Very subjective question (Best suspension company)

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Ok guys I’m looking to get my suspension done front and rear. Not an a-kit, or even coating.

I currently have WP xact air fork with Lanier internal valve stopper kit inside.

I want my bike to work amazing at Glen Helen lol.. that roughness and chop etc.. the other places like Elsinore/Perris/lacr are flat and don’t get that rough, so I’m not that concerned.

Anyway with that stated, when I was younger Schmidt performance came to milestone and made some adjustments to my 01 yz250f that was fucking amazing and made milestone ride like a dream.

So that brings me back to my main question, which company can make this happen for a reasonable amount? Pros and cons for each from experience?

I’m currently looking at:
1. Schmidt performance - based on a past experience
2. Lanier suspension - my other buddies recommendation
3. Factory connection - buddy swears up and down by them and I mean they’re big time
4. Race tech - I’ve heard pros and cons of their stuff
5. Enzo - last time I rode a friends bike with his stuff on it was 05 at the old Elsinore, it seemed ok, but wasn’t set up for me.
6. Too tech - I always see it on desert bikes, dunno about mx
7. Pro circuit - would they even touch my husky stuff?
8. Kyb- don’t know anything about their stuff honestly
9. AEO - don’t know much about there stuff, just seen it on some bikes
10. Shock therapy - saw it on the side of a truck, are they any good?

Anyhow some detailed information would be greatly appreciated.

Thankyou for taking the time to read this.
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I’ve never used any of the names you listed, but have heard good things about most of them, and bad things about a couple. When it comes to suspension tuning, you have to be honest about weight, skill, and type of riding (not sayin you won’t be, but have seen peoples egos get in the way of proper suspension set up) when communicating with your chosen tuner. Try to find one you can talk to and maybe test their product. My tuner is at the track regularly and the off-road races. He usually has “demo” forks he can swap out or a bike he has tuned the suspension to allow people to sample their work before making the decision.

One name I would add to you list for consideration is Ride JBI. If I lived in Southern California, he would be my first choice.
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You’re in SoCal like me, yeah? Also: Age, weight, ability?

I’ve used Graeme Brough (closest to you if Temple City still your location), AHM Factory Services, and Shock Therapy through the years: Would recommend all again. My Dad’s 60+ and had good results with Too Tech. Best advice is to be honest with whoever you choose, and don’t be afraid to fine tune/tweak to “perfection”. Often, tuners can get you 90% of the way there, and a couple clicks, preload, HS will make it even better any given ride day...Keep us updated and good luck with your search!
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8/25/2022 10:26am Edited Date/Time 8/25/2022 10:29am
Motodave15 wrote:
Ok guys I’m looking to get my suspension done front and rear. Not an a-kit, or even coating. I currently have WP xact air fork with...
Ok guys I’m looking to get my suspension done front and rear. Not an a-kit, or even coating.

I currently have WP xact air fork with Lanier internal valve stopper kit inside.

I want my bike to work amazing at Glen Helen lol.. that roughness and chop etc.. the other places like Elsinore/Perris/lacr are flat and don’t get that rough, so I’m not that concerned.

Anyway with that stated, when I was younger Schmidt performance came to milestone and made some adjustments to my 01 yz250f that was fucking amazing and made milestone ride like a dream.

So that brings me back to my main question, which company can make this happen for a reasonable amount? Pros and cons for each from experience?

I’m currently looking at:
1. Schmidt performance - based on a past experience
2. Lanier suspension - my other buddies recommendation
3. Factory connection - buddy swears up and down by them and I mean they’re big time
4. Race tech - I’ve heard pros and cons of their stuff
5. Enzo - last time I rode a friends bike with his stuff on it was 05 at the old Elsinore, it seemed ok, but wasn’t set up for me.
6. Too tech - I always see it on desert bikes, dunno about mx
7. Pro circuit - would they even touch my husky stuff?
8. Kyb- don’t know anything about their stuff honestly
9. AEO - don’t know much about there stuff, just seen it on some bikes
10. Shock therapy - saw it on the side of a truck, are they any good?

Anyhow some detailed information would be greatly appreciated.

Thankyou for taking the time to read this.
1. Schmidt Performance. I like being able to talk directly to Dave and he is an easy guy to get a hold of.
6. Too Tech, I've seen Rick Johnson at GH a lot. Don't let the desert set ups keep you away. I used him quite a while back and he did a great job on a CR250.

