2017 KTM 250SX Carb

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As the title reads, my 2017 KTM 250SX apparently doesn't get along with the mikuni. Any experience in a better carb route? A litttle reluctant to try the Lectron, but have heard mostly positive reviews. Or is it more worthwhile to revert back to a 2016 Kehin carb? any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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4/30/2017 9:48pm Edited Date/Time 4/30/2017 9:49pm
Check your reeds. My 17 is at 10 hrs and I haven't had a problem with the mikuni from 50 degree to 75 degrees. About 800-1000 ft elevation, one up on main all stock otherwise 60-1 with motorex premix. Check your reeds that seems to be the main issue with these bikes.
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Check your reeds. My 17 is at 10 hrs and I haven't had a problem with the mikuni from 50 degree to 75 degrees. About 800-1000...
Check your reeds. My 17 is at 10 hrs and I haven't had a problem with the mikuni from 50 degree to 75 degrees. About 800-1000 ft elevation, one up on main all stock otherwise 60-1 with motorex premix. Check your reeds that seems to be the main issue with these bikes.
VForce is already in, and yes, stock pedals were warped. I have been fussing with the jetting for a while, and what seems to run fairly well, now is pinging on me and hearing an occasional knocking.
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Have the same carb on my '17 TC250 and couldn't be happier (really).

I did have the issue with the reeds and sanded the block so they would sit mostly flat. I think there was a small gap left from one reed being slightly conformed to the warped block.

I also adjusted float to recommended height (~8.5 - 9 mm I think).

Bike ran pretty good with 450 main, 35 pilot, stock needle, 3rd clip.

I then had 0.020" taken from cylinder head face and ran 430 main, 32.5 pilot, and stock needle 2nd clip. Had some very minor pinging at a particular rpm/throttle position.

Before yesterday's ride, I installed the JD Jet kit blue needle on 4th clip, along with a 30 pilot jet and AS at ~2.5 turns out, and now it runs better than ever. I was very skeptical of the JD Jetting kit, but it is actually better. Maybe not $70 better, but over the life of the bike it's probably worth it. BTW, I'm running 93 octane at 32:1.

So, since you've checked your reeds I would start by checking float. And then adjust pilot, needle, and main to get the performance you're looking for.

What jetting are you currently running?
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Joyner41 wrote:
VForce is already in, and yes, stock pedals were warped. I have been fussing with the jetting for a while, and what seems to run fairly...
VForce is already in, and yes, stock pedals were warped. I have been fussing with the jetting for a while, and what seems to run fairly well, now is pinging on me and hearing an occasional knocking.
I went one step richer on the main and one leaner on the pilot, when my engine was stock (still using this jetting). Though now that it's all ported up it's about 100X better.

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I got fed up with the mikuni as I really couldn't get the jetting right on it. Ended up going the keihin route and I am much happier now. The bike pulls hard now and runs like 250 2 stroke should.
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Thanks all for your input. If I'm not mistaken, I dropped the needle one, and went a size up on the main, and a size down on the pilot.

I have toyed around with the jetting a bit, until I finally became fairly happy with it, but honestly, I've felt like there is just a lot of locked potential, especially up top.
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I got fed up with the mikuni as I really couldn't get the jetting right on it. Ended up going the keihin route and I am...
I got fed up with the mikuni as I really couldn't get the jetting right on it. Ended up going the keihin route and I am much happier now. The bike pulls hard now and runs like 250 2 stroke should.
Sam-

What Carb did you go with? 2016 SX Kehin? And what needed to be modified if anything?
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I am at this point currently with the stock carb:

leaner pilot jet
richer main jet
Vforce 4R
Bud/HGS exhaust
power valve spring backed out (not quite flush with case)

Bike is running like a monster
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seth505 wrote:
I am at this point currently with the stock carb: leaner pilot jet richer main jet Vforce 4R Bud/HGS exhaust power valve spring backed out (not...
I am at this point currently with the stock carb:

leaner pilot jet
richer main jet
Vforce 4R
Bud/HGS exhaust
power valve spring backed out (not quite flush with case)

Bike is running like a monster
If I am not mistaken, I am exactly the same on jetting. Only difference is FMF Fatty and Ti 2.1, and no adjustments to power valve spring (going to back mine off as you did soon). No pinging? That's what's concerning me the most, and even an occasional knocking.

