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2/5/2024 3:37am
Cygrace74 wrote:
I had seen this last night after the main 

I had seen this last night after the main IMG 5928

Rewatching the main, it was clear that his rear suspension was messed up.

Especially when he was being passed in the long right hand sweeper, in comparison to the guys passing him.

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Ok I don’t get this. How does this happen? Setup was great last year, the bike is the same, endless laps at the test track, and...

Ok I don’t get this. How does this happen? Setup was great last year, the bike is the same, endless laps at the test track, and now there’s a problem? I understand these guys always tweaking things and looking for more at that level but damn, if it’s not broke make sure you break it?

You have to push it to the limit and then some to kiss the trophy girl! Those were the days (see Hannah at Unadilla pic)

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cwel11 wrote:
Ok I don’t get this. How does this happen? Setup was great last year, the bike is the same, endless laps at the test track, and...

Ok I don’t get this. How does this happen? Setup was great last year, the bike is the same, endless laps at the test track, and now there’s a problem? I understand these guys always tweaking things and looking for more at that level but damn, if it’s not broke make sure you break it?

ILoveMoto wrote:

You have to push it to the limit and then some to kiss the trophy girl! Those were the days (see Hannah at Unadilla pic)

You're not allowed to kiss the trophy girl, unless you are Austin Forkner.

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You're not allowed to kiss the trophy girl, unless you are Austin Forkner.

Being married to her hopefully will also be good for him. They seem look a good couple.

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mx317 wrote:
After seeing a real SX shock stack compared to a regular guy MX stack, I’m shocked more stuff doesn’t “fail”. Remember McElrath’s shock splitting wide open...

After seeing a real SX shock stack compared to a regular guy MX stack, I’m shocked more stuff doesn’t “fail”. Remember McElrath’s shock splitting wide open last year from the pressure created by that type of stack. Who knows what’s going on inside of Eli’s shock, but I’m shocked more don’t fail.

Like to see them both side by side to see the difference internally  

Powerband posted a pic of a cone valve base valve set up for sx. It looked like 40-50 face shims.. I run 9 for mx and...

Powerband posted a pic of a cone valve base valve set up for sx. It looked like 40-50 face shims.. I run 9 for mx and 11 is noticeably too stiff for me. Clamp shim does have a huge affect, it’s possible that sx stack had a smaller clamp than I run. The high speed stack also goes down in 1mm increments compared to 2mm on the other stack (what I also run) 

IMG 3978

That's crazy! Can't imagine how firm that would feel

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2/5/2024 4:47am
Magoofan wrote:

Sure hope that's what it was and not an Eli problem.

Why no official word on this?

 

Team politics and the Tomac camp is arguably the most secretive group in the paddock. Wouldn’t be the first time he had a shock issue/didn’t feel comfortable and backed it down. ET3 eventually came out about a previous shock issue on the Kawi two years after everyone was scratching their heads wondering why he was having off nights. We should know what really happened on Saturday sometime in 2026 🥴

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MB19 wrote:
As frustrating as it is that Eli can’t seem to just come out and say, yeah my shock fell off, it’s never really been his m.o...

As frustrating as it is that Eli can’t seem to just come out and say, yeah my shock fell off, it’s never really been his m.o. to keep fans/journalists/vitards in the loop. He’s never done it his whole career so why expect it now

kpiper wrote:
He has been pretty open about things since he went to Yamaha. He could just say there was a problem with the bike and leave it...

He has been pretty open about things since he went to Yamaha. He could just say there was a problem with the bike and leave it at that. He admitted he sucked at A1. The only thing these old-timers don't want to talk about is an injury right? But he didn't really look like he was hurt.

You’re right, he has been a little more open but I also don’t recall him ever blaming the bike, team or any of the equipment even when he legitimately could have . He is rare in the world of motocross because he almost goes out of his way to blame himself above anything. Most guys want to find blame in anything other than themselves while Eli shock was probably blown and we’ll hear, “yeah, I wasn’t comfy on my bike tonight and struggled. We’ll work on it and be back stronger.” 

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2/5/2024 7:27am

I can't imagine he is paid to say there was an issue with the bike. If anything, he's probably paid not to disclose bike issues.

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2/5/2024 8:12am

From RacerX this morning. So is it Eli being uncomfortable or suspension failure? IMG 0796

2/5/2024 8:25am
KennyT wrote:
From RacerX this morning. So is it Eli being uncomfortable or suspension failure? 

From RacerX this morning. So is it Eli being uncomfortable or suspension failure? IMG 0796

“Eli was not comfortable on the bike coughbecauseitwasbreakingcoughsnort excuse me but yeah we’re looking forward to next weekend”

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From RacerX this morning. So is it Eli being uncomfortable or suspension failure? 

From RacerX this morning. So is it Eli being uncomfortable or suspension failure? IMG 0796

Sounds like (and looked like) arm pump...got too tight for some reason. It is crazy to me that these guys who are in top shape get arm pump but they do and Eli has a history of it. When you can't hang on to the bars that is exactly how you ride.

