setting up bikes for colder weather

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 1:00pm
any advice or tricks on setting up bikes for cold weather? specifically two strokes
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11/30/2010 1:49pm
You have to use richer jetting or you can seize the engine.
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11/30/2010 2:05pm Edited Date/Time 11/30/2010 2:05pm
anzzz73 wrote:
trnsworld!!!!
i looked on there, but couldn't find anything about cold weather, only hot weather
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Where is TerryK?

That crazy bastard ice races on two smokers, he should have some hints.

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11/30/2010 3:02pm Edited Date/Time 11/30/2010 3:08pm
Tape up some of the rad. Check the plug on a smoker. Put your hand on the barrel to check if it is either warmed up enough or too cold' . I would not worry about jetting unless You are well below freezing but do check. I went one main jet rich on the ice and the fuel was driping off the fender.
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best cold weather set up... set the bike in the garage, set youself on a recliner, with a beer of course, and wait for above sixty temps. enjoy!
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These will keep your hands warm
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What kind of temps are you talking about?

What kind of riding?
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I know the engine runs leaner in colder weather so maybe move the clip on the jet needle down one maximum and screw the air screw in half a turn if your bike is tuned for like 70-90 degree weather.

Just wonderin, where do you plan on riding?
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I know the engine runs leaner in colder weather so maybe move the clip on the jet needle down one maximum and screw the air screw...
I know the engine runs leaner in colder weather so maybe move the clip on the jet needle down one maximum and screw the air screw in half a turn if your bike is tuned for like 70-90 degree weather.

Just wonderin, where do you plan on riding?
lol, thanks for the tips!
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I know the engine runs leaner in colder weather so maybe move the clip on the jet needle down one maximum and screw the air screw...
I know the engine runs leaner in colder weather so maybe move the clip on the jet needle down one maximum and screw the air screw in half a turn if your bike is tuned for like 70-90 degree weather.

Just wonderin, where do you plan on riding?
arenax, and it was 13 degrees outside where we have to keep the bikes Tongue and you only can start them indoors right before your moto cuz they have to keep fumes down
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haha, I need to hit that place up sometime soon. Nice knowin I can ride year round!

Is it really cold inside the salt lake arenacross thing? My bike runs kind of rich in warm weather and when I took it out in the cold, it ran so crisp and sounded like it had punch. But I tuned my carb to lean it up in the closed-1/2 throttle range for summer riding which is when I will do most of my riding. You don't want to run it too lean or the engine may overheat and cause problems in your motor so to be safe I would move the clip on the jet needle down one. To do this (well on my bike anyway) take your seat off and gas tank off Make sure your bike is very clean so dirt doesn't fall into the carb. Unscrew the two screws on the top of the carb that hold the throttle cable and pull it out. It should look like a needle (that you could kill someone with) with a slider and dangling by the throttle cable with a spring around it. Pull the plastic peice out of the slider and pull the needle out the top. Move the e-clip one groove down and put the needle back in how you took it apart. when you put it back in, make sure the slider and needle are VERY clean. if you have a shop manual, it will help with this.

This will richen the throttle in the 1/4-3/4 throttle range for cold weather.


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I know the engine runs leaner in colder weather so maybe move the clip on the jet needle down one maximum and screw the air screw...
I know the engine runs leaner in colder weather so maybe move the clip on the jet needle down one maximum and screw the air screw in half a turn if your bike is tuned for like 70-90 degree weather.

Just wonderin, where do you plan on riding?
GODMODE wrote:
arenax, and it was 13 degrees outside where we have to keep the bikes :P and you only can start them indoors right before your moto...
arenax, and it was 13 degrees outside where we have to keep the bikes Tongue and you only can start them indoors right before your moto cuz they have to keep fumes down
Man, i'd put an electric blanket over it and get some tire warmers like the super bikes guys run.
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12/1/2010 2:23am Edited Date/Time 12/1/2010 2:50am
Dumb question, but I guess you've already made sure you have enough anti-frezze in your system?

It sounds like your doing some indoor-riding (in lower temps)? If so, you shouldn't have to do any mods.

So instead of going all crasy on jetting, warm up your bike real good, take a lap, stop, take of your glove and put the palm on top of the radiator for a while (around the rad cap). If the bike has the right temp, it should be hot, but not burning hot (you should be able to hold your hand there for atleast 3-4 seconds).

IF you don't get the engine to be that warm, tape your radiators. You'll be fine doing just one of the rads down to very cold temperatures. Tape the second radiator of the two, the one closest to the engine. Once again, take a lap around the track, stop and check the engine temp againg. If it still isn't hot enough, tape the other radiatior to or if the engine feels to warm, rip of a peice of tape, do the same procedure again till you find it okay.

And what ever you do, don't put tape directly on the rad, do it on the fins or you may stop the air-flow/circulation.



Me and my oldes't son a couple of winters ago.

You can also take a lap and hold it WFO on a straight, pull in the clutch and kill the engine (and check out the sparkplug after that).

Even better places to feel the right engine temp is on the backside of the cylinder/head or after the waterpump. Or even better, get on of those temp stripes you can buy and put on the cylinder.

