Mid 90's MX

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Edited Date/Time 11/26/2014 5:36pm
With not much on tele last night, I clicked on youtube and watched the 1995 Gainesville MX National round. Man, that track was so gnarly by the time the first moto's ran, and must have been ridiculous on the last lap of the last moto. I haven't gone and watched any old races for a while, but it was so good to watch, and I still see this era as the greatest era of MX. I was just turning 13 in 95, and had just become a massive moto fan. I have actually been looking to buy a mid 90's motocross bike to restore back to original condition for the past 6 months, and have looked at over a dozen bikes, but all of them are absolutely thrashed. Watching this vid certainly helped motivate me to find one. There certainly are some good mid 90's builds on here, how did you guys go about finding those bikes ?? Also, where do you guys draw the line on whether a bike will make a good project/resto, or is just beyond fixing and would require too much work/money invested into it to get it back to pristine condition ??
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If you start with a Honda or Yamaha you are a step ahead. The hardware quality on the Hondas and Yamahas is much better than anything else from that era and they sold the most MX bikes so parts are readily available. If you found a thrashed '95 YZ250, you could completely rebuild the engine, frame, plastic and suspension for less than $800 in parts and have an awesome bike.

'85-'98 is my favorite era of MX (and I've been around for ALL the eras!Tongue )
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Thanks for the tips Vet !! I totally agree with you on the Honda or Yamaha option. They were way ahead of Kawi and Suzi as far as build quality, that's for sure. I would love to do a 96 YZ250 back to original, that would be way cool, first of the blue bikes. I really do like the Honda's, but with the MC replica thing being done to death, I wanted to do something different. Finding even relatively clean mid 90's bikes here in Aus is pretty much impossible !! Hopefully I find something I can work with soon.
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Too bad you don't live in Texas. I'm out of garage space so I am looking to move some bikes and I would part with my unrestored '95 if the price was right.

11/21/2014 9:32am
Forgothow nice those things were.

and I also watched the gainsville round the oth3r week

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IMO it doesn't matter what condition the bike is in as long as:

1) It's all there, or mostly there
2) major parts are not damaged like the cases and cylinder. Make sure you check the bottom of the cases real good.

If you're going to do a resto you're going to be replacing or restoring everything on the bike. So start with a bike YOU like. The most difficult items to find are seat covers, graphics and a clean pipe, so source those right off the bat.



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CamP wrote:
Too bad you don't live in Texas. I'm out of garage space so I am looking to move some bikes and I would part with my...
Too bad you don't live in Texas. I'm out of garage space so I am looking to move some bikes and I would part with my unrestored '95 if the price was right.

So nice!!
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Things you seriously wanna look out for on any bike.
- frame isnt too beaten up and will be ready for powder with minimal work.
- fork and shock are in good general condition (outer fork tubes etc.
- all original bolts (mine had all random bling red ano ones and its cost a fortune buying alll new replacements)
- crankcases and cylinder in decent ish condition. Theyll clean up well but look out for badly welded up cases etc.

Thats all i can think of off the top of my head, hope it helps.
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You save a lot of work and money if you find a low hour bike that has good frame, wheels and cylinder. I rather wait until the right bike shows up and collect trick parts meanwhile.

Here are my all original YZ125 97 that I will start tear down this winter together with my restored CR125 96.



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Craigslist with a 1k price cap, and impulse buy. It sounds odd, but it works for me. if you wait... its probably too late, and you will kick yourself in the rear. Its only money, you can always make more Wink
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CamP wrote:
Too bad you don't live in Texas. I'm out of garage space so I am looking to move some bikes and I would part with my...
Too bad you don't live in Texas. I'm out of garage space so I am looking to move some bikes and I would part with my unrestored '95 if the price was right.

Holy shit dude !!! That thing is UNREAL !!! I could get it here. How much ???
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IMO here are two things to consider/investigate before choosing which bike to buy from a cosmetic perspective...

First is the gas tank condition and availability to purchase new if needed- Obviously the white tanks are the worst..

The second thing is the seat cover because it can be difficult to find covers that will match the OEM. This is particularly the case when the seat color needs to match the plastics. I ran into this issue with my 91 CR.

All depends what you are looking to do. I personally prefer bikes restored to the original stock look, but that's just me.
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SwapperMX wrote:
Holy shit dude !!! That thing is UNREAL !!! I could get it here. How much ???
$2,500 with the stock forks, or $3k with the new CRF forks. Ti rear spring and Lightspeed Ti footpegs included.

