1976 San Antonio 125 National

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4/12/2017 2:23 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/12/2017 2:32 AM

YouTube suggested this at me and it didn't come up in a quick search on Vital, plus I doubt anyone of a certain age who's seen this before really minds watching it again. Possibly the apogee of hop-up shops in U. S. racing--Hannah said he almost never got a holeshot against the Elsinores from FMF and elsewhere, but he would reel them in when the air-cooled engines (and riders) faded during the 40+2 motos. Looks like it starts with a qualifier won by Don Kudalski. No sound so remember how it sounded. For an authentic viewing experience, you should set your home's heater to 105 F and run a humidifier next to yourself. There are parts of this where you see Smith and Hannah snap through S-turns and you can see how fast those guys really were.

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4/12/2017 7:56 AM

Nice! Thanks, never saw that one.

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4/12/2017 10:49 AM

I see Billy Joyce in there....

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4/12/2017 12:53 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/12/2017 1:45 PM

At 0.28 secs in (on the start line), thats not Kenny Roberts is it, doing some MX? Presume not but I know he did some dirt tracking as well as road racing obviously....Just saw 'Roberts' on the jersey and those famous Yamaha stripes on the sleeves....number '703'?

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Always was an excellent rider ...... at crashing usually

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4/12/2017 3:53 PM

Mini Elsinore wrote:

I see Billy Joyce in there....

Hey Mini, do you know Billy Joyce? Reason I ask is I have a frame that I believe was that bike. It is stamped CAH0001 or something like that. I had correspondence with Scott Heidbrink who wrote an article in one of the magazines back then. He had worked for Cliff and based off the photo, seemed to think it was at least one of the frames they used.

I checked on Billy Joyce's finishes and he went to a Suzuki some time in 77.

Cool link!

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4/12/2017 3:54 PM

a22 wrote:

At 0.28 secs in (on the start line), thats not Kenny Roberts is it, doing some MX? Presume not but I know he did some dirt tracking as well as road racing obviously....Just saw 'Roberts' on the jersey and those famous Yamaha stripes on the sleeves....number '703'?

A22, that would be Eddie Roberts. He hailed from Irving Texas and was a DFW local expert. Good guy as well

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4/12/2017 4:03 PM

a22 wrote:

At 0.28 secs in (on the start line), thats not Kenny Roberts is it, doing some MX? Presume not but I know he did some dirt tracking as well as road racing obviously....Just saw 'Roberts' on the jersey and those famous Yamaha stripes on the sleeves....number '703'?

Hasletjoe wrote:

A22, that would be Eddie Roberts. He hailed from Irving Texas and was a DFW local expert. Good guy as well

Aah cheers Joe for that, you seem to know your Texan riders!
Yep- thought it prob wasn't 'King Kenny' (or whatever they call him) but the name on the shirt and the Yammy stripes kind of looked like him and the time period may have been nearly correct.

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Always was an excellent rider ...... at crashing usually

Moto Aspes, you know you want one

4/13/2017 8:27 AM

Mini Elsinore wrote:

I see Billy Joyce in there....

Hasletjoe wrote:

Hey Mini, do you know Billy Joyce? Reason I ask is I have a frame that I believe was that bike. It is stamped CAH0001 or something like that. I had correspondence with Scott Heidbrink who wrote an article in one of the magazines back then. He had worked for Cliff and based off the photo, seemed to think it was at least one of the frames they used.

I checked on Billy Joyce's finishes and he went to a Suzuki some time in 77.

Cool link!

I don't know Billy, but I was standing somewhere along that fence and he caught my eye as a kid. Very cool if you have one of his frames!

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4/13/2017 11:44 AM

The track is still out there. The guy that lives on site has a penchant for Honda Odyssey FL250's. He occasionaly takes them out and runs around the track.

Bought some vintage parts off him about 10 years ago.

Still smells like the sewage plant across the street too.sick

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You kids get off my lawn!

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4/13/2017 10:15 PM

DavetheVintageGuy wrote:

The track is still out there. The guy that lives on site has a penchant for Honda Odyssey FL250's. He occasionaly takes them out and runs around the track.

Bought some vintage parts off him about 10 years ago.

Still smells like the sewage plant across the street too.sick

We need to petition the county historical society to erect a marker like this outside the entrance:
Photo

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4/13/2017 10:33 PM

DavetheVintageGuy wrote:

The track is still out there. The guy that lives on site has a penchant for Honda Odyssey FL250's. He occasionaly takes them out and runs around the track.

Bought some vintage parts off him about 10 years ago.

Still smells like the sewage plant across the street too.sick

speedman wrote:

We need to petition the county historical society to erect a marker like this outside the entrance:
Photo

THAT.
IS.
FUCKING.
AWESOME.
laughinglaughinglaughing

Especially the part about Jody. And I think Gianatsis probably would try to claim credit for it too at some point.blink

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4/14/2017 12:21 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/14/2017 12:24 AM

Thanks--I probably got details wrong from doing it off the top of my head, but that spurs discussion. wink I'm writing a book on Republic of Texas history and next year I'm going to be agitating for a couple of markers for legendary Texas Ranger episodes whose location I believe I've managed to pin down close enough to commemorate that way, so I looked into the marker process a little, and can't help thinking sometimes of other markers I'd like to see laughing That's the thing about history, though--if that photo didn't exist, that incident would just be conflicting verbal accounts. . . .

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5/19/2018 8:14 AM

speedman wrote:

Thanks--I probably got details wrong from doing it off the top of my head, but that spurs discussion. wink I'm writing a book on Republic of Texas history and next year I'm going to be agitating for a couple of markers for legendary Texas Ranger episodes whose location I believe I've managed to pin down close enough to commemorate that way, so I looked into the marker process a little, and can't help thinking sometimes of other markers I'd like to see laughing That's the thing about history, though--if that photo didn't exist, that incident would just be conflicting verbal accounts. . . .

When that race went down I lived in Houston and did the Rio Bravo and Rio Grande tracks. I went to race there at CycleRAMA in 1978, I think? Now that I live South of San Antonio I have occasion to go by Cycle Center Motorcycle Shop on Southton Road. There on Blue Wing Road is Dos Rios Treatment Plant. A strong waker upper!

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5/21/2018 5:04 PM


I saw that race, at the time I did'nt know about the Brock thing. That was one hell of a track,I broke a collar bone there I think 1975 in the mini bike class. Also went to Gary Baily's Mx school and also went to, oh hell can't remember his name.His son was mini bike star from southern California,old age setting in I guess. I lived in San Antonio and raced there a lot ,great thread !
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