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2/4/2024 5:39pm

I am for sure a dumb ass and read that to fast. And no reading is not my strong suit. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ but on a serious note it would seem likely the other star bikes would be experiencing the same shim failure even if they run a different stack in Eli’s bike the shims are still KYB just like the other two start 450s. Does anyone know if the team uses the same suspension tech for all the 450 guys?

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2/4/2024 5:45pm

From the other Tomac post on another thread there was a comment about Tomac landing hard off a jump while chasing Sexton…..did this blow out his shock??? Makes sense to me now

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2/4/2024 5:45pm
mx317 wrote:
After seeing a real SX shock stack compared to a regular guy MX stack, I’m shocked more stuff doesn’t “fail”. Remember McElrath’s shock splitting wide open...

After seeing a real SX shock stack compared to a regular guy MX stack, I’m shocked more stuff doesn’t “fail”. Remember McElrath’s shock splitting wide open last year from the pressure created by that type of stack. Who knows what’s going on inside of Eli’s shock, but I’m shocked more don’t fail.

Like to see them both side by side to see the difference internally  

Powerband posted a pic of a cone valve base valve set up for sx. It looked like 40-50 face shims.. I run 9 for mx and 11 is noticeably too stiff for me. Clamp shim does have a huge affect, it’s possible that sx stack had a smaller clamp than I run. The high speed stack also goes down in 1mm increments compared to 2mm on the other stack (what I also run) 

IMG 3978

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2/4/2024 5:46pm
mikelawlor wrote:
I am for sure a dumb ass and read that to fast. And no reading is not my strong suit. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ but on a serious note...

I am for sure a dumb ass and read that to fast. And no reading is not my strong suit. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ but on a serious note it would seem likely the other star bikes would be experiencing the same shim failure even if they run a different stack in Eli’s bike the shims are still KYB just like the other two start 450s. Does anyone know if the team uses the same suspension tech for all the 450 guys?

How do you know the shims are KYB, Star may have had their own shims made.

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2/4/2024 5:46pm
mikelawlor wrote:
I am for sure a dumb ass and read that to fast. And no reading is not my strong suit. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ but on a serious note...

I am for sure a dumb ass and read that to fast. And no reading is not my strong suit. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ but on a serious note it would seem likely the other star bikes would be experiencing the same shim failure even if they run a different stack in Eli’s bike the shims are still KYB just like the other two start 450s. Does anyone know if the team uses the same suspension tech for all the 450 guys?

I believe tomac has his suspension guy from his geico Honda days 

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2/4/2024 5:55pm

While the race was going on, I told my son there is something wrong with Eli's shock. Too soft and too quick. Watch the replay. Not an Eli nut hugger FYI.

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mikelawlor wrote:
I am for sure a dumb ass and read that to fast. And no reading is not my strong suit. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ but on a serious note...

I am for sure a dumb ass and read that to fast. And no reading is not my strong suit. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ but on a serious note it would seem likely the other star bikes would be experiencing the same shim failure even if they run a different stack in Eli’s bike the shims are still KYB just like the other two start 450s. Does anyone know if the team uses the same suspension tech for all the 450 guys?

Just so folks know what your talking about.

mike vital shock

I've gotten in a habit of proof reading before sending Wink

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2/4/2024 6:11pm

Talking shims has found to be too technical.  Let’s just say Tomac blew his rear shock, more than likely on the OJ.  

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2/4/2024 6:14pm
ILoveMoto wrote:

So today we learned the difference between failed and fell. And they told me this board was not educational 😋

Now, if we could only teach the difference between "sale" and "sell" as well as "lose" and "loose".

Once we get that straightened out, we could teach the media that there is a suffix "-er" in the English language that means "more" of the word it is added to. Get so tired of hearing a bike is "more fast", "more tall" or more whatever (insert facepalm emoji here). 

Sounds like a job for Falcon.

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2/4/2024 6:17pm
Now, if we could only teach the difference between "sale" and "sell" as well as "lose" and "loose". Once we get that straightened out, we could...

Now, if we could only teach the difference between "sale" and "sell" as well as "lose" and "loose".

Once we get that straightened out, we could teach the media that there is a suffix "-er" in the English language that means "more" of the word it is added to. Get so tired of hearing a bike is "more fast", "more tall" or more whatever (insert facepalm emoji here). 

Sounds like a job for Falcon.

The lose vs loose has reached pandemic proportions 🙃

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2/4/2024 6:19pm
brocster wrote:

Talking shims has found to be too technical.  Let’s just say Tomac blew his rear shock, more than likely on the OJ.  

