Words of Wisdom

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Edited Date/Time 1/4/2013 10:40am
Mark Twain once said;
“In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second hand, and without examination.”

I don’t think I have ever seen more graphic demonstration of the truth in that statement than in some of the stupid red team vs blue team threads in Non-Moto. The Fiscal Cliff thread is a great example.

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts puts it even more succinctly in a recent column;
“In my 35 years of experience in journalism, I have found that most readers read in order to confirm what they already think and believe. It is the same for the right-wing and the left-wing. They cannot escape their ideological boxes and are creatures of their biases. They want their prejudices vindicated and their beliefs supported. A writer who tells them something that they do not want to hear receives abuse. These readers cannot benefit from facts and new information and change their minds. They already know everything and only want information that supports their beliefs and advances their agendas.

If a writer makes the case so clear that readers simply cannot avoid it, the reader will intentionally misread the article or book and attack the writer for saying everything that he does not say. The chorus will join in the effort to shut down the unwelcome information before it reaches others.”


Sound familiar?
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1/3/2013 1:33pm
7I3N wrote:
Mark Twain once said; [i]“In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second hand, and without examination.”[/i] I don’t...
Mark Twain once said;
“In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second hand, and without examination.”

I don’t think I have ever seen more graphic demonstration of the truth in that statement than in some of the stupid red team vs blue team threads in Non-Moto. The Fiscal Cliff thread is a great example.

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts puts it even more succinctly in a recent column;
“In my 35 years of experience in journalism, I have found that most readers read in order to confirm what they already think and believe. It is the same for the right-wing and the left-wing. They cannot escape their ideological boxes and are creatures of their biases. They want their prejudices vindicated and their beliefs supported. A writer who tells them something that they do not want to hear receives abuse. These readers cannot benefit from facts and new information and change their minds. They already know everything and only want information that supports their beliefs and advances their agendas.

If a writer makes the case so clear that readers simply cannot avoid it, the reader will intentionally misread the article or book and attack the writer for saying everything that he does not say. The chorus will join in the effort to shut down the unwelcome information before it reaches others.”


Sound familiar?
Don't you think this applies to you as well?
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1/3/2013 1:53pm
Don't you think this applies to you as well?
It would...if I religiously clung to the philosophical dogma of one of the two major teams like you do. Wink

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1/3/2013 2:14pm
7I3N wrote:
It would...if I religiously clung to the philosophical dogma of one of the two major teams like you do. Wink
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody else. Really you guys just have weirder preconceived ideas than most people do and think you arrived at your beliefs with some sort of special discernment powers which really you do not have.
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1/3/2013 2:43pm
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody...
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody else. Really you guys just have weirder preconceived ideas than most people do and think you arrived at your beliefs with some sort of special discernment powers which really you do not have.
Being a member of this group or that is not what makes anyone a critical thinker. Being a critical thinker is what makes you independent from the groups. But I’m not surprised that you don’t get that.
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1/3/2013 2:43pm
7I3N wrote:
It would...if I religiously clung to the philosophical dogma of one of the two major teams like you do. Wink
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody...
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody else. Really you guys just have weirder preconceived ideas than most people do and think you arrived at your beliefs with some sort of special discernment powers which really you do not have.
But at least Libertarians weren't at the helm while the country ran aground off the coast of hell, and sunk.

All the republocrat cheerleaders and loyalists are cheering for the teams that have ruined our country...and that counts for something, right?
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1/3/2013 10:54pm
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody...
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody else. Really you guys just have weirder preconceived ideas than most people do and think you arrived at your beliefs with some sort of special discernment powers which really you do not have.
Just keep beaking off and proving them right while you stuff your head in the sand.

It's comical really.
1/4/2013 9:29am
7I3N wrote:
It would...if I religiously clung to the philosophical dogma of one of the two major teams like you do. Wink
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody...
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody else. Really you guys just have weirder preconceived ideas than most people do and think you arrived at your beliefs with some sort of special discernment powers which really you do not have.
Titan1 wrote:
But at least Libertarians weren't at the helm while the country ran aground off the coast of hell, and sunk. All the republocrat cheerleaders and loyalists...
But at least Libertarians weren't at the helm while the country ran aground off the coast of hell, and sunk.

All the republocrat cheerleaders and loyalists are cheering for the teams that have ruined our country...and that counts for something, right?
Last time I checked Ron and Rand Paul were members of the Republican party, do you count them as part of one of the teams that ruined the country?
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1/4/2013 9:40am
7I3N wrote:
It would...if I religiously clung to the philosophical dogma of one of the two major teams like you do. Wink
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody...
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody else. Really you guys just have weirder preconceived ideas than most people do and think you arrived at your beliefs with some sort of special discernment powers which really you do not have.
From the OP:
They cannot escape their ideological boxes and are creatures of their biases. They want their prejudices vindicated and their beliefs supported. A writer who tells them something that they do not want to hear receives abuse.

Oh sweet irony.......lmao.
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1/4/2013 10:19am
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody...
You are no different, you just happen to cling to tin hat Libertarian dogmas that's all. Libertarian tin hatters are no greater critical thinkers than everybody else. Really you guys just have weirder preconceived ideas than most people do and think you arrived at your beliefs with some sort of special discernment powers which really you do not have.
Titan1 wrote:
But at least Libertarians weren't at the helm while the country ran aground off the coast of hell, and sunk. All the republocrat cheerleaders and loyalists...
But at least Libertarians weren't at the helm while the country ran aground off the coast of hell, and sunk.

All the republocrat cheerleaders and loyalists are cheering for the teams that have ruined our country...and that counts for something, right?
Last time I checked Ron and Rand Paul were members of the Republican party, do you count them as part of one of the teams that...
Last time I checked Ron and Rand Paul were members of the Republican party, do you count them as part of one of the teams that ruined the country?
Ron Paul is a libertarian trying to play in a two party system...he had no choice but to call himself a republican if he wanted any sort of platform. If you look at his policies, positions, and voting record he is absolutely NOT a part of the republican establishment that ruined the country.
1/4/2013 10:40am
Titan1 wrote:
But at least Libertarians weren't at the helm while the country ran aground off the coast of hell, and sunk. All the republocrat cheerleaders and loyalists...
But at least Libertarians weren't at the helm while the country ran aground off the coast of hell, and sunk.

All the republocrat cheerleaders and loyalists are cheering for the teams that have ruined our country...and that counts for something, right?
Last time I checked Ron and Rand Paul were members of the Republican party, do you count them as part of one of the teams that...
Last time I checked Ron and Rand Paul were members of the Republican party, do you count them as part of one of the teams that ruined the country?
Titan1 wrote:
Ron Paul is a libertarian trying to play in a two party system...he had no choice but to call himself a republican if he wanted any...
Ron Paul is a libertarian trying to play in a two party system...he had no choice but to call himself a republican if he wanted any sort of platform. If you look at his policies, positions, and voting record he is absolutely NOT a part of the republican establishment that ruined the country.
So, what you are saying is you can be a member of one of the major parties agreeing with its primary principles and values yet maintain the ability to disagree with some of the policies and practices. Okay, gotcha.

What about Rand?

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