Weird European Minis from the 70s-80s

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7/29/2014 11:18 AM

I remember seeing pictures of oddball euro bikes back in the day. Ancillotti, Fantic, maybe Aprilia and or Derby? I'd forgotten all about them until I stumbled on some 1982 Italian 80cc mx.



Ever see any of these? Ride them? I swear there are zero japanese bikes in that footage.

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7/29/2014 8:39 PM

Those where full sized 80's they raced as adults ? MX and Enduro's check out this 1985 CR80R it has a 21 front 18 rear tires never even knew they had one sold in euro/uk only i think.







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7/29/2014 9:18 PM

Yes...this was common in italy in the 80s. I have some old italian mx magazines and nobody rode japanese bikes. Ancillotti, tgm, fantic, tresoldi, tm...so many of their own brands. Accossato was another brand that ruled the 80cc class. I asked my italian buddy about this and he said in the 125 and 250 classes the japanese bikes were too slow and the italian bikes made "bigger power" up until about 86 then the japanese bikes got good and the italian brands faded.

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7/30/2014 7:37 AM

wpark89 wrote:

Yes...this was common in italy in the 80s. I have some old italian mx magazines and nobody rode japanese bikes. Ancillotti, tgm, fantic, tresoldi, tm...so many of their own brands. Accossato was another brand that ruled the 80cc class. I asked my italian buddy about this and he said in the 125 and 250 classes the japanese bikes were too slow and the italian bikes made "bigger power" up until about 86 then the japanese bikes got good and the italian brands faded.

Interesting.. I once rode an 88 or 89 Cagiva 125 that was easily as fast as an early 90s CR125. All top end like it had no power valve.

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7/30/2014 8:36 AM

Didn't Cagiva win the FIM world championship around that time? They couldn't have done this against full works bikes if their 125 was slow.

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Thanks for the memories and good fellowship guys!

7/30/2014 1:38 PM

Pekka Vehkonen won 1985 and Dave Strijbos 1986 the 125 world championship on Cagiva.
many countrys in europe had in this days 80cc classes with "big wheel" bikes.

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7/30/2014 2:37 PM

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7/30/2014 2:57 PM

The big wheel Cr80 were sold in Sweden and I'm about to restore one this winter. It has larger frame, swing arm and fork.



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7/30/2014 7:55 PM

Banana_oil wrote:

The big wheel Cr80 were sold in Sweden and I'm about to restore one this winter. It has larger frame, swing arm and fork.



That bike kicks ass. Cant wait to see the restore.

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7/31/2014 7:31 AM

Banana_oil wrote:

The big wheel Cr80 were sold in Sweden and I'm about to restore one this winter. It has larger frame, swing arm and fork.



Wow, thats so cool! Please keep us updated on this project!

I've always wanted to find a fullsize TM85.

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8/1/2014 8:38 AM

I was thinking Fantic and Husky still made full sized two-stroke 50cc bikes for like ISDE Enduro classes.

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11/4/2014 7:37 AM

A friend of mine have this bizarr cr80 94. It won the swedish 80cc championship in 94 and by that time 21-18 wheels were allowed.

The frame is modified (taller and stronger, allowing CR125 steering stem) by RIWA, the fork is a WP4054 from a cr125, Öhlins rear shock, Talon hubs with 21/18 inch wheels, CR125 rear brake, ported cylinder by MTF, special exhaust, alu ignition cover.

At that time many riders had modified bikes like this, some even had RM125 chassis with RM80 engines.









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1/13/2018 1:34 PM

Banana_oil wrote:

The big wheel Cr80 were sold in Sweden and I'm about to restore one this winter. It has larger frame, swing arm and fork.



Hi banana oil please could you help me I’m currently restoring one of these huge cr80 and I am having trouble on finding an exulst to fit. This is the last part I need many thank

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1/16/2018 4:21 AM

It's Not European, but, it is a Factory made bike you could freely buy (here in OZ at least), in both 1983 and 84 .

The RM80H - 21" front wheel, 18" rear, and, an absolute Hoot to ride (and a hell of a lot safer for an adult to ride - minicycles are bloody dangerous for adults). :

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In Europe, there are still 50cc full sized bike classes in quite a few Enduros. There are plenty of videos to be found of them.

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1/16/2018 11:15 PM

There sure are many small as big italian brands that had 80cc mx/enduro bikes back in the 70´s, 80´s as early 90´s.
And not only Italian brands, also KTM had there big wheel 80cc bike back then


I recall as I was in school to become a car mecanic, one of the teachers had his as sons bikes at the shcool, boy had a 80cc KTM whit a tiny 3,75-18 Trelleborg rear tire. Himself the teacher had a RM500...

A nother brand that I think is not Italian is Simpson, might only had enduro bikes, remember them singing at the 1990 ISDE in Sweden


The proberly biggers Italian brand is TM Motor whit there trick bikes, aluminium tanks....











A odd brand was Tresoldi




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1/17/2018 4:18 AM

I had 50cc liquid cooled Italjet back in 90's. It had Morini GSA engine with 4 speed gearbox and manual clutch. The bike had 14"/12" wheels and weighted only little over 40 kilos (90 lbs). It was really fast small bike and could keep up with the 80cc bikes but frame broke several times and had to welded and gusseted in many places. I guess the light weight came with the price...Me and my younger brother rode wheels of that thing and the bike was replaced after one summer of riding with a KX80.

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1/17/2018 4:08 PM

Bearuno wrote:

It's Not European, but, it is a Factory made bike you could freely buy (here in OZ at least), in both 1983 and 84 .

