14 sxf 250 Grenade

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Edited Date/Time 10/22/2014 10:21am
My cousin just bought a 14 250 and it was stated the bike had 3 hours on it. He took it to his first race and the thing locked up and the rod blew out the side of the case. The bike looked to be brand new when he got it. Has this happened to anybody else?
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slipdog 10/13/2014 12:18pm
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Oh, boy!

I would look at taking the bike to the dealership with the original paperwork and having them inspect it. That would be the only way KTM "might" help with repairs in good faith. He's most likely out of luck though.
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Tpog496 10/13/2014 12:23pm
10/13/2014 12:23pm Edited Date/Time 10/13/2014 12:25pm
Ha this bike was a craigslist special. But like I said it looked brand new what could have possibly went wrong? This is why i only buy new 4 strokes. after repair hes going to have more into it than a new bike!
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mxfiend 10/13/2014 12:50pm
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man that sucks easily a $2500 repair thats a bad seller or bad luck
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mx98wfo 10/13/2014 4:24pm
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The KTM's come with a break in oil if not changed after a short period of time this will happen.

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Brad460 10/13/2014 4:34pm
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mx98wfo wrote:
The KTM's come with a break in oil if not changed after a short period of time this will happen.
After three hours they will throw a rod? I have never heard of this happening. Please explain how this is possible- with facts/data ..not hearsay

Break- in oils contain anti wear additives which increases film strength..
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mx98wfo 10/13/2014 4:51pm
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Look in the owners manual of any SXF 250,350,450 it says right in there to change the oil after 1 hour. The KTM's use a pankl crank with a plain bearing that needs twice as much oil as a standard big end crank. The break in oil breaks down to fast to run long periods of time.
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Tpog496 10/13/2014 4:51pm
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mx98wfo wrote:
The KTM's come with a break in oil if not changed after a short period of time this will happen.
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After three hours they will throw a rod? I have never heard of this happening. Please explain how this is possible- with facts/data ..not hearsay Break-...
After three hours they will throw a rod? I have never heard of this happening. Please explain how this is possible- with facts/data ..not hearsay

Break- in oils contain anti wear additives which increases film strength..
He had more like five on it. But there there was no hour meter on it.. so it could have been more but the bike looked new and yea I would like to see some proof of this.
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Brad460 10/13/2014 5:14pm
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mx98wfo wrote:
Look in the owners manual of any SXF 250,350,450 it says right in there to change the oil after 1 hour. The KTM's use a pankl...
Look in the owners manual of any SXF 250,350,450 it says right in there to change the oil after 1 hour. The KTM's use a pankl crank with a plain bearing that needs twice as much oil as a standard big end crank. The break in oil breaks down to fast to run long periods of time.
Understand the manual says change the oil at 1 hour, but I am curious about your comment that break-in oils break down faster...again, do you have facts to back that statement? What exactly breaks down?

Also, your comment about the bearing requiring twice as much oil..twice as much what..film thicknesses? Flow? Oil pressure?


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haydos25 10/13/2014 5:18pm
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Tpog496 wrote:
He had more like five on it. But there there was no hour meter on it.. so it could have been more but the bike looked...
He had more like five on it. But there there was no hour meter on it.. so it could have been more but the bike looked new and yea I would like to see some proof of this.
That is unlucky. I assume at minimum he would've done an oil change on the bike before he took it to a race right?

May be out of luck, given the bike is now not with the original purchaser it would more than likely void any "warranty/good will" that KTM may have given in this case.

I guess it just goes down as another case of one of those things that happens sometimes, mechanical parts break on occasion, not always somebody's fault.
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Tpog496 10/14/2014 6:17am
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mx98wfo wrote:
Look in the owners manual of any SXF 250,350,450 it says right in there to change the oil after 1 hour. The KTM's use a pankl...
Look in the owners manual of any SXF 250,350,450 it says right in there to change the oil after 1 hour. The KTM's use a pankl crank with a plain bearing that needs twice as much oil as a standard big end crank. The break in oil breaks down to fast to run long periods of time.
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Understand the manual says change the oil at 1 hour, but I am curious about your comment that break-in oils break down faster...again, do you have...
Understand the manual says change the oil at 1 hour, but I am curious about your comment that break-in oils break down faster...again, do you have facts to back that statement? What exactly breaks down?

Also, your comment about the bearing requiring twice as much oil..twice as much what..film thicknesses? Flow? Oil pressure?