Bike had about 20 hours on it when I bought it in 2010. Still had the original tires/chain/sprockets. I've put about 5 hours on it.
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CamP wrote:
$2,500 with the stock forks, or $3k with the new CRF forks. Ti rear spring and Lightspeed Ti footpegs included. Bike had about 20 hours on...
$2,500 with the stock forks, or $3k with the new CRF forks. Ti rear spring and Lightspeed Ti footpegs included.

Bike had about 20 hours on it when I bought it in 2010. Still had the original tires/chain/sprockets. I've put about 5 hours on it.
Damn dude, we could be on to something here. I am keen !! Would it come with a title ???
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CamP wrote:
$2,500 with the stock forks, or $3k with the new CRF forks. Ti rear spring and Lightspeed Ti footpegs included. Bike had about 20 hours on...
$2,500 with the stock forks, or $3k with the new CRF forks. Ti rear spring and Lightspeed Ti footpegs included.

Bike had about 20 hours on it when I bought it in 2010. Still had the original tires/chain/sprockets. I've put about 5 hours on it.
SwapperMX wrote:
Damn dude, we could be on to something here. I am keen !! Would it come with a title ???
It's never been titled, but I do have the original MSO. I'll take some detailed pics this week.
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Ah Cam.. Can't believe you're selling the '95! That bike is completely CHOICE. Man, whoever gets it will be very lucky. You NEVER see low hour CR250 steelies anymore. I had to settle on a roach for my '95 project.
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Ah Cam.. Can't believe you're selling the '95! That bike is completely CHOICE. Man, whoever gets it will be very lucky. You NEVER see low hour...
Ah Cam.. Can't believe you're selling the '95! That bike is completely CHOICE. Man, whoever gets it will be very lucky. You NEVER see low hour CR250 steelies anymore. I had to settle on a roach for my '95 project.
I'd prefer to keep it, but I'm tired of tip toeing through my garages. If I could sell a car, I'd hang on to all the bikes, but as it is now, something's got to go.

Up on the block are my:

1990 ZR-1 Corvette
1971 454 Corvette
2008 CRF450
1995 CR250
1987 CR250
1973 XR75
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Selling the XR75 and the 87 CR250? The 87 is pure freaking sweetness. You did the aluminum clutch housing on it after you got it from me didn't you?

The 90 ZR1??? Does it come with an anchor? Already has a boat motor in it, right???Smile
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11/24/2014 9:07am Edited Date/Time 11/24/2014 9:08am
OMFG, I worked on a 71 Vette 454 years ago, what a pain in the ass to work on. after months of work my boss told me to test drive it, I power shifted through all 4 gears, broke the spring. lol
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Selling the XR75 and the 87 CR250? The 87 is pure freaking sweetness. You did the aluminum clutch housing on it after you got it from...
Selling the XR75 and the 87 CR250? The 87 is pure freaking sweetness. You did the aluminum clutch housing on it after you got it from me didn't you?

The 90 ZR1??? Does it come with an anchor? Already has a boat motor in it, right???Smile
LOL, the ZR-1 is too fast to let an anchor hold it down. I did some massaging to the Lotus designed Mercruiser engine and it makes 432rwhp now. Not too shabby.

The 87 CR is sweet, but I really need to free up some space if I don't sell a car. I did replace the clutch housing with a new '89 part, so it should be good for the next 27 years.
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11/24/2014 9:26am Edited Date/Time 11/24/2014 9:28am
Kidkawie wrote:
OMFG, I worked on a 71 Vette 454 years ago, what a pain in the ass to work on. after months of work my boss told...
OMFG, I worked on a 71 Vette 454 years ago, what a pain in the ass to work on. after months of work my boss told me to test drive it, I power shifted through all 4 gears, broke the spring. lol
Yeah, there isn't much room left in the engine compartment, especially since it has AC. This one is pretty much all done, which is good since I'm really over working on cars.

