AMA EnduroCross 2023 - Jonny Walker dominating everybody on a 2 Stroke Beta!

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Edited Date/Time 10/25/2023 12:47pm

Not MX, but I really feel EX should be bigger. It is awesome

On his bike and plans. He is the reignin Champion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKWlILxaN54

EnduroCross Youtube Channel small highlights and presentation of the new season
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzZEsLJHHDE

Round 2 highlights not uploaded yet, but Walker is vlogging his trip to america
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwULVqPpZzQ

Cant beat Billy Bolt in Europe tho... hehe. 
BTW... Mani is racing SuperEnduro 24.

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10/25/2023 8:01pm

Johnny makes up alot of time in the rocks on his light 2 stroke. His bike is the best sounding out there.

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One of the Beauties of Enduro Cross - you can run what you brung. 

As far as I know, there are no BS 'handicapping' rules.

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10/25/2023 10:51pm
Bearuno wrote:

One of the Beauties of Enduro Cross - you can run what you brung. 

As far as I know, there are no BS 'handicapping' rules.

"As far as I know, there are no BS 'handicapping' rules."

What an interesting and unique concept. Surprised no one thought of it before.

If only someone at the AMA could learn about it...

Cool

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Bearuno wrote:

One of the Beauties of Enduro Cross - you can run what you brung. 

As far as I know, there are no BS 'handicapping' rules.

"As far as I know, there are no BS 'handicapping' rules." What an interesting and unique concept. Surprised no one thought of it before. If only...

"As far as I know, there are no BS 'handicapping' rules."

What an interesting and unique concept. Surprised no one thought of it before.

If only someone at the AMA could learn about it...

Cool

DC has an great example of Equivalency in one of his 'other' series / businesses,  the GNCC.

The Pro XC1and XC2 classes allow it, and the World is yet to end.

Strange that....

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10/26/2023 2:24am
Bearuno wrote:

One of the Beauties of Enduro Cross - you can run what you brung. 

As far as I know, there are no BS 'handicapping' rules.

"As far as I know, there are no BS 'handicapping' rules." What an interesting and unique concept. Surprised no one thought of it before. If only...

"As far as I know, there are no BS 'handicapping' rules."

What an interesting and unique concept. Surprised no one thought of it before.

If only someone at the AMA could learn about it...

Cool

Bearuno wrote:
DC has an great example of Equivalency in one of his 'other' series / businesses,  the GNCC. The Pro XC1and XC2 classes allow it, and the...

DC has an great example of Equivalency in one of his 'other' series / businesses,  the GNCC.

The Pro XC1and XC2 classes allow it, and the World is yet to end.

Strange that....

Not a production series.

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10/26/2023 3:22am Edited Date/Time 10/26/2023 4:01am
ando wrote:

Not a production series.

Do you see a whole lot of Prototype / Full On Works bikes in GNCC?

Now, do have a look for such a Thing, or Things in GNCC, if you want to fall back on your "Not A Production Series" line. 

That Cycle News YouTube KTM250(s) video I put up elsewhere, is a good comparison. Have a look, if that's not too much trouble for you.

Both bikes representing current production bikes of the 2 ICE types, and both representing Modern Engines, Electronics and Inductions.

And neither wiping the floor with each other.

Just different types, with different styles of power. 

Now, a 2t can have a bit more outright horsepower and torque than an equivalent capacity  Modern 4T, but it's over a narrower, range, and with  a hell of a lot of Less revs available to it.

Different things, but each now reaching the same relative performance.

You're Australian? - You go to races here? If you do, you would , therefore, know that 4ts still dominate, but having a mix, makes things great. 'Mono Culture' Classes suck.

Pathetic, P**s poor rules, that were only valid in the infancy of the 'modern' 4 stroke,   need to be gone, at the highest levels of both AMA Pro racing, and the MXGP and MX2 class's,  for the good of the sport. 

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ando wrote:

Not a production series.