The RM80H - 21" front wheel, 18" rear, and, an absolute Hoot to ride (and a hell of a lot safer for an adult to ride - minicycles are bloody dangerous for adults). :

[LINK TO IMAGE]
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In Europe, there are still 50cc full sized bike classes in quite a few Enduros. There are plenty of videos to be found of them.

Why not get just a 125? A big wheel 80 looks odd.

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1/17/2018 7:44 PM

A bit like the popular 100cc class in the US, in the ‘70’s?
Converted CR125’s, then YZ100’s etc.

Never seemed common in Australia.

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1/17/2018 9:26 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/17/2018 9:37 PM

Sully wrote:

Why not get just a 125? A big wheel 80 looks odd.

Because there were Classes for them - 50s and 80s.

And, in many countries, there still are 50cc full sized bike classes. And still, a few manufacturers making them.

Unless you are a pup, you might have heard of Larry Roeseler? Well, he rode a KX125 / 80 hybrid in at least 1 ISDE - the 1989 German one, to fill out the Teams capacity range needed. Got Gold, but the Team had other problems. You can find the Dirt Bike Magazine article on it quite easily on the Internet, and a 9 /10 minute on board video that is supposed to be of the bike being put through it's paces.

I had a course marshaling job at the 92 Australian ISDE, and rode most days trails. I got to follow the 80cc riders a fair amount, and they were Spectacular. Only about 7 or 8 came out to OZ, but they were the very best 80cc riders. I can tell you, I had quite an interesting time keeping up with those blokes,, usually on sections I knew Very well, and they had never ridden on. They were amazing.

The last year for 80s in the ISDE was 1993.

I'd like to see the small capacity bikes, And the "Jumbos", re-introduced into the ISDE / EWC. It's Not going to happen, but I really think we are missing out without the Tiddlers and Monsters.

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1/17/2018 10:03 PM

Bearuno wrote:

Because there were Classes for them - 50s and 80s.

And, in many countries, there still are 50cc full sized bike classes. And still, a few manufacturers making them.

Unless you are a pup, you might have heard of Larry Roeseler? Well, he rode a KX125 / 80 hybrid in at least 1 ISDE - the 1989 German one, to fill out the Teams capacity range needed. Got Gold, but the Team had other problems. You can find the Dirt Bike Magazine article on it quite easily on the Internet, and a 9 /10 minute on board video that is supposed to be of the bike being put through it's paces.

I had a course marshaling job at the 92 Australian ISDE, and rode most days trails. I got to follow the 80cc riders a fair amount, and they were Spectacular. Only about 7 or 8 came out to OZ, but they were the very best 80cc riders. I can tell you, I had quite an interesting time keeping up with those blokes,, usually on sections I knew Very well, and they had never ridden on. They were amazing.

The last year for 80s in the ISDE was 1993.

I'd like to see the small capacity bikes, And the "Jumbos", re-introduced into the ISDE / EWC. It's Not going to happen, but I really think we are missing out without the Tiddlers and Monsters.


Sure a amazing build, like the one he did whit a KDX 200 engine.
I like small cc bikes as much as the bigger!
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1/18/2018 11:29 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/19/2018 1:17 AM

Not a 70s, 80s . 90s or noughties model, but a new , 2018 model :

http://www.enduro21.com/index.php/40-general/2951-first-look-2018-beta-rr-50

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1/30/2018 1:02 PM

Tom_Briggs wrote:

Hi banana oil please could you help me I’m currently restoring one of these huge cr80 and I am having trouble on finding an exulst to fit. This is the last part I need many thank

Hi Tom! Sorry for the late reply. As far as I can see the only thing that is different between the huge cr80 exhaust and the std is that the connecting pipe to the muffler has a bend. If you can find a std exhaust for cr80 85 then try to modify the connecting pipe. Unfortunately i have no spare pipe.

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1/30/2018 1:03 PM

Sully wrote:

Why not get just a 125? A big wheel 80 looks odd.

The odd look is what makes them cool smile

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1/31/2018 2:01 AM



That looks like too much fun. Arcarons won the European Championship on this Montesa 75cc. When did the class go from 75cc to 80cc? That was why most early 80's were around 72cc. YZ, XR, TM apparently.
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1/31/2018 2:03 AM

skypig wrote:

A bit like the popular 100cc class in the US, in the ‘70’s?
Converted CR125’s, then YZ100’s etc.

Never seemed common in Australia.

100cc class was pretty big in SA, WA and Vic. Great racing at the Nationals in Darwin in 78. Jeff Leisk won

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1/31/2018 4:28 AM

skypig wrote:

A bit like the popular 100cc class in the US, in the ‘70’s?
Converted CR125’s, then YZ100’s etc.

Never seemed common in Australia.

Dropbear wrote:

100cc class was pretty big in SA, WA and Vic. Great racing at the Nationals in Darwin in 78. Jeff Leisk won

A RM100 won a few big Motos in OZ.

One of the years Gaston Rahier was here, when a few said that the reason he was winning races was because he was on Factory RA125s and RN370/400s, he jumped on a production RM100 and continued with his riding lessons.

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1/31/2018 5:05 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/31/2018 5:06 AM


A very young Paul Edmondson with his Enduro set up CR80, circa 1985(?)

I was aware of his brother,Derrick, through Trials, then Enduros, ( I think he was the Outright winner of the 1988 ISDE at Mende , France), but started to see Paul in the TMX newspaper on the CR80 Big Wheel:

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