I've had good experience with Race Tech but have heard it doesn't always gel with some people.
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WP stuff I would look into Powerband racing. My buddy had AEO do his suspension (cones and trax) and sent it back twice and it still wasn’t right so he got ride of the bike and got a Honda. He loved my suspension (cones and trax), but mine was done at Powerband and he rode it after he got rid of his bike.
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On a couple of those companies, I've seen people send in never ridden new suspension and they charge hundreds to replace seals, bushings and internal stuff on top of the revalave costs.
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crc245 wrote:
You’re in SoCal like me, yeah? Also: Age, weight, ability? I’ve used Graeme Brough (closest to you if Temple City still your location), AHM Factory Services...
You’re in SoCal like me, yeah? Also: Age, weight, ability?

I’ve used Graeme Brough (closest to you if Temple City still your location), AHM Factory Services, and Shock Therapy through the years: Would recommend all again. My Dad’s 60+ and had good results with Too Tech. Best advice is to be honest with whoever you choose, and don’t be afraid to fine tune/tweak to “perfection”. Often, tuners can get you 90% of the way there, and a couple clicks, preload, HS will make it even better any given ride day...Keep us updated and good luck with your search!
Age: 33
Weight Wight Gear: 280
Weight Naked: 267
Ability: Midpack Novice, C class.
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8/25/2022 1:10pm Edited Date/Time 8/25/2022 1:36pm
ENZO always seems to nail it for me.

On multiple occasions Factory Connection and Precision Concepts have missed the mark. On one occasion, Factory Connection even sprung my shock with the wrong spring plus sent me another customer's parts I think. I never did get to the bottom of what I received (it was an extra shock spring). So I kinda gave up after that.
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Have been happy on 6 out of 7 revalves with Enzo. If I can’t get where I want on the 7th then I’ll likely have REP/AEO revise when it’s time.

Side note: Enzo revalved the stock forks and shock on my 2019 KTM 450 and it was one of the best bangs for the buck ever.
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Personally, I’ve had great results with Enzo (and further in the past Factory Connection). From buddies, no actual experience myself, I always hear positive feedback on AEO and Graeme Brough.
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Factory Connection. Find a suspension shop and develop a relationship with them. Give them feedback on your setups so they can use that feedback. This will get you your best suspension
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8/26/2022 12:15pm Edited Date/Time 8/26/2022 12:37pm
Moto520 wrote:
Factory Connection. Find a suspension shop and develop a relationship with them. Give them feedback on your setups so they can use that feedback. This will...
Factory Connection. Find a suspension shop and develop a relationship with them. Give them feedback on your setups so they can use that feedback. This will get you your best suspension
^^^ this!

"Find a suspension shop and develop a relationship with them."

No doubt a HUGE part of the revalve process is learning what each side means through feedback. From the first revalve attempt forward, it get exponentially easier from here once both sides can understand what a specific setting feels like to the rider and make fine-tuning adjustments. I like to call this the "Gaussian elimination process of suspension tuning!" <--- Very sad attempt at tech humor for a small, nerd audience here.
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What's your budget? With all the drop-in mods vs revalves, there's quite a price difference. There's several good places in socal. I'd recommend Graeme Brough. I'm not familiar with most of the high-end drop-in stuff. I use solid performance for factory aftermarket parts/cartridges.
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My $0.02 - Find a local tuner you can trust.

I've tried some big shops and was not impressed whatsoever. I've heard enough other similar reports that I learned how to do my own. I will not pay big bucks to have some ham fisted kid doing who-knows-what to my suspension.

When .05mm makes a difference, I just don't trust somebody I don't know.
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x3 on Enzo. They'll change your life.
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Factory Connection is the only shop I’ve never had to send my stuff back to for adjustment to the revalve, or had to mess with internally on my own to make it right. They’ve nailed it every single time for me. Usually within one or two clicks of perfect, in my experience.

Race Tech has always turned up settings that were way too soft for me.