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You see, Cam if you were a short guy (say, 5'8"), then you'd have plenty of room to get around to get at your toys! Just sayin'.
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Kidkawie wrote:
OMFG, I worked on a 71 Vette 454 years ago, what a pain in the ass to work on. after months of work my boss told...
OMFG, I worked on a 71 Vette 454 years ago, what a pain in the ass to work on. after months of work my boss told me to test drive it, I power shifted through all 4 gears, broke the spring. lol
CamP wrote:
Yeah, there isn't much room left in the engine compartment, especially since it has AC. This one is pretty much all done, which is good since...
Yeah, there isn't much room left in the engine compartment, especially since it has AC. This one is pretty much all done, which is good since I'm really over working on cars.

I see a War Bonnet Yellow one parked right next to yours which appears to be straight yellow. I did a resto lacquer job from bare glass up on a 70 model war bonnet yellow big block car back in 1985. Still looks good today, spends lots of time in the garage. Ugly ass color in the can, but all trimmed out with fresh chrome and trim sure looks sweet on the car.

The only pic I have, one he sent me a couple years ago.


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11/24/2014 1:18pm Edited Date/Time 11/24/2014 1:25pm
You see, Cam if you were a short guy (say, 5'8"), then you'd have plenty of room to get around to get at your toys! Just...
You see, Cam if you were a short guy (say, 5'8"), then you'd have plenty of room to get around to get at your toys! Just sayin'.
LOL, at least I'm a skinny sky scraper! Makes changing light bulbs easier.
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newmann wrote:
I see a War Bonnet Yellow one parked right next to yours which appears to be straight yellow. I did a resto lacquer job from bare...
I see a War Bonnet Yellow one parked right next to yours which appears to be straight yellow. I did a resto lacquer job from bare glass up on a 70 model war bonnet yellow big block car back in 1985. Still looks good today, spends lots of time in the garage. Ugly ass color in the can, but all trimmed out with fresh chrome and trim sure looks sweet on the car.

The only pic I have, one he sent me a couple years ago.


Yep, that war bonnet yellow car is a one owner cream puff. It was a popular Corvette color back in the day.

Mine is Sunflower yellow, which was pretty rare. When I bought it in 1990, it had a 2 year old lacquer paint job that's also held up well over the last 26 years. Keeping them out of the sun seems to be the key to maintaining lacquer.
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CamP wrote:
It's never been titled, but I do have the original MSO. I'll take some detailed pics this week.
Being from Australia, can you please explain what that means ?? The freight company I have used to transport bikes states that you need a title and bill of sale, so I would like to ask them about this. Thanks. Can I get you email address too man, might be easier !!
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11/24/2014 2:01pm Edited Date/Time 11/24/2014 2:04pm
MSO is manufacturers statement of origin. Not an actual assigned title. You cannot use it to trade a bike in at a dealer here in Texas.

I purchased and had a bike shipped from Australia to the US with no title and no issues. Air freight....quick but expensive!

Who do you ship with there?
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newmann wrote:
MSO is manufacturers statement of origin. Not an actual assigned title. You cannot use it to trade a bike in at a dealer here in Texas...
MSO is manufacturers statement of origin. Not an actual assigned title. You cannot use it to trade a bike in at a dealer here in Texas.

I purchased and had a bike shipped from Australia to the US with no title and no issues. Air freight....quick but expensive!

Who do you ship with there?
That's awesome mate, thanks. There is a company based on the Gold Coast that bring over a lot of vintage bikes and are fairly reasonable price wise to bring you own bike over. Yeah I have also brought over bikes before with no title, but the companies here now advertise the shipping to be more expensive if the bike doesn't have a title. If you have any suggestions for freight I'd love to hear them.
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Ah Cam.. Can't believe you're selling the '95! That bike is completely CHOICE. Man, whoever gets it will be very lucky. You NEVER see low hour...
Ah Cam.. Can't believe you're selling the '95! That bike is completely CHOICE. Man, whoever gets it will be very lucky. You NEVER see low hour CR250 steelies anymore. I had to settle on a roach for my '95 project.
CamP wrote:
I'd prefer to keep it, but I'm tired of tip toeing through my garages. If I could sell a car, I'd hang on to all the...
I'd prefer to keep it, but I'm tired of tip toeing through my garages. If I could sell a car, I'd hang on to all the bikes, but as it is now, something's got to go.

Up on the block are my:

1990 ZR-1 Corvette
1971 454 Corvette
2008 CRF450
1995 CR250
1987 CR250
1973 XR75
Cam,

Let me know if you hear anybody looking for another 87 CR 250 with a trick cone pipe on it. LOL

I'm looking for something different to purchase.

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