1978,79,80 Honda CR250R, which is the Best ?

Edited Date/Time 4/2/2016 9:14am
Like the title says, of those three years, which do you think is the best bike for Vintage racing. I know the best is always subjective, but I would like to hear what you guys have to say.

I know the 78/79 are very similar, and the 1980 had quite a few changes with the center port motor and I not sure what else.

I'm a old fat B rider at best. I've never been into the fastest most explosive motors, I like motors with a broad easy to ride power band. Of the three I would like the one with the best suspension and handling, which I would assume would be the 1980.

Any advise from you guys that have owned and race at least two of the three years would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks



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cag33
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I have never ridden a 1980. I have a 79 and I would not describe it as having a Broad powerband.
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Stock 80 model was more of a lower end/midrange power delivery aimed towards SX of the time. 78 and 79 were higher rpm power bikes. Tydog here on Vital just finished up a complete rebuild of his 79 model and he commented that the thing hauls ass. The 80 model went with the twin downtube frame to eliminate flex but the one inch longer swingarm added it back in. Suspension flat out sucked on all of them, cheap suspenders to keep a works bike affordable. The 37mm front forks flex like no tomorrow and the rear shocks suck.
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I like the 78 and 79 CR 250 just on looks alone and they are great bikes, no matter which one you get it will be fun to race vintage on it.

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2/7/2014 5:04am
newmann wrote:
Stock 80 model was more of a lower end/midrange power delivery aimed towards SX of the time. 78 and 79 were higher rpm power bikes. Tydog...
Stock 80 model was more of a lower end/midrange power delivery aimed towards SX of the time. 78 and 79 were higher rpm power bikes. Tydog here on Vital just finished up a complete rebuild of his 79 model and he commented that the thing hauls ass. The 80 model went with the twin downtube frame to eliminate flex but the one inch longer swingarm added it back in. Suspension flat out sucked on all of them, cheap suspenders to keep a works bike affordable. The 37mm front forks flex like no tomorrow and the rear shocks suck.
I had both 1978 and 1979 CR250R's and loved them.
Forks and shocks sucked like Newmann says, so I put a set of Simmons forks on and a pair of 17 1/2" Fox shocks on the rear.
I also added the best Metzler tires and a few other personal items. Out of all of my race bikes from 1972 to 1986 it was my most favorite moto scooter other than the 1983 Honda CR480.
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If you find one that doesn't have cracked rims, don't worry. They will crack soon. Laughing
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2/7/2014 11:43am Edited Date/Time 2/7/2014 12:43pm
'77. But all the '77s were works bikes, so a bit difficult to find.
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What FTE said! 79
2/7/2014 9:15pm
79 had the best engine of the 3. Best porting. 78 was next, 80 was all bottom/mid like Joe said. Seems to be a pattern with Honda. Build a great engine and then spend years detuning it.
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I raced all three when they were new. Like others have said, the '78 and '79 were very close. Pretty much the same
suspension (which no one used), and the power was definitely mid and up. The '80 saw some pretty big changes and
many viewed it as a step back in power and a step up in suspension. If you are a vet B rider, you'll probably feel more
comfortable on an '80 with it's novice to intermediate friendly powerband. If you're carrying some extra weight, make
sure to reinforce the frame (steering head) and foot peg mounts, especially if you switch to wider pegs (recommended).
You will also want to upgrade the suspension and the front brake if rules allow. A double leading shoe and some mid
80s forks along with aftermarket piggyback shocks will make your life more comfortable.

I don't race vintage MX. Once around with dual shocks and no brakes is enough.

dogger
2/12/2014 12:16pm Edited Date/Time 2/12/2014 7:38pm
newmann wrote:
If you find one that doesn't have cracked rims, don't worry. They will crack soon. Laughing
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2/13/2014 12:04am Edited Date/Time 2/13/2014 8:44am
Hey guys thanks for all the great input. Sounds like the 1980 would be the best for me, as far as the motor & frame, and it sounds like they all need new suspension, which is kind of a bummer, since all the legal stuff, guys are asking an Arm and a leg for it.
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Had em all. The 'centre port 80 was definitely more refined. When push came to shove I used the breathed on '79 when a title was on the line
2/13/2014 5:30am
Here's my 1980. (No thats not me!!) 43mm cartridge forks, KLP swing arm (1" longer than stock) 1979 CR 125 tank and Works performance shock. (plus loads of other stuff) It handles and feels like a modern bike.

A lot of people think the 1980 is slow cause its softer, its not. It;s a little easier to ride than the 1979 and they handle that little bit better. With a few mods they are capable of holding there own with the modern boys too. I regularly race against modern bikes... I'm never last. usually around the top 10 at most meetings.



