Jett has “it”

1/23/2023 6:22am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2023 6:24am
Whatever you have to tell yourself. People put too much emphasis on the 250 class. Jett’s great, but many, many guys have been the next hero...

Whatever you have to tell yourself. People put too much emphasis on the 250 class. Jett’s great, but many, many guys have been the next hero in Jett’s shoes and they didn’t deliver on the big bike. Jett doesn’t compare at this point in his career to guys like RC, James, RV, Reed, etc. He’s not touching MC or RC’s records. That’s crazy talk. 

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Afterbar loves to hate on jett. 1st you say don't put emphasis on the 250 class. Then you say ohhh he doesn't compare at this point...

Afterbar loves to hate on jett.

1st you say don't put emphasis on the 250 class.

Then you say ohhh he doesn't compare at this point in his career?

So what is it? 250s don't matter or they do?

At 19 years and 5months old jett has 3 titles and however many race wins.

At that same age only stewart is more successful. 

If jett wins this sx series. He will be the second youngest rider to 4 titles.

Before jett came along most fans would say. Coz of the facilities and the way the riders train

No1 can do what stew done.

No1 can do what Carmichael done. 

Jetts almost doing it and some ppl just wanna hate on it.

Maybe Jett went pro 2 young. Maybe he should have waited till he was 17 like rc and RV.

Ignore his rookie season, reassess his stats and see how he compares.

He is still going 450 full-time at a younger age then rc and RV. And like 6 months older then stew.

 

I'm not trying to say Jett is better or anything like that. But he is the only rider with comparable stats.and in all sports every1 tries to compare the modern star to past champions.

Only James was more successful? RV and RC won all three of their first 250 MX titles. RC won every race his second SX season then...

Only James was more successful?

RV and RC won all three of their first 250 MX titles. RC won every race his second SX season then moved up. Go back and compare wins and you will see that Jett was not as successful as those mentioned. I don’t love to hate on Jett. He’s a phenomenal rider and has a great career ahead of him, but I can’t stand his fans that disregard facts to overhype him. Seeing people say he will break MC’s and RC’s records is laughable. Unlike you, I’m not willing to add a bunch of caveats for Jett to fit a narrative. I’m going off results. Not the fact that Jett started a few months earlier. 

Stats aside he's the most deserving of hype since RV not that hype is a contest anyway, I have 2 eyes and have watched many come through since the 90s, Jett is the real deal I don't think I've seen a more complete rider at his age since I've been watching the sport, I don't mean fastest, I mean his mental the fact he learns from mistakes, manages his rides like Tomac is doing the past 2 years.

He might get bored and pack it up early but if he goes to 30 years old breaking records is possible.

Barring injury and if he rides til 30 thats 170 starts.

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1/23/2023 6:55am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2023 7:01am
Stats aside he's the most deserving of hype since RV not that hype is a contest anyway, I have 2 eyes and have watched many come...

Stats aside he's the most deserving of hype since RV not that hype is a contest anyway, I have 2 eyes and have watched many come through since the 90s, Jett is the real deal I don't think I've seen a more complete rider at his age since I've been watching the sport, I don't mean fastest, I mean his mental the fact he learns from mistakes, manages his rides like Tomac is doing the past 2 years.

He might get bored and pack it up early but if he goes to 30 years old breaking records is possible.

Barring injury and if he rides til 30 thats 170 starts.

He has plenty of time to do it and time will tell. He’s 9 championships away from beating RC’s outdoor records and 8 away from MC’s SX record. Wins are one thing. Championships are another. I don’t see those records being broken in the current era of racing, but that’s just my opinion. 

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He has plenty of time to do it and time will tell. He’s 9 championships away from beating RC’s outdoor records and 8 away from MC’s...

He has plenty of time to do it and time will tell. He’s 9 championships away from beating RC’s outdoor records and 8 away from MC’s SX record. Wins are one thing. Championships are another. I don’t see those records being broken in the current era of racing, but that’s just my opinion. 

