

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2/7/2024 10:41pm

Arm pump cause suspension settings were wrong.   That's insane. Star thinks we believe this BS

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2/7/2024 10:46pm

As long as ET lines up this weekend, there is a possibility that beast mode may be activated, which is good enough for me. 

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Ah yes I see now….Eli Tomac, one of the most fit riders on the gate, got arm pump in less than 8 minutes because he wasn’t...

Ah yes I see now….Eli Tomac, one of the most fit riders on the gate, got arm pump in less than 8 minutes because he wasn’t perfectly comfortable…I don’t believe that for a second. Maybe if he started fading later in the race sure but he dropped anchor in a light switch fashion 

Coming from a team that says Deegan didn’t injure his wrist. Star literally lies about everything.  

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2/7/2024 11:23pm

A simple fitting of spoke wraps would have cured the issue in an instant.

Sometimes teams need to think outside the box!

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2/7/2024 11:56pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2024 11:56pm
Ah yes I see now….Eli Tomac, one of the most fit riders on the gate, got arm pump in less than 8 minutes because he wasn’t...

Ah yes I see now….Eli Tomac, one of the most fit riders on the gate, got arm pump in less than 8 minutes because he wasn’t perfectly comfortable…I don’t believe that for a second. Maybe if he started fading later in the race sure but he dropped anchor in a light switch fashion 

aeffertz wrote:

Coming from a team that says Deegan didn’t injure his wrist. Star literally lies about everything.  

They are car salesmen, after all 😂

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atomic1 wrote:

Arm pump cause suspension settings were wrong.   That's insane. Star thinks we believe this BS

I’m not saying that’s what happened in this instance, but Tomac himself has said he’s suffered arm pump when the setup is off, and that’s caused some of his ‘mysterious’ bad results in the past.

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Maybe it’s just me but the way that statement is worded feels sort of… tense

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atomic1 wrote:

Arm pump cause suspension settings were wrong.   That's insane. Star thinks we believe this BS

CPR wrote:
I’m not saying that’s what happened in this instance, but Tomac himself has said he’s suffered arm pump when the setup is off, and that’s caused...

I’m not saying that’s what happened in this instance, but Tomac himself has said he’s suffered arm pump when the setup is off, and that’s caused some of his ‘mysterious’ bad results in the past.

Yup, Wedge said it on the review pod. He went up to Tomac and asked him what happens when he has those weirdo rides. Tomac said when the bike sits too low in the back it gives him arm pump. That's lines up with what Coker said today (or yesterday -- whenever the interview came out). We also never saw those weirdo rides from Tomac on Yamaha. This is the first time I can think of besides being hurt that he had that type of ride on this bike. I have a feeling they won't make the same mistake again. Still kinda crazy how if they can get the back to be up more that Tomac would have won even more races. 

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2/8/2024 12:56am Edited Date/Time 2/8/2024 12:58am

I didn't believe at this shock issue at all. It was like A1 so my theory is that his legs are empty for the moment. Since the begining of the season, I think he look like he has no fire in legs but it's very understable. It's ok on dry track but when the track is sticky and rutted, it's look like a problem of legs strength that get him arm pump because he compense the weakness from his legs by forcing on his uper body when the track is sticky and rutted. That make him very unconfortable and I understand that. How much time it will take to get the strenght back ? more than before because he is older. He should be good around Daytona. Otherwise, You'll probably never see the old fashion Tomac anymore. Just my 2 cents.

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2/8/2024 2:03am

Tomac has had arm pump issues from day 1....Not that anyone actually pays attention

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2/8/2024 2:17am
mtbkris2 wrote:

Maybe it’s just me but the way that statement is worded feels sort of… tense

                 This feels correct , and I get the old Kawasaki vibe from several years ago. Hope not.

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2/8/2024 2:49am
mx251 wrote:

This is just typical mini dad talk

With a win its a "we" thing

Don't win..throw somebody or something under the bus..never taking any responsibility

 

Mini Dad ???

🤣

Well if that's not in the running for most vitarded comment of the SX season, I don't know what is.

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