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2/5/2024 8:45am

Man when Jett Chase and Eli started 1-2-3 I got so damn excited. Been waiting for that for a year. It was hard to watch Eli fade like that. Glad it was mechanical if that’s really the case. Makes way more sense than him just letting dudes blow past him with no fight. 

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2/5/2024 8:54am
KennyT wrote:
From RacerX this morning. So is it Eli being uncomfortable or suspension failure? 

From RacerX this morning. So is it Eli being uncomfortable or suspension failure? IMG 0796

I would say that the shock issue caused the lack of comfort.  I don't think that You'll hear Tomac or Yamaha say that there was an issue with the bike until they figure out the fix. Then maybe they will say something like " We found some new settings"  or " We got some new parts that we had been testing"  .

Very rarely will they come out and directly say they had an issue with a part. They worry that people will associate that parts failure with a production bikes parts.  And to a degree some people may think that if the info is put out into the world were the more causal fan may come across it.

I think that a bike issue makes the most sense , Eli has said that bike issues were responsible for his hot and cold rides in the past. Unfortunately speculation and hearing something from a 3rd party and indirect confirmation is the way of the sport. It makes me wonder about other racers ups and downs. A team allowing the rider to use whatever makes them comfortable can come back and bite them if that part is not a proven part. As long as the team is letting Eli have freedom with his setup and parts, I doubt he will throw anybody under the bus. If he is deciding to use a part , it is the right thing to do. At Kawasaki he was having issues and not given the freedom he has at Star. 

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2/5/2024 8:56am

He laid it out in the Instagram post when he said "We'll do our best to REBOUND next week". Laughing

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2/5/2024 9:29am
clem wrote:
He laid it out in the Instagram post when he said "We'll do our best to REBOUND next week". 

He laid it out in the Instagram post when he said "We'll do our best to REBOUND next week". Laughing

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2/5/2024 10:10am Edited Date/Time 2/5/2024 10:10am

If that's the case, make the shims out of diamonds...

Yeah, their flex characteristics should be top notch.

Wink

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2/5/2024 10:24am

Its joke that moto journalism cant come clean when something like this happens. Shim problem shouldnt be bad pr to Yamaha nor Kyb in my eays, just making empty excuses does. 

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2/5/2024 11:15am

Eli seems to have had an inordinate amount of mechanicals throughout the years. Early in his Kawabunga days, I recall a front brake issue at Glen Helen. Young man must be hard on equipment... 

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2/5/2024 11:29am

Screech will get to the bottom of this dilemma… with some investigative journalism…then hand it off to RC for a classic word salad to confuse us all even more👍

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2/5/2024 11:46am

You increase the risk of bike parts failure when you ride your 450 like a 250 2 strokes.

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2/5/2024 12:30pm

Yeah after watching the replay, the ending laps, Tomac's rear shock looks like its all spring. No valving. Must have pissed out fluid or something broke in the shock.

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Given this, he did one hell of a job getting tenth. 

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Is this because Matthes had that shock for a year?

Good one Johnny Ringo…

Matthes will be your Huckleberry…

🤠

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Tomac's Lap Times:

1.      00.000

2.      45.040

3.      45.429

4.      44.479

5.      45.233

6.      44.500

7.      44.902

8.      45.769

9.      46.183

10.   46.493

11.   46.605

12.   46.883

13.   48.135

14.   46.665

15.   46.893

16.   50.934

17.   48.789

18.   48.435

19.   49.637

20.   49.076

21.   48.722

22.   49.879

23.   47.886

24.   51.001

25.   48.301

26.   48.741

27.   50.977

The above is so inconsistent, I have a hard time believing that this was merely an issue of the shock going bad.  If that were the case, the lap times would theoretically get longer after the failure and remain that way.

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2/5/2024 1:08pm
Tomac's Lap Times: 1.      00.000 2.      45.040 3.      45.429 4.      44.479 5.      45.233 6.      44.500 7.      44.902 8.      45.769 9.      46.183 10.   46.493 11.   46.605 12.  ...

Tomac's Lap Times:

1.      00.000

2.      45.040

3.      45.429

4.      44.479

5.      45.233

6.      44.500

7.      44.902

8.      45.769

9.      46.183

10.   46.493

11.   46.605

12.   46.883

13.   48.135

14.   46.665

15.   46.893

16.   50.934

17.   48.789

18.   48.435

19.   49.637

20.   49.076

21.   48.722

22.   49.879

23.   47.886

24.   51.001

25.   48.301

26.   48.741

27.   50.977

The above is so inconsistent, I have a hard time believing that this was merely an issue of the shock going bad.  If that were the case, the lap times would theoretically get longer after the failure and remain that way.

So lap 16 the shim hit the fan! In SX/MX 1 or 2 seconds slower is alot

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2/5/2024 2:42pm

I'm not a suspension expert, but I did see Eli overjumping things all the way to the upface of the berm while sitting down, even hurt my back just watching that. Maybe he was stressing the shock too much?

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711stretch wrote:
this?

this?s1200 IMG 0502.jpg?VersionId=UnqlifeYafj

Nope, that was when his shifter was bent. I want to say the shock blew on the start straight in the main.

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