Good grief.

First a thread about RC sucking off Tomac and now ET3 blowing his shock.

Vital has become so base. Blush

Lock up your women and children.

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ILoveMoto wrote:

So today we learned the difference between failed and fell. And they told me this board was not educational 😋

Now, if we could only teach the difference between "sale" and "sell" as well as "lose" and "loose". Once we get that straightened out, we could...

Now, if we could only teach the difference between "sale" and "sell" as well as "lose" and "loose".

Once we get that straightened out, we could teach the media that there is a suffix "-er" in the English language that means "more" of the word it is added to. Get so tired of hearing a bike is "more fast", "more tall" or more whatever (insert facepalm emoji here). 

Sounds like a job for Falcon.

I'll lend you mine!

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2/4/2024 6:26pm

What if it was the rebound shims that failed?

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brocster wrote:

Talking shims has found to be too technical.  Let’s just say Tomac blew his rear shock, more than likely on the OJ.  

Good grief. First a thread about RC sucking off Tomac and now ET3 blowing his shock. Vital has become so base.  Lock up your women and...

Good grief.

First a thread about RC sucking off Tomac and now ET3 blowing his shock.

Vital has become so base. Blush

Lock up your women and children.

I prefer, Vital has become baser!

😉

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OldTech wrote:

What if it was the rebound shims that failed?

Boom!!!

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I had seen this last night after the main 

I had seen this last night after the main IMG 5928

The squeaky sound is the check valve in the shock... 

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Cygrace74 wrote:
I had seen this last night after the main 

I had seen this last night after the main IMG 5928

dv12.com wrote:

The squeaky sound is the check valve in the shock... 

How dare you come in here with facts. Don’t you know that without rampant speculation and rumor, Vital’s servers will crash?Laughing

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2/4/2024 6:57pm Edited Date/Time 2/4/2024 6:58pm
ILoveMoto wrote:

So today we learned the difference between failed and fell. And they told me this board was not educational 😋

Now, if we could only teach the difference between "sale" and "sell" as well as "lose" and "loose". Once we get that straightened out, we could...

Now, if we could only teach the difference between "sale" and "sell" as well as "lose" and "loose".

Once we get that straightened out, we could teach the media that there is a suffix "-er" in the English language that means "more" of the word it is added to. Get so tired of hearing a bike is "more fast", "more tall" or more whatever (insert facepalm emoji here). 

Sounds like a job for Falcon.

I’ll go aks somebody, so I can get it acrossed right…

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2/4/2024 7:31pm
ILoveMoto wrote:

So today we learned the difference between failed and fell. And they told me this board was not educational 😋

Now, if we could only teach the difference between "sale" and "sell" as well as "lose" and "loose". Once we get that straightened out, we could...

Now, if we could only teach the difference between "sale" and "sell" as well as "lose" and "loose".

Once we get that straightened out, we could teach the media that there is a suffix "-er" in the English language that means "more" of the word it is added to. Get so tired of hearing a bike is "more fast", "more tall" or more whatever (insert facepalm emoji here). 

Sounds like a job for Falcon.

PNWMXer wrote:

I’ll go aks somebody, so I can get it acrossed right…

Is dat somebody down da skreet from you?

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Aaaah, so that's it - the seat was uncomfortable.

Good call. Wouldn't want to end up with a "McAdoo", you know? Cool

 

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2/4/2024 7:38pm
valveless wrote:

Real respectful of Eli (if it truly was a bike issue) to let his fans know. 

I'll say it once more, you're not a fan. Every Saturday in the race thread all you do is trash him. 

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2/4/2024 9:47pm

Time for Star to buy a trophy truck shock Dyno. 

 

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2/4/2024 10:49pm Edited Date/Time 2/4/2024 10:50pm
Cygrace74 wrote:
I had seen this last night after the main 

I had seen this last night after the main IMG 5928

That noise is from a check valve in the shock 

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Tyler D wrote:

Time for Star to buy a trophy truck shock Dyno. 

 

I don't think I've ever seen a tour of Star's suspension department- but I would absolutely bet they've got a Penske suspension dyno.  

Back when Cliff White was still at HRC, he put a shock on their new their dyno but didn't adjust for the top out spring.  Pretty interesting to watch a dyno pull a shock apart at 200m/s.   

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2/5/2024 2:43am Edited Date/Time 2/5/2024 8:13am

Ok I don’t get this. How does this happen? Setup was great last year, the bike is the same, endless laps at the test track, and now there’s a problem? I understand these guys always tweaking things and looking for more at that level but damn, if it’s not broke make sure you break it?

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