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http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=6571826
Report: George Hincapie names Lance
So George, who has never tested positive for PED's comes forward and incriminates himself and Lance.
What prerogative would a seemingly innocent man have in ratting himself out?
Report: George Hincapie names Lance
So George, who has never tested positive for PED's comes forward and incriminates himself and Lance.
What prerogative would a seemingly innocent man have in ratting himself out?
That being said, I never really gave a shit because I believed that the use of PEDs was so widespread, it amounted to a level playing field. If Lance was clean and the rest weren't, more power to him. But if he was using, it's not like some other top contender was clean and got screwed out of a title.
The Shop
As for athletes they are all doing something illegal or unethical to gain an advantage?
Just think, Lance is not only one of the best cyclist in the world but one of the best cheaters to get away with it for this long.
They can ruin someone when they didn't do anything wrong by saying I have your name on this paper.
But here's what gets me: if it's a level playing field and they are all on drugs, Lance beats the other druggies. If it's a level playing field and none are on drugs, Lance still beats the others. If Lance is the only one not on drugs and the rest are, and he still beats them, then Lance is a god (and so he would have you believe). But imagine this scenario: what if Lance is the cycling god most believe him to be, and instead of doing drugs to keep from falling behind the others who are drugging, he instead exposes the sport for what it is, leads the charge in cleaning it up, then still wins all his titles with everyone clean. That would have made a much more compelling story. As much as I loved watching him race - I never followed cycling otherwise but watched the Tour de France religiously back to the LeMond days - I always did think the guy was an asshole.
I am sure I'll catch flack, but whatever. You guys have no clue about how this works or what their after.
A big thing that people fail to see in the Federal Investigation is that it's not so much after Lance. But rather his ties with drug companies. There is a lot talk that they aren't after him as much as the drug companies for releasing pre clinical trial stuff to him and other teammates.
With how new drugs are developed and how long it takes them, for example if a drug hits market today, it has likely been in existence for around 15 years or maybe even longer. Thats how long it takes to clear testing and what not. Now if someone were to get ahold of a new generation EPO, CERA etc type drug. They could take it and not fail a test. If you were tested for CERA 5 years ago, you wouldn't fail and nothing would look weird on your test. CERA and EPO create new blood cells in completely different ways. One test WILL NOT show the other. The test are VERY specific and they only test for what they know the riders are on.
Another thing. They can't test for blood packing or blood transfusions. Plenty of teams remove blood, extract red blood cells and replace it back in. And in grand tours, it was common to do transfusions of your own blood to help recover faster. There's not testing for any of that.
And as for why Floyd or Tyler would now come clean? Well, things can eat at you for a long time. They both got a shitty deal. Floyd is one of the nicest guys I've ever meet any where in the world. I am proud to say I am friends with him. I spent a good bit of time training with him last winter. He was a changed person, for the better, after last year when everything finally came out. And Tyler, I don't know him but we have plenty of mutual friends. And I don't know a single person that has a bad thing to say about him that actually knows him.
Yet another point. If you lie to Pat McQuaid (UCI president), WADA, UCI etc, you lose your job at worst. You lie to the feds, and you can to federal pound you in the ass prison. There's a big difference between these guys being asked about others doping when WADA asks them and the feds asking questions.
One last point. I don't know anyone that knows Lance and likes him. Yea, you might have meet him at some autograph thing and thought he was great, and he raises money for cancer, etc. But I still don't know anyone that really likes him or has much positive to say about him as a person.
Now, I am sure no one will believe any of what I have to say or whatever. But, no one on here believes what is posted about how things work in moto either, so this shouldn't be any different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMSJrrr9zXo
I've been convinced that MX is dirty for years..
Pit Row
The only way pro sports such as cycling will get clean, is not testing, but pulling the money through disgrace of the sport. If no one watches it, sponsers will pull away and the purity of a club ride will be the result. If theres good money to be made, then the cheating will continue.
in my limited experience in cycling, the best a human being can do naturally is get to about a cat-2 level. everything ive ever heard is that EVERY guy riding at the tour de france level is cheating one way or another. these are highly competitive guys that are competitive beyond most peoples comprehension.
throw in the fact that cyclists are a odd bunch to begin with and its just a real foreign world for most to understand.
bottom line is lance never got caught, and never will. and the guys he beat were no doubt cheating themselves.
im sure at some point we'll find out the real reason tyler is coming out about this. not that it affects his credibility imo. even jose canseco had a motive, but he has never been caught in a lie.
the cycling/pharma world is what matt414 says it is. and imo, i do not see the point of testing for stuff youre never going to catch. its a losing battle. its hard to call a guy a cheater when everyone on the starting line is doing the same thing in one fashion or another.
despite all the "cheating"....it takes nothing away from the amount of work that these guys put into there athletic careers. it only goes to show their competitive spirit. show me an athlete who isnt willing to cheat or take PED's if they know it will make them a champion and i will show you a liar.
Fuking NOT!
And wouldn't the dopers be able to train at least as much, if not more?
They're all easy marks so some freaks in Washington look good and get reelected. Going after, lets say, a defense contractor is a dangerous slope.
I don't agree with the guy on a lot but someone just said, and I paraphrase, " with the serious issues we have in the country/world we shouldn't get distracted by the carnies and sideshow barkers" .
Sports doping = sideshow in this climate.
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