Bearuno wrote:
Do you see a whole lot of Prototype / Full On Works bikes in GNCC? Now, do have a look for such a Thing, or Things...

Do you see a whole lot of Prototype / Full On Works bikes in GNCC?

Now, do have a look for such a Thing, or Things in GNCC, if you want to fall back on your "Not A Production Series" line. 

That Cycle News YouTube KTM250(s) video I put up elsewhere, is a good comparison. Have a look, if that's not too much trouble for you.

Both bikes representing current production bikes of the 2 ICE types, and both representing Modern Engines, Electronics and Inductions.

And neither wiping the floor with each other.

Just different types, with different styles of power. 

Now, a 2t can have a bit more outright horsepower and torque than an equivalent capacity  Modern 4T, but it's over a narrower, range, and with  a hell of a lot of Less revs available to it.

Different things, but each now reaching the same relative performance.

You're Australian? - You go to races here? If you do, you would , therefore, know that 4ts still dominate, but having a mix, makes things great. 'Mono Culture' Classes suck.

Pathetic, P**s poor rules, that were only valid in the infancy of the 'modern' 4 stroke,   need to be gone, at the highest levels of both AMA Pro racing, and the MXGP and MX2 class's,  for the good of the sport. 

Racing didn’t suck for the 25-30 years when there were only 2 strokes and no choice of any other option.  The “choice” argument only came out when four strokes took off.

Again, I’m not opposed to 2 strokes.  In fact I’m just about to sell my 250F to buy a KTM 200 for off road and enduro riding and racing.

It’s naive to think that for arguably the most prestigious MX/SX series in the world, heavily supported and in fact reliant on OEM support, which is a production based series with enforced homologation rules, that the OEM’s don’t have a strong vested interest in maintaining continuity and consistency of rules that protect their investment.

 

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10/26/2023 5:30am

i dont know how they expect to grow an audience if they never post highlight videos or anything. people don’t even know it exists.

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10/26/2023 6:13am Edited Date/Time 10/26/2023 6:15am
Bearuno wrote:

One of the Beauties of Enduro Cross - you can run what you brung. 

As far as I know, there are no BS 'handicapping' rules.

I don't follow endurocross very closely, but I seem to recall they banned trials bikes because they were beating the enduro bikes? I get what you are saying, but not exactly run what you brung.

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10/26/2023 9:38am Edited Date/Time 10/26/2023 9:40am
GrapeApe wrote:
I don't follow endurocross very closely, but I seem to recall they banned trials bikes because they were beating the enduro bikes? I get what you...

I don't follow endurocross very closely, but I seem to recall they banned trials bikes because they were beating the enduro bikes? I get what you are saying, but not exactly run what you brung.

I think they banned Trials bikes ( with Enduro bikes - They still have Trials Bike classes?)  in the US series. At the clubman / sportsman level, yes, they can represent a quite an advantage. At the top Pro level, with the speeds and obstacles they now have, I don't think they'd be able to best an Enduro bike set up for Endurocross*   /Super Enduro*.

They might have banned them  in The Euro series - of that I'm not sure. Though, I think it might have been a bit of a clash, or maybe co-operation ( to avoid the clash) between Indoor trials and the 'new' ( way back when) Endurocross  / Super Enduro section of the sport

I Do think Trials Tyres were banned quite early.

I do remember seeing video of Toni Bou and Adam Raga quite a few years ago, with both of them, especially Bou, going absolutely ballistic on their Trials bikes, on a Fast EX / Super Enduro course. To the extent that it was somewhat frightening to watch.

* * If he ever gets bored with endless World Trials Championships / Indoor Championships, and decides he might try something new, I think Toni Bou could do quite well (an understatement) in Super Enduro ( on a EX / SE Bike) , to put it mildly. He seems to have no trouble with Speed, that some Trials riders have, when they try to transition to EX / SE. Mind you, as we all know, EX / SE is  dominated, for the most part, by former trials riders. Though, I'd say Bou is set for life, and has no need to race seriously, after he retires. It may be a small sport, but Honda very much values him , and his now (currently), 33 World Titles. 