Down low is phenomenal. Up top seems weak to me.
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5/2/2017 12:33pm Edited Date/Time 5/2/2017 12:34pm
seth505 wrote:
I am at this point currently with the stock carb: leaner pilot jet richer main jet Vforce 4R Bud/HGS exhaust power valve spring backed out (not...
I am at this point currently with the stock carb:

leaner pilot jet
richer main jet
Vforce 4R
Bud/HGS exhaust
power valve spring backed out (not quite flush with case)

Bike is running like a monster
Joyner41 wrote:
If I am not mistaken, I am exactly the same on jetting. Only difference is FMF Fatty and Ti 2.1, and no adjustments to power valve...
If I am not mistaken, I am exactly the same on jetting. Only difference is FMF Fatty and Ti 2.1, and no adjustments to power valve spring (going to back mine off as you did soon). No pinging? That's what's concerning me the most, and even an occasional knocking.

Down low is phenomenal. Up top seems weak to me.
I'm a 35 on the pilot and actually went up a few on the main to a 460. I do have a 450 to try as well but haven't yet.
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5/2/2017 12:58pm Edited Date/Time 5/2/2017 1:05pm
I got fed up with the mikuni as I really couldn't get the jetting right on it. Ended up going the keihin route and I am...
I got fed up with the mikuni as I really couldn't get the jetting right on it. Ended up going the keihin route and I am much happier now. The bike pulls hard now and runs like 250 2 stroke should.
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Sam-

What Carb did you go with? 2016 SX Kehin? And what needed to be modified if anything?
I keep going back and forth between 36mm and 38mm carb both off of KTM's and both work much better than the Mikuni. The 38mm pulls slightly better on the top end where as the 36mm carb is cleaner off the bottom. I think I am going to stick with the 36mm though. Having a hard time making my mind up though.

I started off with the jetting that I had in my 2015 250sx but it was way too lean in the 17 TC250. The new bike really wants quite a bit of fuel in comparison. In my 2015 I was running 158 main, 38 pilot, and NECJ suzuki needle. On my 17 I am running 168 main, 42 pilot with NECJ needle still. I am at about 5000' and it is just about perfect.

I am also running the Vforce 4R reed cage. Tried drilling the airbox that everyone claims to fix everything, but I did not notice any change at all other than air filters getting dirtier way faster.

