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I've always loved wrenching on bikes, mostly self taught with the help of YouTube and taking lots of pictures! Recently graduated an online motorcycle technician course but that's just book knowledge, no hands on unfortunately.
I've done 2 and 4 stroke top and bottom end rebuilds but I've never done suspension. Usually I ship it off or use a local shop. I'm curious who here does their own suspension? How hard was it to learn? Do you recommend a training seminar as a must like Race Tech offers?
What specialty tools are needed and where do you start with gaining base settings? Where do you purchase your shims etc.
Any and all info would be greatly welcomed!
Thanks, Kyle
I've done 2 and 4 stroke top and bottom end rebuilds but I've never done suspension. Usually I ship it off or use a local shop. I'm curious who here does their own suspension? How hard was it to learn? Do you recommend a training seminar as a must like Race Tech offers?
What specialty tools are needed and where do you start with gaining base settings? Where do you purchase your shims etc.
Any and all info would be greatly welcomed!
Thanks, Kyle
I order most shims from SDI, and kyb shims from technical touch. The specialty tools aren’t all that expensive, I service friends suspension and just buy the tools I need as I go.
Remember the liability involved with doing other riders suspension. Triple check any snap rings and make sure they are completely seated, and maybe even use a paint marker or tamper seal on every bolt/nut immediately after torquing. Things can get very ugly with even a single snap ring or nut not being torqued/seated properly.
The reason I started doing my own suspension is because I’ve gone through more suspension tuners than a lot of people (in a pretty short amount of time) and something always went wrong. Whether it was being charged for parts that weren’t replaced, or mismatched shims in my forks.
It's probably more aimed at the weekend warrior mechanic than the aspiring pro but I'd still recommend it as a great place to start. It's been enough for me to go from never touching my suspension, to being able to disassemble forks, change springs, seals etc confidently.
So if you are gonna charge people money and advertise as a business know what you are doing or the word will get out and you will tank.
Good luck.
Like mentioned above I take LOTS of video and pics to make sure everything goes back together the same way it came apart until Ive done something enough times it feels like second nature. I'm anal about doing things the right way or not doing it at all, that being said, you have to start somewhere and I'm eager to learn.
I'm confident that given the time and opportunity I can produce great results as I'm extremely prideful in my worksmanship. I won't make any money at first due to the attention to detail (pics,videos, notes, zip lock baggies) and overall time it will take but money isn't the goal. I just want to support myself doing what I love and that's wrenching.
I'll get the Race Tech suspension bible ordered today! I've had some really bad experiences with some tuners and hate that feeling you get when you spend $$$ and get the run around, communication is the biggest issue I see and I aim to fix that issue.
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Rebuild services (fluid, seals, bushings, spring rate changes, etc.) is fairly easy to learn and will be a huge money maker for you because it's quick and easy work. Race Tech bible, OEM service manuals, and YouTube tutorials will take you all the way. Tearing down a 4 stroke engine is significantly more complex than rebuilding a set of forks or shock.
Offering tuning & custom valving is a whole other beast. There's so much to learn & it can take years to get really good at it. I would suggest starting with just rebuild services. I believe if you are affiliated with a company like Race Tech as a certified service center, you buy parts (gold valves, shims, springs, seals, bushings, etc) from them, and then they provide you technical details on shim stack setups, spring rates, etc. So essentially you are paying for their technical expertise and knowledge....you just have to follow their instruction on installing their recommended parts & shims for each scenario. You will get to buy parts at dealer pricing, so you can make a little bit on part margins, but the rest of the profit will obviously come from your labor rates.
Tool wise, you are going to need a nitrogen tank setup for charging shocks, various size fork seal drivers, seal protectors, cartridge holders, cap wrenches, and maybe a few other specialty tools here and there. Browse around on WP, Showa, KYB, PitPosse, MotioPro websites for suspension specialty tools to get an idea. I would highly recommend investing in a shock vacuum bleeder. It's a serious investment up front, but hands down the best way to fully bleed out a shock. I would recommend having 2 nice stainless steel work benches, with a drain basin, dedicate to just suspension jobs. Use 1 bench for strictly for dirty teardowns and cleaning, the other is a "clean" bench for re-assembly only.
For quick turn around times, you are going to want to stock common size bushing kits, seals, springs, an array of suspension fluid, etc. so that you don't have to order parts for every set of forks/shock that comes in the door. You can easily rebuild a set of forks and a shock in ~2 hours if you have everything on hand. So if you have parts on hand, you can get that customer in and out as soon as your schedule allows. Customer don't want to wait 1 week for a suspension rebuild just because you are unwilling burden the financial commitment of carrying common stock parts and have to order parts every single time a set is torn down on the bench. make sense?
Tuning can take years to learn, and can be a little black art. I think your best bet to stsrt would be to become a race tech dealer or service center and you use their settings.
The tools, while not expensive for one bike, will be expensive for multiple bikes/brands. You're going to need seal/bushing installers, all the different cap wrenches, internal tools, shock tools and a nitrogen setup.
What size nitrogen tank would you recommend to get started with? I plan on trying to get my foot in the door with my local club which is primarily enduro riders with a little moto but not sure how many guys will need my services. The entire group is probably 50 riders or so. It's 60 miles round trip to get the nitrogen refilled so I want to minimize trips to town but dont want to get more than I need either.
Getting this setup for $185 to begin with.
I'm looking for a suspension company that can offer training, and technical advice for a franchise fee. I've tried numerous times to deal with RT dealers and even an old pro racer in the northeast I used to work for that has his own shop now and they seem to busy to want to help me out and I understand that.
RT says they offer training every November for around $1700 which would likely be really helpful but if I can get in with a different company sooner than that I may pull the trigger. I'm eager to get going and my experience with RT has been a bit rocky.
TBT racing may be something I look into, Travis has put up some very insightful videos on YouTube and appears to have a monthly program for people like me that want to work on suspension!
https://youtu.be/vrafDhaHbKc
https://youtu.be/b7ytNU1UyG8
There is no franchise fee with Race Tech. Once you have a Gold Valve Kit as a DIY guy, Dealer, Center, or a customer sending your stuff in; we don't charge to give you the setting to make it work. The seminars do touch on how to properly build suspension, but they also explain how it works and the why and how for you to be a tuner. I will say, the seminars cover A LOT, so the more you know ahead of time, the more you'll be able to retain about new stuff that you didn't know yet. So dig in and learn as much as you can before.
Not to sound too much like a company person, but Race Tech does also offer Tech Support in order to answer your questions as you go through the learning and installation process.
I'm not sure what TBT offers for training, but Travis has been around a long time and is always one of my favorite people to see when I visit the office out west.
If I can help, don't hesitate to drop me an email to chris@racetech.com. I work with all of our US/Canada RT Centers and have learned a lot about building a suspension business and what works/doesn't.
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