It's been asked before, but ... how much weight can I expect to lose with Ti hardware, Tubliss systems, etc.?

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Hi Guys,

I'm starting to put more and more hours on a 2020 YZ450F and am really starting feel the weight - especially in off-road/trail environments.

The weight is not a total surprise and I buy Yamahas for their balance and reliability. Overall, I think it's a GREAT bike, but it is heavier than I would like ... which has me thinking KTM again Woohoo .

So ... all you knowledgeable VitalMX'ers on this subject, what do you suggest for weight savings and how much weight can I likely save with each suggestion? I could use this education in general.

Assume I am trying to lighten a completely stock bike.

Thanks in advance!
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7/22/2021 10:02pm Edited Date/Time 7/22/2021 10:04pm
10lbs with the easy pickings, 10 more for 10x more money.

It isn't going to change the nature of the bike though.
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7/22/2021 10:58pm Edited Date/Time 7/23/2021 10:45pm
What do you consider easy pickings generally?
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7/23/2021 6:38am
Exhaust, seat, tires, tubes. It might be less on newer bikes though, maybe only 5lbs there.
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7/23/2021 8:43am
Check out hard_enduro_life on instagram, he's doing a lightweight ktm 150 for off-road/enduro. He has weight comparisons of everything he is doing on the bike. Everything will be answered there.
For the 1000's you might spend on Ti it's probably not worth it. Do the big/cheap items mentioned above and call it a day.
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7/23/2021 8:55am
How much does going tubeliss front and rear save?
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Some weights listed in our 150 build thread. They're for a KTM, but a lot transfers over:
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Bike-Builds,46/Luxon-MX-2019-KTM-150SX-B…

Ti and the like will save you more weight from your wallet than on the bike, so unless you have a big budget, start elsewhere:

* Tires (Michelin or Hoosier) are a big one and cheap. Often 3 pounds or so there.

* Titanium exhaust can save a pound or more.

* Guts seat foam can save about a pound.

* Tubeliss rear is lighter, front is heavier.

* Our triple clamps and bar mounts can save you 0.8 lbs. over stock

Those are the big ones. There are lots of little ones that add up to big weight loss, but it all comes at a price... Just be careful what you compromise to lose weight. That hard_enduro_life account on Instagram is a good example of that. He's all about weight loss, which is fine, but some of his changes compromise performance significantly to lose weight. That said, it's a great source for weights of stock and aftermarket stuff (for a KTM), just use your head with what you take from it!
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I just dropped 1 pound. I went from stock Suzuki hardware to Ti on subframe (4 m8), triple clamps (4 m8), fork lugs (4 m8) front brake mount (2 m8), Upper engine mounts (2 m10 & 4 m8), levers and front brake routing (5 m6 &m5), Ignition cover (7 m6), clutch cover (6 m6), oil cover (2 m6), water pump (4 m6), case guard (2 m6). I think that's it for now.

Worth it? Not really, just much better looking hardware if anything.
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7/23/2021 1:36pm
If you haven't already switch to a lightweight battery that is the easiest weight saving.
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7/23/2021 8:23pm Edited Date/Time 7/23/2021 8:25pm
If you haven't already switch to a lightweight battery that is the easiest weight saving.
Oh I switched ... but duped MYSELF! :-)

Here was my finding:
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Tech-Help-Race-Shop,42/Shorai-Battery-We…

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7/23/2021 10:39pm
In addition to hard_enduro_life, check out ah2stroke


Best case: Don't add weight! Tusk wheels, aluminum skid plates, super HD tubes, o-ring chain, steel sprocket, etc. can help with durability/convenience, at the expense of added weight.

Also, try to focus on the cheaper/free unsprung factors first: stock rim-strips are lighter than duct-taping rims, tire choices and tubes MATTER, lose the rear brake hanger plastic protectors (and don't be like Honda: cut off the mounting tabs if you're okay going that route!), Ti axles go farther than practically all the smalls you can add, Ti shock spring, aluminum DRC 6mm trim bolts are lighter than both OE and Ti...I'd try Fatbike MTB tubes for the price and spinning factor before bigger ticket pricy options. Let us know how it goes!
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If you haven't already switch to a lightweight battery that is the easiest weight saving.
Rider 5280 wrote:
Oh I switched ... but duped MYSELF! :-)

Here was my finding:
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Tech-Help-Race-Shop,42/Shorai-Battery-We…

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Didn’t you know the bike already came with a lithium battery?
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Rider 5280
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7/24/2021 9:59am Edited Date/Time 7/24/2021 10:00am
If you haven't already switch to a lightweight battery that is the easiest weight saving.
Rider 5280 wrote:
Oh I switched ... but duped MYSELF! :-)

Here was my finding:
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Tech-Help-Race-Shop,42/Shorai-Battery-We…

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CKNY wrote:
Didn’t you know the bike already came with a lithium battery?
Honestly I didn't pay much attention. It's my first e-start bike and I saw so many rave reviews about Shorai's power and "weight reduction" that I didn't think any further and just bought it. Total rookie mistake, just not researching deep enough. Had planned to buy the Shorai no matter what, then when I compared them side by side I said "well somebody is an idiot ..." I made sure I was looking into a mirror, of course.
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Check out hard_enduro_life on instagram, he's doing a lightweight ktm 150 for off-road/enduro. He has weight comparisons of everything he is doing on the bike. Everything...
Check out hard_enduro_life on instagram, he's doing a lightweight ktm 150 for off-road/enduro. He has weight comparisons of everything he is doing on the bike. Everything will be answered there.
For the 1000's you might spend on Ti it's probably not worth it. Do the big/cheap items mentioned above and call it a day.
10-4, that was an excellent read. Thanks!

Here's the link for others:
https://www.instagram.com/hard_enduro_life/
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Here is a copy from another thread on vital about this topic

"What modifications would it take to lose 10lbs off of a 2019 KX 450?"

What's the budget? Certainly attainable, but with a price. However, as mentioned, comparing apples to apples means you add appx. 3lb to the KTM/Husky instantly for a comparable dual spring fork; not to mention replacing their THIN oe-specification tubes with something you can actually ride...

-Tires are a good place to start. Have heard the Michelin's and new Hoosiers are almost spec tire light. Even Pirelli's weigh less than Dunlop and Bridgestone competition. ≈.25-1lb.
-Exhaust. Replacing the bazooka yields significant weight savings. ≈2.9lbs.
-New triple clamps. Ride Engineering advertises .25lb. with their 19' design.
-Guts Phantom seat foam; Don't forget the PulpMX discount code. ≈.25-.50lb.
-RaceTech titanium advertises 6.5lb. decrease with ALL their trinkets. Can usually get ≈1.5lb. decrease with just axles and swingarm pivot.
-DRC sells aluminum bolts that are a good replacement for LOW STRESS applications. ≈.25lbs.
-LightSpeed and PC should be selling a carbon chain guide which aids in alignment and loses some ounces.

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Tech-Help-Race-Shop,42/How-to-lose-10lbs-on-a-kx-rmz-crf-yz-450,1353858
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7/26/2021 6:23am Edited Date/Time 7/26/2021 6:26am
Don't use any aluminum bolts. You can get Chinese ti from ebay for cheaper and just use drilled aluminum washers if you can't find flange bolts.
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7/27/2021 9:07pm Edited Date/Time 7/27/2021 9:21pm
What size fat tire tubes are the ones to get??? Maybe the 26 x 4.0???
And is there a preferred brand?

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