Yea were not calling you out. Just want to know what you mean
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Markee 10/14/2014 12:53pm
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You can't trust a noboby, when it comes to buying any used 250 its a shot in the dark and to no fault to anyone other than a lying seller on hours by estimation, even a hour meter is a joke.

Bummer.
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captmoto 10/14/2014 6:12pm
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Markee wrote:
You can't trust a noboby, when it comes to buying any used 250 its a shot in the dark and to no fault to anyone other...
You can't trust a noboby, when it comes to buying any used 250 its a shot in the dark and to no fault to anyone other than a lying seller on hours by estimation, even a hour meter is a joke.

Bummer.
So what do you do with your bike when you are done with it?
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Grizz 10/14/2014 8:01pm
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Markee wrote:
You can't trust a noboby, when it comes to buying any used 250 its a shot in the dark and to no fault to anyone other...
You can't trust a noboby, when it comes to buying any used 250 its a shot in the dark and to no fault to anyone other than a lying seller on hours by estimation, even a hour meter is a joke.

Bummer.
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So what do you do with your bike when you are done with it?
Sell it to someone that hasn't read threads like these Laughing
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Tpog496 10/14/2014 8:42pm
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Here it is lol
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domoguchi 10/15/2014 3:04am
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Oh man....that's a couple of grand to repair....running it with the break in oil is never a good idea.....this is a result of what can and will happen if it not drained after the first hour.....
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KTMShane699 10/15/2014 3:52am
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domoguchi wrote:
Oh man....that's a couple of grand to repair....running it with the break in oil is never a good idea.....this is a result of what can and...
Oh man....that's a couple of grand to repair....running it with the break in oil is never a good idea.....this is a result of what can and will happen if it not drained after the first hour.....
This statement keeps coming up. I work at a KTM dealership in the parts department and have been with the shop for 14 years. I haven't seen a KTM come in for a failure due to running "break in oil." In fact I know a lazy expert rider racking up hours on a 2015 250 SX-F currently and last I knew it was on the original oil. Poor maintenance? It definitely is. Will it blow eventually if he doesn't do maintenance? Yes, it will. Can the "break in oil" be blamed? I doubt it.
I would be interested in reading about cases of failure specifically attributed to break in oil. Especially cases with low hours.
As far as this case, we don't really know the history of the bike. We have some bikes on this forum that have hours, but look new. I still have the original plastic to my bike that it was never ridden with. So a Craigslist special is somewhat disqualified from being a valid case.
Hope you can get that thing fixed up. It's going to be an expensive rebuild though for sure
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Tpog496 10/16/2014 11:29am
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Apparently KTM is going to help out with the rebuild. Seems odd to me but that's what they are telling me
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slipdog 10/16/2014 2:55pm
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Tpog496 wrote:
Apparently KTM is going to help out with the rebuild. Seems odd to me but that's what they are telling me
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domoguchi 10/16/2014 2:59pm
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Tpog496 wrote:
Apparently KTM is going to help out with the rebuild. Seems odd to me but that's what they are telling me
Change the oil this time , OK Bro....
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Tpog496 10/16/2014 3:18pm
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Tpog496 wrote:
Apparently KTM is going to help out with the rebuild. Seems odd to me but that's what they are telling me
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Change the oil this time , OK Bro....
I won't be changing the oil ever as it's not my bike. OK bro?
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domoguchi 10/16/2014 3:54pm
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Tpog496 wrote:
Apparently KTM is going to help out with the rebuild. Seems odd to me but that's what they are telling me
domoguchi wrote:
Change the oil this time , OK Bro....
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I won't be changing the oil ever as it's not my bike. OK bro?
Why are you on here if you don't even have a bike ? bro ?
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Tpog496 10/16/2014 3:57pm
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Who says I don't have a bike? Wtf are you talking about dude?
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ToolMaker 10/19/2014 6:39am
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Is there any evidence that he collected a rock that cracked the case, oil ran out and then then went boom?
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markit 10/20/2014 11:59pm
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Had a 07 that i ran A on thing was rock solid and it lived on the limiter.
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Markopolo400 10/22/2014 8:57am
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I'd put money on KTM actually filling their engines with a good quality oil from the factory.
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markit 10/22/2014 10:21am
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My first 2 k ktm came with Shell oil the rest came with Motul all had a small. Oil co. sticker on the clutch cover.

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