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Bumping this thread as I am working on the jetting for my 18 250sx, the same stock jetting as the 17. Have it working pretty good with just a larger main #450. Still has a stumble/flat spot off idle, assuming pilot too rich, tried adjusting air screw out, does not correct it. Going to try leaner pilot jet. 50/50 Sunoco leaded 110 & 91 non ethanol gas at 50:1 amsoil dominator oil, FmF fatty with powercore2. . Raced it at southwick yesterday, deep/heavy wet sand, Left it at the jetting I had, I was worried about being lean for the sand so I moved the needle clip 1 step richer, no good... Too rich, Blubbering unless I was wide open....Bike has 4.0hrs on it, have not checked reeds yet. Anyone have updated carb settings...
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Bumping this thread as I am working on the jetting for my 18 250sx, the same stock jetting as the 17. Have it working pretty good...
Bumping this thread as I am working on the jetting for my 18 250sx, the same stock jetting as the 17. Have it working pretty good with just a larger main #450. Still has a stumble/flat spot off idle, assuming pilot too rich, tried adjusting air screw out, does not correct it. Going to try leaner pilot jet. 50/50 Sunoco leaded 110 & 91 non ethanol gas at 50:1 amsoil dominator oil, FmF fatty with powercore2. . Raced it at southwick yesterday, deep/heavy wet sand, Left it at the jetting I had, I was worried about being lean for the sand so I moved the needle clip 1 step richer, no good... Too rich, Blubbering unless I was wide open....Bike has 4.0hrs on it, have not checked reeds yet. Anyone have updated carb settings...
The !7' and 18" KTM's, 250-300's, really need a leaner slide, 5.5 or #6. With the leaner slide it will clean up that area that you are describing, and you will be able to use OEM needles. I'm pretty sure, but check to see if your 18' uses the s-4 needle jet. With the s-4 and #6 slide along with a 42-75 needle in the #3 clip, start out with a 30 pilot and 450/460 main jet. Those setting should get you in the ballpark.
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Bumping this thread as I am working on the jetting for my 18 250sx, the same stock jetting as the 17. Have it working pretty good...
Bumping this thread as I am working on the jetting for my 18 250sx, the same stock jetting as the 17. Have it working pretty good with just a larger main #450. Still has a stumble/flat spot off idle, assuming pilot too rich, tried adjusting air screw out, does not correct it. Going to try leaner pilot jet. 50/50 Sunoco leaded 110 & 91 non ethanol gas at 50:1 amsoil dominator oil, FmF fatty with powercore2. . Raced it at southwick yesterday, deep/heavy wet sand, Left it at the jetting I had, I was worried about being lean for the sand so I moved the needle clip 1 step richer, no good... Too rich, Blubbering unless I was wide open....Bike has 4.0hrs on it, have not checked reeds yet. Anyone have updated carb settings...
digger wrote:
The !7' and 18" KTM's, 250-300's, really need a leaner slide, 5.5 or #6. With the leaner slide it will clean up that area that you...
The !7' and 18" KTM's, 250-300's, really need a leaner slide, 5.5 or #6. With the leaner slide it will clean up that area that you are describing, and you will be able to use OEM needles. I'm pretty sure, but check to see if your 18' uses the s-4 needle jet. With the s-4 and #6 slide along with a 42-75 needle in the #3 clip, start out with a 30 pilot and 450/460 main jet. Those setting should get you in the ballpark.
Digger thanks for your input. I have my manual out for my 18 sx 250, which also covers the 250/300 Xc"s. The Xc"s run the s-4needle jet, the sx runs a s-1 needle jet. Not sure what the slide # is. My stock needle is 43-73 and felt like it runs good on #3 clip setting, I did up the main to 450 from 440 stock & that helped over rev...The stock pilot is 42.5, I dropped that to the next leaner 40 today & will try that out this Thursday when I can ride again.
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Digger thanks for your input. I have my manual out for my 18 sx 250, which also covers the 250/300 Xc"s. The Xc"s run the s-4needle...
Digger thanks for your input. I have my manual out for my 18 sx 250, which also covers the 250/300 Xc"s. The Xc"s run the s-4needle jet, the sx runs a s-1 needle jet. Not sure what the slide # is. My stock needle is 43-73 and felt like it runs good on #3 clip setting, I did up the main to 450 from 440 stock & that helped over rev...The stock pilot is 42.5, I dropped that to the next leaner 40 today & will try that out this Thursday when I can ride again.
The problem that you are going to run into using the OEM parts( needle jet/ needle and slide, is a hanging idle. I could get the bike to run pretty well, but it had a nasty hanging idle that I couldn't get rid of with the stock parts. Your bike comes with an #4 slide which is just too rich, IMO. The S-4 needle jet part #(KTM) is 55431021400. The #6 slide is through Kawasaki. http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/kawasaki/KP-16025-0004.html or you can have yours cut.
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I have heard about cutting the slide and hanging idles.....I have never cut a slide before....I will keep playing with the pilot jet for now as my main issue is a stumble off idle....slide is a Kawi part? Ktm does not offer the #6 slide?
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9/18/2017 7:13pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2017 9:52pm
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I have heard about cutting the slide and hanging idles.....I have never cut a slide before....I will keep playing with the pilot jet for now as...
I have heard about cutting the slide and hanging idles.....I have never cut a slide before....I will keep playing with the pilot jet for now as my main issue is a stumble off idle....slide is a Kawi part? Ktm does not offer the #6 slide?
I have cut a few of them now, it's pretty easy,IMO The std cut away angle on the #4 slide is I believe 30 deg. a #6 slide has a 35 deg angle, which extends the peak of the #4 arch a touch over 3mm. I then blend in the sides to match the new angle. I have a spare #4 slide cut into a #6, but it is out on loan at the moment, to a guy using it on a 17 xc250, or I would send it over.