I just tried The Ride Shop in AZ. Had to send my shock back to them a second time, but Jonny made it right and nailed it the second time.
8/30/2022 11:02am Edited Date/Time 8/30/2022 11:02am
I've used:

Factory Connection on my KX450: They were ok... wasn't super happy with the forks.
Roth Racing for my YZ250: They are great, but I guess he's not doing suspension work anymore, which sucks because he's 10 min. away.
707 has a set of KX450 forks now: I've heard good things and I'm excited to see how they come back.
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RG3 for years, in fact I just got off the phone with Rob who is fixing up the suspension on my Rmz 450. Never had anything but good with them and the simple fact that the owner answers the phone and chats with his clients is nice.
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8/31/2022 9:34pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2022 9:36pm
The best companies are the ones that are out there riding and always ready to work with you on improvements. As said above, the guys you can develop a relationship with are the best.

Rick at TooTech has been my guy since I got back into riding and racing a few years ago. He's out pounding laps 2-3 days a week and if you're out there chasing your tail on settings he will help you out. He always answers the phone or texts, or calls you back asap.

He pretty much nailed my YZ250 valving on the first initial setup. I ended up asking for a bit more oil in the forks, then we were 100% dialed.

For my '22 CRF450, we got it dialed on the 2nd try, but he actually didn't realize I "stepped up" my speed quite a bit recently. Once I told him what was going on he knew it was too soft and fixed it. Bike has been AMAZING lately. His prices are competitive with the other solo guys, and way cheaper than the big names.

Steve at Shock Therapy is also awesome. I talk to him at the races all the time and I hear nothing but great things from his customers.

I have a few friends who use Graeme Brough and again, nothing but good things (for all types of riding too).

EDIT: FYI - Rick at TooTech is on a Husky right now...
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I have great things to say about JBI Suspension. Specifically, he is kind of a specialist with your air forks. He made my MC350 XACT feel incredible. He is also very good to deal with. My bike felt amazing the way he set it up and I still run my base settings.
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stone881 wrote:
RG3 for years, in fact I just got off the phone with Rob who is fixing up the suspension on my Rmz 450. Never had anything...
RG3 for years, in fact I just got off the phone with Rob who is fixing up the suspension on my Rmz 450. Never had anything but good with them and the simple fact that the owner answers the phone and chats with his clients is nice.
Dang .. I tried so hard to get RG3 to do my suspension a few years ago. Their phone was out of service, every local rep I contacted definitely had a day job that wasn't moto or was out of business, it was all sketchy.

How did you get in contact with Rob?
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Find someone close to you, that doesn’t sell you on any and everything, I have dealt with Jbi and he has some solid setups, very knowledgeable and more than happy to help, I have installed a few of his sub valve kits and aer products in a few bikes and currently in my own bike too. Good luck
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9/18/2022 9:48am Edited Date/Time 9/18/2022 9:49am
I have great things to say about JBI Suspension. Specifically, he is kind of a specialist with your air forks. He made my MC350 XACT feel...
I have great things to say about JBI Suspension. Specifically, he is kind of a specialist with your air forks. He made my MC350 XACT feel incredible. He is also very good to deal with. My bike felt amazing the way he set it up and I still run my base settings.
Ditto. My boy has a 2020 SX125 with his Pro Kit and it's very very good. Stock shock with select MX Tech upgrades to match. He also did the MX Tech stuff (Gen 1 Lucky + shock) on my 18 FC350 and it too is very good and super simple to tune. With JB you can stay air or go coil and he can handle it. He's also extremely responsive and has no problem explaining your options in as great detail as you'd like to go,
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Another thing great about JBI is i didn’t actually use him for my revalve, I bought the spring perches and he was willing to help me with my shim stacks as far as what direction to go. I’ve talked to quite a few tuners (also used 6 for the same bike) and them helping you with stuff like that was pretty rare
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Suspension can be a moving target.

I think it’s best to go with the guys that are local, at the tracks as well, and help you set the bike up POST sale.

There’s a lot of turn and burn out there and as soon as the set leaves the shop it’s never thought of/seen again. IMO a lot of reputable tuners who now own companies, specialized with suspension manufacturers themselves for a period of time. (Ross Maeda/Enzo - KYB, Mark Johnson/REP -Factory WP, Factory Connection had an almost 30 year Showa guy under them along with Dave Arnold)

As for the smaller tuners, yes it’s great to help the local guy however experience/knowledge/safety is what you pay for.. You may end up happy but how long/safe is the road to get there?



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