2/14/2014 8:30pm
StevieD113 wrote:
Here's my 1980. (No thats not me!!) 43mm cartridge forks, KLP swing arm (1" longer than stock) 1979 CR 125 tank and Works performance shock. (plus...
Here's my 1980. (No thats not me!!) 43mm cartridge forks, KLP swing arm (1" longer than stock) 1979 CR 125 tank and Works performance shock. (plus loads of other stuff) It handles and feels like a modern bike.

A lot of people think the 1980 is slow cause its softer, its not. It;s a little easier to ride than the 1979 and they handle that little bit better. With a few mods they are capable of holding there own with the modern boys too. I regularly race against modern bikes... I'm never last. usually around the top 10 at most meetings.



Totally Awesome looking bike Steve !!
Hey Steve, I have a question, what's the length of the stock rear shock ? and what is the longest shock people put on these with after market swing arms ?
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I agree with ya Donny,that bike is easy to look at,,,,memories,um.
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StevieD113 wrote:
Here's my 1980. (No thats not me!!) 43mm cartridge forks, KLP swing arm (1" longer than stock) 1979 CR 125 tank and Works performance shock. (plus...
Here's my 1980. (No thats not me!!) 43mm cartridge forks, KLP swing arm (1" longer than stock) 1979 CR 125 tank and Works performance shock. (plus loads of other stuff) It handles and feels like a modern bike.

A lot of people think the 1980 is slow cause its softer, its not. It;s a little easier to ride than the 1979 and they handle that little bit better. With a few mods they are capable of holding there own with the modern boys too. I regularly race against modern bikes... I'm never last. usually around the top 10 at most meetings.



Nice looking bike, what is the reason of going with the 125 tank ?
2/15/2014 4:48am
I saw a picture of the works bikes in "SX trim" and it had a 125 tank. I though it looked cool.. thats it really!

Plus, the bike was basically built out of parts, a frame from here the motor from someone else.. I didnt have a stock plastic tank to go on it anyway! That why I ended up using the '86 cartridge forks. They were given to me by a friend, friend years ago and I didnt have any stock ones.... so I used the 86 ones I had in the shed.

Stock shock length in 17.5", We keep the stock length. The 1" longer arm (2" longer than a '79) makes a real difference to the handling, it's more stable,and it turns better aswell. One thing we found with the 43mm forks, they are longer than the stock 37mm's. So if you run them "flush" with the top of the top yoke the bike handels like a pig! It pushes on in corners, and trys to climb out of ruts. They need to be slid through so they are the same length as the orignal forks, my memory is telling me 914mm from the top face of the top yoke to the axle center, but its easy to double check.

Stevie
2/19/2014 9:50am
The bikes are nice to look at!
But building a quality race bike with new parts,
And trick parts, good luck with that
You better have deep pockets
Or buy a bike that someone else spent
piles of cash on

Junk in stock condition, I owned 2
79 and a 80. They just fell apart
compared to my yamaha's
Better off with the other big three, or
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This is my restored first race bike, a 1978 CR250R. I have been looking for replace mine for 35 years, when I sold it in 1980.
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All three years are good. Keep in mind the red ones are the fastest. CoolCool
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Sure would be a good time for Tydog to drop by with a few pics of the mint 1980 rolling chassis I dug up for him to stuff a big block in....
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I owned a 79 and have ridden two 1980 models and the 1980 is a way better bike /very nice low to mid power and to me handles way better than the 78/79 model.
3/29/2016 4:37am
newmann wrote:
Sure would be a good time for Tydog to drop by with a few pics of the mint 1980 rolling chassis I dug up for him...
Sure would be a good time for Tydog to drop by with a few pics of the mint 1980 rolling chassis I dug up for him to stuff a big block in....
Here's our version Newmann.

Having spent the last few weekends dangling off the back of it, I can say these are the most incredible bikes. Handles better than the 250. More power than you could ever need. Sublime.



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What are you guys mounting the upper cylinder head mount to on the frame side. I'm going through my 80 CR250 now and planned to run a 79 head. I have the Fox sketch to make the bracket but don't see anything to bolt it to other than a wimpy looking tab that hangs down.
3/29/2016 9:35am Edited Date/Time 3/29/2016 9:37am
450exc115 wrote:
What are you guys mounting the upper cylinder head mount to on the frame side. I'm going through my 80 CR250 now and planned to run...
What are you guys mounting the upper cylinder head mount to on the frame side. I'm going through my 80 CR250 now and planned to run a 79 head. I have the Fox sketch to make the bracket but don't see anything to bolt it to other than a wimpy looking tab that hangs down.
I run a 79 head on my 1980. You cant use a FOX head steady though as the bracing tube above the engine is in different position on an '80 and it simply wont fit.

I cut the air box mouning tab off (the wimpy tab you mention) and turned up a steel bobbin the same widthe as the 79 mouning point, and using an original 79 head steady bracket (along with the 79 airbox mouning tab) to position it welded it to the frame. The i used the 79 air box tab (its just a simple L shaped bracket) and a billet version of the stock 79 head steady mount.



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