As far as I know KTM does not offer a #6 slide for the Mikuni. Honda sell's a 5.75 slide, as does Kaw also, through the 04 cr125, which is a little cheaper, but I'm not sure of it's availability
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digger wrote:
The !7' and 18" KTM's, 250-300's, really need a leaner slide, 5.5 or #6. With the leaner slide it will clean up that area that you...
The !7' and 18" KTM's, 250-300's, really need a leaner slide, 5.5 or #6. With the leaner slide it will clean up that area that you are describing, and you will be able to use OEM needles. I'm pretty sure, but check to see if your 18' uses the s-4 needle jet. With the s-4 and #6 slide along with a 42-75 needle in the #3 clip, start out with a 30 pilot and 450/460 main jet. Those setting should get you in the ballpark.
Thanks for the info, maybe I need to try the different slide to clean up the bottom a bit.
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Rode yesterday, 80 degrees, fairly fast, intermediate to soft ripped dirt. Went with the 1 step leaner pilot jet and from a 450 main to a 460. Much better low end, off idle throttle response, and much better pull on top with the 460 main. Now I"m heading in the right direction.
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Rode yesterday, 80 degrees, fairly fast, intermediate to soft ripped dirt. Went with the 1 step leaner pilot jet and from a 450 main to a...
Rode yesterday, 80 degrees, fairly fast, intermediate to soft ripped dirt. Went with the 1 step leaner pilot jet and from a 450 main to a 460. Much better low end, off idle throttle response, and much better pull on top with the 460 main. Now I"m heading in the right direction.
2017 250sx...bought into the internet hype about how awful the carb was, bought a jd kit. Was running blue needle on 3, had a ridiculous hanging idle and @ southwick also had ridiculous low end bog...went richer, blue needle 4th clip and 37.5 pilot, was a little better, but at crow hill again had a ridiculous low end bog (think bwaaaa then come on pipe). Finally said F-it, kept 37.5 pilot and went back to stock needle 3rd clip...rode yesterday crow hill, fantastic, no hanging idle, instant throttle response down low etc. Let an A rider ride it yesterday as well (I'm vet c), 2 laps, comes in grinning ear to ear, loved the bike said he's buying one. Bottom line, I'm going to stick to stock needle and dick around w/pilot and main, current settings 37.5, 3 rd lip needle and 440 main, sea level east coast.
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Have the same carb on my '17 TC250 and couldn't be happier (really). I did have the issue with the reeds and sanded the block so...
Have the same carb on my '17 TC250 and couldn't be happier (really).

I did have the issue with the reeds and sanded the block so they would sit mostly flat. I think there was a small gap left from one reed being slightly conformed to the warped block.

I also adjusted float to recommended height (~8.5 - 9 mm I think).

Bike ran pretty good with 450 main, 35 pilot, stock needle, 3rd clip.

I then had 0.020" taken from cylinder head face and ran 430 main, 32.5 pilot, and stock needle 2nd clip. Had some very minor pinging at a particular rpm/throttle position.

Before yesterday's ride, I installed the JD Jet kit blue needle on 4th clip, along with a 30 pilot jet and AS at ~2.5 turns out, and now it runs better than ever. I was very skeptical of the JD Jetting kit, but it is actually better. Maybe not $70 better, but over the life of the bike it's probably worth it. BTW, I'm running 93 octane at 32:1.

So, since you've checked your reeds I would start by checking float. And then adjust pilot, needle, and main to get the performance you're looking for.

What jetting are you currently running?
Minor update since this thread came up again.

Still running the JD Jet Kit on blue needle, 4th clip. Changed pilot to 27.5 for the summer. Main still a 420 or 430 (can't remember now).

With the head mod I'm still able to run pump gas and leaner jetting without any issue. Has been very stable from 60 deg. Fahr up to 100+ deg. Fahr. and only required minor changes.

With the JD needle, a much leaner pilot is required (came with a 32.5). With the stock needle, somewhere in the 35 to 40 range would probably work for most.

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