Championships might be more likely than win totals.

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I'm a huge Jett fan. He's dominated the East Coast and so far he's handling the West rather easily. Most of the dominant racers of the past have been competitive starting their first race/season in SX. If he comes out and podiums his first couple of races in 450, he can move up the winner board easily. If he comes out and struggles in the top 10, most of those guys don't go from relative mediocrity to championship contender. Webb is the most bizarre of guys that have done that. He was pretty dominant the year he won, and he was also REALLY bad when he wasn't winning. 

 

Jett also seems like he thoroughly enjoys what he does, has a solid head on his shoulders and takes care of business when it's needed. His racing is mature beyond his age. 

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McGrath was light years (well, more like close to a decade ahead of his competitors progression wise) when he came in to the premire supercross class in 1993.

Jett is a notch above the guys he is racing now. He will have years of domination I am sure, but I don't think anyone ever again will win 72 SX wins. Simply because the progression of the sport is so advanced and the difference between pros is pretty marginal. 

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1/23/2023 12:36pm

He’s the only guy in the next 20 years that could break MC and RC’s records. 

72 wins will never be broken. Nothing else to say there, just flat out riders are not willing to risk it for as many races as it takes to break that record anymore.

As far as RC titles. As mentioned, he would have to win 12 more titles to even tie RC. Also RC won 10 titles IN A ROW. 

Its ridiculous to talk about someone who has never even raced a premier class event yet and compare them to the greatest riders in the sports history. 

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Is it impossible? No. But is it improbable? Yes. Those two were so far ahead of the competition back then they were in a different league. 

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1/23/2023 3:44pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2023 3:46pm

He’s the only guy in the next 20 years that could break MC and RC’s records. 

72 wins will never be broken. Nothing else to say there, just flat out riders are not willing to risk it for as many races as...

72 wins will never be broken. Nothing else to say there, just flat out riders are not willing to risk it for as many races as it takes to break that record anymore.

As far as RC titles. As mentioned, he would have to win 12 more titles to even tie RC. Also RC won 10 titles IN A ROW. 

Its ridiculous to talk about someone who has never even raced a premier class event yet and compare them to the greatest riders in the sports history. 

I believe it would be 13 titles to tie RC


splitting hairs, I know

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jambalaya wrote:

He should already be in the 450 class. Sing his praise to me when he’s fighting for podiums there 

He won’t be fighting for podiums. If he keeps winning in the West and gets a sizable lead, he will race some of the 450 east coast rounds. I got money he podiums when he does. 
 

SX comes natural to him. Everyone else looks like they are literally hammering and he looks like he’s on a Sunday stroll. 

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1/23/2023 8:13pm

Where is Jett on the all time podium list in his 3rd yr ? Damon Huffman has that record. If not for landing on Shane’s bike and sticking the landing riding double . That would hv bend the 1st perfect season. 

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ALL records are breakable.  Remember that.

24-0 is not breakable. Can’t even be tied now.

Not now, but things change. At some point we my have a 13 race outdoors.

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Jett will win and win a lot...  But he isn't breaking those records.  The gap to the field is not what it was, especially in McGrath's days.  When he hits the 450 class, suddenly there are 5 guys that can run his speed every week...

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1/24/2023 4:47am
Press516 wrote:
Jett will win and win a lot...  But he isn't breaking those records.  The gap to the field is not what it was, especially in McGrath's...

Jett will win and win a lot...  But he isn't breaking those records.  The gap to the field is not what it was, especially in McGrath's days.  When he hits the 450 class, suddenly there are 5 guys that can run his speed every week...

Who are those 5 do you think?

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It’s certainly going to be exciting if this kid starts winning right out of the first gate in 2024. When is the last time we’ve seen something like that, 1993?

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It’s certainly going to be exciting if this kid starts winning right out of the first gate in 2024. When is the last time we’ve seen...

It’s certainly going to be exciting if this kid starts winning right out of the first gate in 2024. When is the last time we’ve seen something like that, 1993?

