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Seem maybe they have done this (user lower bar mounts) to not change the triple clamp since it has more overall height then 2019+ OEM clamp?
Took the picture in the garage after the training today, so seem to get the same height you need to run the lower bar mounts (which also was Xtrig seem to be using in all their videos).
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I also got this info from Xtrig today, which i think is not giving the full picture of handlebar height after mounting Xtrig
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Rocs on 2019 chassi:
KTM OEM 38mm
PHDS 41mm
Fix 29mm
Fix + 10mm is also 1mm higher then STD.
PHDS 3mm higher then STD.
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I will need to remove and mount the clamps during week and measure the exact height from ground to see exact impact, but you say you measured 10mm?
My own calc shows the same, but that is not what Xtrig says. I have replied them and asked why/if not they take the metal spacer and the 5mm lower mount point (2019 chassi) of bars into consideration when they say the above. No reply yet on that.
If im sure it is 10mm difference, i will just order the Pro tape bar that is 69mm. But i want to be sure, so i dont end up with 3-5mm to low bar with the 69mm. Super picky about bar height. I could of course order 3-5mm spacers from Xtrig
I will measure my stuff tonight or tomorrow, but the handlebar is another 5mm lower mounted from 2018.5 chassi and onward (i remember reading when they released the bike) and it does not come from different bar bend. Either it i frame angle, or triple clamp.
When i rode it, if felt way more than 5mm difference but could be wrong.
I also see now that the new Xtrig FlexFix is 5mm lower than the PHDS system. So maybe they came up with that since there is no way of lowering the PHDS?
https://luxonmx.com/product-luxon-ktm-husqvarna-bar-mounts.html
More info:
https://luxonmx.com/blog-luxon-bar-mount-fix-ktm-husqvarna-twisting.html
Have you done any vibration reduction testing between these and phds?
What I liked about the phds was that they took away slot of vibration. Always felt like other bikes vibrated more with OEM setup?
Just feel like there was no way just 2.5+3mm was all it was taller when I tested the xtrig and phds on my ktm. Felt more like 10 or 10+mm...?
The KTM OEM clamps are the same geometry 2016 to current as far as where the bar mounts are placed.
The flexfix from xtrig is 5mm lower than phds. Wonder where that number comes from. If it is like you say, then if I would use the 2.5mm metal spacer and the xtrig rocs I would still be 2.5mm short. (Forget previous text, edit)
Overall height is 235mm (or 234 but blade is ~1mm) vs 240 for rocs, say 5mm. That does NOT include the 2.5mm spacer. So rocs + phds adds 7.5mm in height if installed nthe way xtrig wants with the spacer below top triple clamp. Bottom picture with full clamp is xtrig rocs. On bike is the factory triple clamp.
Pit Row
Freaking lot of work for running non OEM setup 😄
Im interested in testing the triple clamp as well. Are they stiffer than the KTM factory clamps that i have now?
Feeling of Xtrig Rocs was, lets just say, not satisfactory.
Regarding the stiffness question, that's actually a rather complex topic. Stiffness is a directional quantity. The real question is "are they stiffer, and in which direction(s)?" An ideal clamp is nearly completely rigid in torsion (turning) and in vertical (fork compression direction) so you end up with precise steering and retain fork alignment in a bump. But it will be appropriately flexible laterally and (primarily) longitudinally for comfort. These goals are somewhat conflicting, but achievable to an extent.
A lot of people think the stock KTM clamps (the black ones) are rigid. That's actually backwards from reality. The stock KTM clamps are super flexible. So much that they allow fork misalignment which causes binding resulting in a harsher ride. They're also pretty sloppy in torsion and don't give a precise feel in corners.
The newer KTM factory clamps (same as the KTM Powerparts clamps) are stiffer than the regular stock KTM clamps in all directions except slightly less laterally (this is due to the split clamp feature). This is largely a good thing and the result is a good feeling clamp on the track. They're also split, which allows a smoother bend of the fork, which results in a smoother stroke of the fork and less binding. This all results in a more plush ride, despite the clamps actually being more rigid.
Relative the the KTM Factory (PowerParts) clamps, our new Gen2 clamps are very slightly less stiff longitudinally, which gives a bit more comfort, a good deal stiffer in torsion, bump, and laterally, which keeps the forks well aligned and creates a precise steering feel. They're also split, so you get that benefit too.
I don't have any numbers for the Xtrig clamps, so I can't comment specifically on those. I can comment on the split, though. They're only split on the outer section. You'll notice that the KTM Factory clamp and ours are actually split around the entire inside diameter. There's a reason for that!
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