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10/26/2023 10:15am Edited Date/Time 10/26/2023 10:17am

Took mine out today at lunch. 72 degrees in late October!

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10/26/2023 10:53am

Oh look another thread to whine about the homologation rule that none of the manufacturers seem to care about....

Can someone point me to where Sherco or Rieju or another manufacturer has said they'd compete in AMA racing if it wasn't for this rule?

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10/26/2023 11:42am

I know Johnnys bike will be jetted to perfection, but every Beta 2 stroke I see, at local races or tracks, are the crispest sounding 2 stroke motors I’ve ever heard.  They sound like the ultimate 2 stroke.  Never rode one but the sound alone I just have a feeling they’ve got an amazing powerplant. 

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I've seen it yesterday some EnduroCross live on MAVTV, it was a fun watch.

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Teejay wrote:
I know Johnnys bike will be jetted to perfection, but every Beta 2 stroke I see, at local races or tracks, are the crispest sounding 2...

I know Johnnys bike will be jetted to perfection, but every Beta 2 stroke I see, at local races or tracks, are the crispest sounding 2 stroke motors I’ve ever heard.  They sound like the ultimate 2 stroke.  Never rode one but the sound alone I just have a feeling they’ve got an amazing powerplant. 

We are a dealer and in the US anyway they come jetted very close. Fire off quick even out of the crate and run very crisp.

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10/28/2023 7:17pm
GrapeApe wrote:
I don't follow endurocross very closely, but I seem to recall they banned trials bikes because they were beating the enduro bikes? I get what you...

I don't follow endurocross very closely, but I seem to recall they banned trials bikes because they were beating the enduro bikes? I get what you are saying, but not exactly run what you brung.

Bearuno wrote:
I think they banned Trials bikes ( with Enduro bikes - They still have Trials Bike classes?)  in the US series. At the clubman / sportsman...

I think they banned Trials bikes ( with Enduro bikes - They still have Trials Bike classes?)  in the US series. At the clubman / sportsman level, yes, they can represent a quite an advantage. At the top Pro level, with the speeds and obstacles they now have, I don't think they'd be able to best an Enduro bike set up for Endurocross*   /Super Enduro*.

They might have banned them  in The Euro series - of that I'm not sure. Though, I think it might have been a bit of a clash, or maybe co-operation ( to avoid the clash) between Indoor trials and the 'new' ( way back when) Endurocross  / Super Enduro section of the sport

I Do think Trials Tyres were banned quite early.

I do remember seeing video of Toni Bou and Adam Raga quite a few years ago, with both of them, especially Bou, going absolutely ballistic on their Trials bikes, on a Fast EX / Super Enduro course. To the extent that it was somewhat frightening to watch.

* * If he ever gets bored with endless World Trials Championships / Indoor Championships, and decides he might try something new, I think Toni Bou could do quite well (an understatement) in Super Enduro ( on a EX / SE Bike) , to put it mildly. He seems to have no trouble with Speed, that some Trials riders have, when they try to transition to EX / SE. Mind you, as we all know, EX / SE is  dominated, for the most part, by former trials riders. Though, I'd say Bou is set for life, and has no need to race seriously, after he retires. It may be a small sport, but Honda very much values him , and his now (currently), 33 World Titles. 

Bou is one of the greatest motorcycle competitors of all time. Agostini, Robert, Bou? Cervantes?

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LungButter wrote:
Oh look another thread to whine about the homologation rule that none of the manufacturers seem to care about.... Can someone point me to where Sherco...

Oh look another thread to whine about the homologation rule that none of the manufacturers seem to care about....

Can someone point me to where Sherco or Rieju or another manufacturer has said they'd compete in AMA racing if it wasn't for this rule?

The homologation rules are shit.

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