Winning right out of the gate? Dungey's 2010 rookie season. 

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It’s certainly going to be exciting if this kid starts winning right out of the first gate in 2024. When is the last time we’ve seen...

It’s certainly going to be exciting if this kid starts winning right out of the first gate in 2024. When is the last time we’ve seen something like that, 1993?

Roczen won the first 450 SX of his rookie season in ‘14. He did do Daytona the year prior on a 350 if I recall correctly. 

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It’s certainly going to be exciting if this kid starts winning right out of the first gate in 2024. When is the last time we’ve seen...

It’s certainly going to be exciting if this kid starts winning right out of the first gate in 2024. When is the last time we’ve seen something like that, 1993?

Ferrandis won his rookie mx season. Or we just talking sx.

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It’s certainly going to be exciting if this kid starts winning right out of the first gate in 2024. When is the last time we’ve seen...

It’s certainly going to be exciting if this kid starts winning right out of the first gate in 2024. When is the last time we’ve seen something like that, 1993?

Roczen won the first 450 SX of his rookie season in ‘14. He did do Daytona the year prior on a 350 if I recall correctly. 

He also did a 450 race on a 350 in 2012. And he nearly won that race there, but got second to Andrew Short (was Seattle I think). He was frikkin 16 years old at that point.

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It’s certainly going to be exciting if this kid starts winning right out of the first gate in 2024. When is the last time we’ve seen...

It’s certainly going to be exciting if this kid starts winning right out of the first gate in 2024. When is the last time we’ve seen something like that, 1993?

Roczen won the first 450 SX of his rookie season in ‘14. He did do Daytona the year prior on a 350 if I recall correctly. 

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He also did a 450 race on a 350 in 2012. And he nearly won that race there, but got second to Andrew Short (was Seattle...

He also did a 450 race on a 350 in 2012. And he nearly won that race there, but got second to Andrew Short (was Seattle I think). He was frikkin 16 years old at that point.

Kenny is born in 94. That race was a week before his 18th birthday.

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Roczen won the first 450 SX of his rookie season in ‘14. He did do Daytona the year prior on a 350 if I recall correctly. 

Mavetism wrote:
He also did a 450 race on a 350 in 2012. And he nearly won that race there, but got second to Andrew Short (was Seattle...

He also did a 450 race on a 350 in 2012. And he nearly won that race there, but got second to Andrew Short (was Seattle I think). He was frikkin 16 years old at that point.

mx313 wrote:

Kenny is born in 94. That race was a week before his 18th birthday.

Oh you're right of course. He was 17, still impressive though.

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Has a 250 rider taken part in opening ceremonies before?

I can't recall if James did or not.

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I don’t get why it’s so controversial to say that the greats were generally 3 and out regardless of their age. 
 

what is he proving to himself by cake walking through this class?

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jambalaya wrote:
I don’t get why it’s so controversial to say that the greats were generally 3 and out regardless of their age.    what is he proving...

I don’t get why it’s so controversial to say that the greats were generally 3 and out regardless of their age. 
 

what is he proving to himself by cake walking through this class?

Maybe his lack of Supercross experience (little to none) before going to the US has something to do with one more SX season in the 250 class.  Source...I don't have one but I have read that somewhere.

 

He is going to 450s this year for MX.

I'm guessing that fact alone puts him out of contention for any 250cc Supermegamotosupercross title...making the whole sandbagging argument moot.

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1/24/2023 8:25pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2023 8:26pm

I forgot I started this thread, I was hammered on Saturday night.  I said he COULD break those records, but he probably has about a 5% chance of doing it.  Just based on the current active pros, if anyone will do it will be Jeff.  I mean Jett. 

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jambalaya wrote:
I don’t get why it’s so controversial to say that the greats were generally 3 and out regardless of their age.    what is he proving...

I don’t get why it’s so controversial to say that the greats were generally 3 and out regardless of their age. 
 

what is he proving to himself by cake walking through this class?

