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Curious how AHRMA will find time to insert 10 additional classes into their vintage/PV race program. These are more classes than Unadilla’s promotor classes and Rewind needed Saturday first moto Sunday second to get through their Sunday PV/promotor program.
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My classes;
Adam and Eve: Any bike from about 1890 - 1973'ish
Getting warmer: 1974 - 1979
Darwin: 1980 - 1984
Super Dawin: 1985 - 1989
Not that bad: 1990 - 1999
Pretty much new: 2000- 2010
There you have it, five motos per day, full gates every start, slow guys get lapped, fast guys still win. Probably even have time to throw in some age classes. I'd love to see a GP event, with 30 - 40 min moto's or even a exhibition class that runs all the truly oddball bikes and riders that don't fit in. They could be the star of the show a bit more as I truly love seeing a true 60's bike and rider in period correct gear on the track.
It's great AHMRA is supporting the 80s and 90s bikes, but it sort of escapes me why there would need to be a Next Gen and especially modern 2T bike divisions. Those bikes can run in modern racing and do just fine. It's just more classes to manage.
A lot of my thought process is driven by turnout and what you can squeeze into a day - our organization is still small enough to get through a race day with classes from the 1960s up to 96. Last season we had 84-ish possible classes on any given race day, usually run in 22-24 gates.
I guess if the events are split between days or are held separately it works, but I for one like seeing all of the different age bikes out there.
Then again... if you split events, you can have tracks that are more fun for the given years.
Have to say - it's not right that a 1986 KX is DQ'ed from racing other 86s because of the stupid disc. Or the 87 RM 125 that will have to compete against 97 CR 125s for the same reason, when in fact it can't even run with an 86 CR!
The structure will definitely continue to drive up prices of 86 Hondas, that's for sure.
I hate the complicated system of separating bikes of the same year. 1987s should race 87s regardless of what kind of rear brake they have just like they did back in 87.
There are a list of oversights and mistakes I see in the groupings.
For example they put KTMs together up to 2000 and then 01s in a different group with the PDS shock. Well the PDS came out in 98. So the actual cut off for KTMs should have been 97.
A 2000 Husqvarna 125 is Millennium bike but a 2000 RM 125 is Next Generation?
An 05 YZ races one class but an 06 goes in a different one because of the shock spring material?
Too much emphasis on details that don’t matter.
I have not raced an AHRMA event since 2005 and from what I know there are no PV classes running now out here. Out here I mean Nor Cal (center of the state). I know SoCal has races, but to far for me.
I entered my first AHRMA event in 2002 racing PV and just assumed the vintage and PV people were all friends, not the case. Not necessarily enemies, just the vintage guys didn't want us there, we ruined the tracks. Felt like an out cast at some of the events. I didn't stop racing because of this, I had other things in life that needed to be attended to. Now I wanted to go back to it and it doesn't exist. Sucks for me. I guess I should become a member again and vote.
Do a Pre 89 group and a Pre 99 group.
If VMX wants to add support classes for modern 2 strokes...just make it one group from the 2000s to 2018. There is no need to separate 06 RM 250s and 2016 YZ 250s.
As was mentioned earlier lots of the old vintage guys all ready frown upon 1986 watercooled, powervalve mx bikes at the events.
I do some PNW events but never AHRMA. To be honest I think the PNW group does a good job and there are more opportunities to race than most people will follow. There are a few like Boise and Washougal that get good turnouts. Plus we did the Revolution Triple Crown this year which piggybacked some late 80s/90s classes at 3 modern races.
Like Mark said, if an good event was organized people will come. I would have liked to ride Rattlers Run here in Eastern WA but I understood it was strictly vintage. If there could be a day of like that for post vintage bikes I’d be there.
It also looks like Next Gen bikes have to run white backgrounds/black numbers, while the rest of the classes make no mention of number plate colors. Not sure what the point of that is. I’m old school, I want black backgrounds on my 125 and yellow backgrounds on my 500.
Lots of details to work out but I see this as a step in the right direction.
Unfortunately the older generation is ageing out of racing and the bikes of the early years are becoming cost prohibitive to race.
I like post vintage for the fact you don't have to buy a 10,000 bike to be competitive like modern mx. And NO MINIBIKES. lol.
I'd just like to see AHMRA take this opportunity to simplify the rules and make it fun for us kids.
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