1996 RM250 PWK Conversion help

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I just rebuilt my 1996 rm250 that I recently bought. It has the original PJ Carb with pro circuit pipe, fmf silencer and a new vforce 3 reed block. I have the jetting close to dialed in. I have a 55 pilot jet and 170 main. It idles fine, runs great on the main and in between, but the issue I'm having is when I just Crack the throttle open a little bit it loads up. It sputter pretty bad and wants to stall, if I open the throttle more past a half or so it clears up and runs great. I'm pretty sure it a rich condition because pulling the choke makes it worse. I dropped the pilot to a 52, that made it seem to lean but made no difference with the off idle issue. I have tried three different needles and different clip positions and nothing seems to help. I don't have alot of experience with tuning carbs, I'm hoping someone can steer me in the right direction.
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Assuming your jets are clear and you have new fuel, check your air screw. It should be in the 1/2 to 2 full turns out range from all the way in. Here's how you check it:

Set the idle a little high with the air screw 1 1/2 turns out. Now, slowly turn the screw inward until the engine "misses" a little. then go the other way until it misses again. Your best setting is between those two points. If you cannot get the bike to miss but you have screwed the air screw all the way in, your pilot is too lean. If the opposite is true and you cannot get it to miss after going two full turns out, the pilot is too rich.

I suspect a clogged pilot, however. Double check that you can see sunlight through the hole. If that jet is plugged up, small throttle openings will make the bike starve for fuel and cut out. The symptoms would clear up with larger throttle openings once the needle and main come into play, somewhere near 1/4 to 1/2 throttle.
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Thank you for your response. I forgot to mention that I have the air screw around 1.5 turns out which is what it likes. If I blip the throttle quickly it responds well. The problem is if I just barely open and hold the throttle, up to about 1/8 or maybe to 1/4 throttle. I don't understand how it can idle well, because I take this as being correct on the pilot. But it doesn't respond well at light throttle opening. But then again I'm not too experienced with it. If I open the air screw further it results in a hanging idle.

Also I forgot to mention that the carb has been cleaned thoroughly. Every time I take it off I make sure to blast the jets with some air and/or carb cleaner.
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4/19/2019 8:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/19/2019 8:11pm
raise the needle one clip position.


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I can tried multiple positions on the clip but it doesn't seem to help. Do you think I need a leaner slide? It seems to run well everywhere else, the only spot I'm having an issue is with light throttle. Im still gonna experiment with different needles

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This was a very common problem with these bike right out of the crate. A leaner slide cut away will help and the needle will need to be changed for a leaner one but with the clip in the 3rd portion. The other option was to use a complete carb off the 96 KX.
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Is that a pwk carb? I've knocked around that idea too
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Yes. PWK a/s from 96 and on or PWK , 95 and prior
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You can also help this with your power valve setting. It may be set too loose causing it to start opening a bit early.

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Dang I'll have to check that. That's something else I'm not too familiar with. I disassembled it to send the cylinder off. I put it back together per the manual but I wasn't too confident about the way I set it. Thanks!
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Hello again, so I picked up a PwK a/s carb that I am going to install. It came with a 168 main and a 50 pilot. The it has a #7 slide and a ddj needle. I’m not so much concerned about the jetting because I should be able to dial that in. But how about the needle? Is the ddj gonna be a good starting point? Should I get a triple taper needle, or is there another needle that will be better? Thank you. Oh and I ride at about 1200 feet elevation and 75-85 F.
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Don't be afraid to keep leaning the pilot, you won't blow anything up trying to cure an off idle issue. Also what plug are you using?
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I had a starting problem with my YZ465. It would flood out real easy making it hard to start. It would run real well when I got it started and cleaned out I chased the jetting and an longtime Mikuni rep pointed toward the floats. Turns out there is something loose in the float. You can hear it when you shake the float so somehow it leaked. I just got the new float so I'll see if it fixes the problem. You might want to check the float bowl needle to see if it leaks.
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The plug I run is the BR8ES most of the time. Sometimes I’ll use the EG. I’ve pretty much gave up with the PJ carb. Just wondering how I should start off jetting the PWK and what needle.
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I would go with a br8eg or if you have a couple more bucks a br8eix. Then start leaning it out before giving up. I had a 96 that ran a much leaner pilot with the stock carb
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I got the PwK installed and it starts up good but won’t idle because it’s too rich, however it seems like it responded well to light throttle input so that’s a win. My bike is a 1996, when I look up specs for a 97 (which came with a PwK) the standard jetting is much leaner and it uses the triple taper needle. There’s not much information online for jetting a PwK conversion on this machine. I’m wondering if I should start with the standard jetting for a 1997? Also the 97 uses triple taper needles.
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del1650 wrote:
I got the PwK installed and it starts up good but won’t idle because it’s too rich, however it seems like it responded well to light...
I got the PwK installed and it starts up good but won’t idle because it’s too rich, however it seems like it responded well to light throttle input so that’s a win. My bike is a 1996, when I look up specs for a 97 (which came with a PwK) the standard jetting is much leaner and it uses the triple taper needle. There’s not much information online for jetting a PwK conversion on this machine. I’m wondering if I should start with the standard jetting for a 1997? Also the 97 uses triple taper needles.
A Suzuki NECH needle in the #3 clip, along with a 45 pilot, and a 168 main, set the air screw to 1.5 turns out. This should be a nice safe starting point for you.