The only time you may need to do any big mods, is if you ride ice hard/fast in very cold conditions or Enduro in alot of snow. Then it's time to jet properly and it can also be useful to isolate the leading edge of the crankcase with, for example. "sleeping pad". This is to prevent condensation on a two-stroke.

You can also do the same procedure around the carb and that way create warmer air into it, which improves jetting problem and prevent the risk of frost in the carburetor.



Some of the guys (during the two-stroke 500cc days) that do our type of ice-racing (high speed supermoto style) also used to put exhuast/header band on the first part of the pipe. When the exhaust gas is cooled quickly, it will reduce peak engine rpm and the engine won't rev as far.

By isolating the pipe to around where it passes the water pump, you maintain the temperatures in the exhaust and hence peak power. Atleast that's what I've gotten to learn (and I'm no tech, what so ever).





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Use hand protectors! Nothing sucks as much as not being able to move your hands properly, because they are too cold.
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12/1/2010 6:34am
GODMODE wrote:
any advice or tricks on setting up bikes for cold weather? specifically two strokes
Put it in the garage and wait till spring. lol
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12/1/2010 8:51am Edited Date/Time 12/1/2010 8:52am
GODMODE wrote:
arenax, and it was 13 degrees outside where we have to keep the bikes :P and you only can start them indoors right before your moto...
arenax, and it was 13 degrees outside where we have to keep the bikes Tongue and you only can start them indoors right before your moto cuz they have to keep fumes down
If you are running indoors you are well above freezing so you don't have to do any thing.
Just try and warm it up a bit outside out of the wind
12/1/2010 9:30am
GODMODE wrote:
arenax, and it was 13 degrees outside where we have to keep the bikes :P and you only can start them indoors right before your moto...
arenax, and it was 13 degrees outside where we have to keep the bikes Tongue and you only can start them indoors right before your moto cuz they have to keep fumes down
Nutty C wrote:
If you are running indoors you are well above freezing so you don't have to do any thing. Just try and warm it up a bit...
If you are running indoors you are well above freezing so you don't have to do any thing.
Just try and warm it up a bit outside out of the wind
Move to Florida
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+1 on the radiator tape.
Get some of those Fx temp stickers and put one on the back side lower tank of your radiator. Should be in the 160-180 deg. range. These bikes have no thermostat (moto) and need to be kept in the proper heat range. I used to road race two strokes and the rad tape was key to good engine performance. Too hot, you can seize (even a four stroke), too cool and you are throwing away power and the engine components never get up to temp and expand to the sizes they were meant to run at. The piston could be too cold and not fill the bore properly, resulting in accelerated wear. (Like it is already worn out and undersized). Same with bearings, and a lot of other components.
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well it is indoors, but they have to open all the doors, and vents in the top of the building, so it is only about ten or fifteen degrees warmer than outside, and when it's 13 degrees outside, it's still pretty cold! and as for radiator tape, is there anyone that could get me a picture, or detailed instructions? i get the general idea, put tape over the plastic gaurd so less cold air gets in, but is there a specific way? and i'll try adjusting the jetting juuustt a tiny bit, cuz my bike was jetted to run summer temperatures
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12/1/2010 9:22pm Edited Date/Time 12/1/2010 9:24pm
GODMODE wrote:
well it is indoors, but they have to open all the doors, and vents in the top of the building, so it is only about ten...
well it is indoors, but they have to open all the doors, and vents in the top of the building, so it is only about ten or fifteen degrees warmer than outside, and when it's 13 degrees outside, it's still pretty cold! and as for radiator tape, is there anyone that could get me a picture, or detailed instructions? i get the general idea, put tape over the plastic gaurd so less cold air gets in, but is there a specific way? and i'll try adjusting the jetting juuustt a tiny bit, cuz my bike was jetted to run summer temperatures
So the temp is around 32f inside?



If so, leave the bike alone. You don't need tape, you dont need jetting, because in AX, you will not be running the bike hard enough to have to worry about jetting other than maybe raising the needle one position.



We run in VERY cold conditions and need to jet, tape rads etc, but we are running at speeds of 90+ mph with lots of wide open throttle.



For the most part, leave it alone.
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TerryK wrote:
So the temp is around 32f inside? If so, leave the bike alone. You don't need tape, you dont need jetting, because in AX, you will...
So the temp is around 32f inside?



If so, leave the bike alone. You don't need tape, you dont need jetting, because in AX, you will not be running the bike hard enough to have to worry about jetting other than maybe raising the needle one position.



We run in VERY cold conditions and need to jet, tape rads etc, but we are running at speeds of 90+ mph with lots of wide open throttle.



For the most part, leave it alone.
alright, thanks for the advice! and that sounds crazy! haha especially on ice
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this may help you with knowing what the different carb circuits do and what part of throttle they efect.
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GODMODE wrote:
alright, thanks for the advice! and that sounds crazy! haha especially on ice


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Oh haha, my bad. They look like dress shoes in that pic
lol, I may be nuts, but I'm not crazy! Tongue

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