Most of these greats have all been older tho. So saying regardless of their age isn't a good guide.

Pretty much only stew and pastrana have been 3 years or less and 19 years old or less.

Rc and RV started at 17. Raced 3 years and went full-time 450 at 20. (Yes rc raced a 450/250sx b4 dropping back for 250/125 mx)

Jett will be 450 at 19. And 3.5 seasons.

Some1 like eli started at 17. Raced 3.5 seasons and went 450 at 21.

No 2 riders are the same.

Times change a rider in 2023 shouldn't following the career path from a guy who Raced in 2000.

Riders mature at different ages.

Rc keeps saying he wished he stayed 125 longer. 

Jett will be 450 at 19. He will still have plenty of years to race 450s.

You guys are just sad coz you can't wait to see how he stacks up.

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1/24/2023 11:56pm
jambalaya wrote:
I don’t get why it’s so controversial to say that the greats were generally 3 and out regardless of their age.    what is he proving...

I don’t get why it’s so controversial to say that the greats were generally 3 and out regardless of their age. 
 

what is he proving to himself by cake walking through this class?

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Maybe his lack of Supercross experience (little to none) before going to the US has something to do with one more SX season in the 250...

Maybe his lack of Supercross experience (little to none) before going to the US has something to do with one more SX season in the 250 class.  Source...I don't have one but I have read that somewhere.

 

He is going to 450s this year for MX.

I'm guessing that fact alone puts him out of contention for any 250cc Supermegamotosupercross title...making the whole sandbagging argument moot.

‘Experience’

Jett will have turned sooooo many laps on a SX track these past three seasons and off-seasons, that I really cannot see that another six races riding unchallenged is gaining him any more ‘experience’. 
if he doesn’t know what he needs to know now, he never will. 
 

the real experience he needs is of his competitors- Gate drops in the 450 class right now would be valuable experience. Whereas in the 250 class right now all he’s doing is burning gas & getting a workout.

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1/25/2023 1:08am

Honda want the West 250 championship and Jett is following best advice.

No real downside, no real hurry and a full off season to learn and set up the 450 for SX after getting to know it Outdoors. Seems like a safe plan.

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jambalaya wrote:
I don’t get why it’s so controversial to say that the greats were generally 3 and out regardless of their age.    what is he proving...

I don’t get why it’s so controversial to say that the greats were generally 3 and out regardless of their age. 
 

what is he proving to himself by cake walking through this class?

gerg wrote:
Maybe his lack of Supercross experience (little to none) before going to the US has something to do with one more SX season in the 250...

Maybe his lack of Supercross experience (little to none) before going to the US has something to do with one more SX season in the 250 class.  Source...I don't have one but I have read that somewhere.

 

He is going to 450s this year for MX.

I'm guessing that fact alone puts him out of contention for any 250cc Supermegamotosupercross title...making the whole sandbagging argument moot.

‘Experience’ Jett will have turned sooooo many laps on a SX track these past three seasons and off-seasons, that I really cannot see that another six...

‘Experience’

Jett will have turned sooooo many laps on a SX track these past three seasons and off-seasons, that I really cannot see that another six races riding unchallenged is gaining him any more ‘experience’. 
if he doesn’t know what he needs to know now, he never will. 
 

the real experience he needs is of his competitors- Gate drops in the 450 class right now would be valuable experience. Whereas in the 250 class right now all he’s doing is burning gas & getting a workout.

Yep that's a great reply and agree after some pondering.

 

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1/25/2023 2:49am Edited Date/Time 1/25/2023 2:52am
Honda want the West 250 championship and Jett is following best advice. No real downside, no real hurry and a full off season to learn and...

Honda want the West 250 championship and Jett is following best advice.

No real downside, no real hurry and a full off season to learn and set up the 450 for SX after getting to know it Outdoors. Seems like a safe plan.

 Do VERi  ,  BBB and VMX  (and much more) mean anything to you, Peter?

 

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