If you want to use the single taper needle, like what you have in the carb now, I recommend a CEJ needle in the #3 clip position a 48 or 45 pilot and a 175/172 main to start out with.
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Man your a genius. I’ve been experimenting this morning with a bunch of different needle and jets. I tried a few different Dxx needle and it didn’t really like them. Then I tried a CGL on clip #3 and that works well. That’s with a 48 pilot and 170 main. Just buzzing around the yard it feels really good, of course I won’t really be able to run it until I go out riding. That was all the needles I had so I gotta get some more. Thanks for the info. I really want to try a triple taper needle.
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Are the triple taper needles supposed to be better?
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del1650 wrote:
Are the triple taper needles supposed to be better?
I do like them better than the single taper needles, but it debatable.
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Currently I have the CEJ needle on the second clip with 48pj and 170mj. The engine starts easy and runs great with good power. The only thing that concerns me, it seems to have a bit of a deceleration pop. The best way I can describe this is after I rev it and the rpms are coming back down it’s kind of like you hit the throttle just for a very split second. It acted the same with both a 45 and 48 pilot, and now that I think about it, I tried 45 pilot on 2nd and 3rd clip with no change but I didn’t try the 48 pilot on 3rd clip. It just seems a little bit lean to me. I’m not sure if this is something I should even be concerned with, and if it is, I’m not sure where I should go with my next needle. Do I keep the Cxx series or go down to a Dxx. Then should I stay in the CEx, DEx. I know it I will need to go richer just not sure which letter to go richer on.
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And I’m not opposed to multi taper needles. I’ve just been buying the straight tapers cause their cheaper.
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If you wanted to try a Dxx single taper needle, I would suggest a DDK. the pilot and main will be close to what you have with the CEJ needle. For about $5 more you can try the Suzuki NECH needle and jetting that I listed above. I think you will like it better than the single taper needles.
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Thank you so much. I’m gonna give that a try
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Finally got some time to work on it again, and got the NECH needle. On the third clip with a 50pj and 165 mj, it ran good down low but had a high rpm stutter when wacking the throttle. I dropped the main to a 162, and it still has the high rpm stutter but not as bad. I’m surprised I’m having to go that lean on the main jet. I don’t have any jets leaner that a 162, so I may have to order some or try raising the clip position.
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@del1650 did you get it dialled in after? I'm looking at doing the same conversion 👍
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I ended up getting a JD jet kit. I use the red needle included in the kit with the clip on the third position. I used a 45 pilot and 168 main. This was my bike sweet spot.
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del1650 wrote:
I ended up getting a JD jet kit. I use the red needle included in the kit with the clip on the third position. I used...
I ended up getting a JD jet kit. I use the red needle included in the kit with the clip on the third position. I used a 45 pilot and 168 main. This was my bike sweet spot.
Thanks for the quick response. What power jet did you use? I've noticed some have blocked the power jet hole. Cheers
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The Carb I got does not have the power jet. Just main and pilot.

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