What WMD's?

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Chemical weapons? No way......

http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-says-terrorists-seize-chemical-weapons-21432…
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Chemical weapons? No way......

http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-says-terrorists-seize-chemical-weapons-21432…
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There was never any doubt. At least to those with a functioning brain.
Don't need a brain to read a tag that says "Made in the USA".....

Our government has the receipt from selling them the fucking things they damn well should know what's there....lol.
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jonjon714 7/9/2014 10:45am
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Bush lied!

Get over it already....
Aceofspades 7/12/2014 6:14am
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Virtually every Democrat voted to go to war with Iraq based on the exact same intelligence that the cia gave to the hated Bush, yet it is he alone that "lied us into war" lol. Lots of folks forget that the Democrats were as gung ho as the warmongering republicans to oust saddam. John kerry, who voted FOR war, actually tried to win the presidency by stating that he "was against the war before I was for it" . There is no way to prove the rumor that George Orwell sprang a giant hard-on in his coffin upon hearing that wonderful load of double-speak.

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Aceofspades wrote:
Virtually every Democrat voted to go to war with Iraq based on the exact same intelligence that the cia gave to the hated Bush, yet it...
Virtually every Democrat voted to go to war with Iraq based on the exact same intelligence that the cia gave to the hated Bush, yet it is he alone that "lied us into war" lol. Lots of folks forget that the Democrats were as gung ho as the warmongering republicans to oust saddam. John kerry, who voted FOR war, actually tried to win the presidency by stating that he "was against the war before I was for it" . There is no way to prove the rumor that George Orwell sprang a giant hard-on in his coffin upon hearing that wonderful load of double-speak.
I don't disagree with anything you stated. That being said, do you think invading Iraq, with all that has happened since, was a good idea?
The bottom line is that Bush set our military into full invasion mode. The kind of decision reserved for the most crucial and dire of circumstances. And it was based on bad, if not manipulated, intel. My guess is that Bush was brow beaten into it by Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. He didn't have the moxy to push back like his dad did when being shoved in the same direction.
So, I don't believe Bush lied us into war but I do believe he blundered us into war. To me it's just as bad, maybe worse.

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borg wrote:
I don't disagree with anything you stated. That being said, do you think invading Iraq, with all that has happened since, was a good idea? The...
I don't disagree with anything you stated. That being said, do you think invading Iraq, with all that has happened since, was a good idea?
The bottom line is that Bush set our military into full invasion mode. The kind of decision reserved for the most crucial and dire of circumstances. And it was based on bad, if not manipulated, intel. My guess is that Bush was brow beaten into it by Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. He didn't have the moxy to push back like his dad did when being shoved in the same direction.
So, I don't believe Bush lied us into war but I do believe he blundered us into war. To me it's just as bad, maybe worse.

Pretty spot on summary.
Aceofspades 7/12/2014 7:32am
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I believe that the cia did the "blundering". It would be entirely too risky politically for a president to "request" that the cia come to a conclusion favorable to him (the president) politically. Especially when he can count on ZERO help from the media if he were to be discovered trying to weigh the outcome of a cia report in his favor. If a president DOES have a media willing to lie for him or cover his malfeasence, he could conceivably get away with anything, such as directing the IRS to harass organizations and private citizens whom he deems enemies. Thank god we have a watchdog media who would never be party to that kind of impeachable crime.
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I believe that the cia did the "blundering". It would be entirely too risky politically for a president to "request" that the cia come to a...
I believe that the cia did the "blundering". It would be entirely too risky politically for a president to "request" that the cia come to a conclusion favorable to him (the president) politically. Especially when he can count on ZERO help from the media if he were to be discovered trying to weigh the outcome of a cia report in his favor. If a president DOES have a media willing to lie for him or cover his malfeasence, he could conceivably get away with anything, such as directing the IRS to harass organizations and private citizens whom he deems enemies. Thank god we have a watchdog media who would never be party to that kind of impeachable crime.
The CIA supplied information. The 3 amigos conjured up the conclusions. Some say dishonestly. I don't know. I's my opinion that it wasn't Bush that insisted on the conclusions. But ultimately, it's the President's call. The decision to invade another sovereign nation is a huge call. The biggest any nation's leader can make. It's not like he was backed into a corner either. Their was no urgency to invade except in the minds of the 3 amigos. I'm not letting Rice or Powell off the hook either. None of them, including Bush has admitted that it was a mistake. They cant. I am willing to bet that many of them privately would like a rewind though.
StephanieMitchell789 7/13/2014 11:57am
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The decision to invade another sovereign nation is a huge call.

Bush Sr is at fault. Someone please challenge me on this assertion.


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Everybody knew there were WMD's. Saddam used them on his people. It is not debatable.
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Everybody knew there were WMD's. Saddam used them on his people. It is not debatable.
That's true but we found nowhere near anything like they said we would. And you can bet your ass they were looking hard. They either cooked the books intentionally or they just fucked up. Whether or not we should have gone to war is debatable.
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Here is what I always found odd about that situation. If Saddam had nothing he could have let the inspectors back in and made America look like a bully, which I think he would have enjoyed. Maybe he was just too pissed off.
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wildbill 7/14/2014 12:44am
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You folks are being played mightily.

Quit believing 'headline' news. It's only bullshit info to further brainwash a supposedly free country.
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How long has the US military been in Iraq, and we never found this stockpile? ISIS has been there for a fucking month and they somehow find them. Smells like BS to me. Invading Iraq was a huge fuck-up. Period.
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Racer92 7/14/2014 5:38am
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borg wrote:
That's true but we found nowhere near anything like they said we would. And you can bet your ass they were looking hard. They either cooked...
That's true but we found nowhere near anything like they said we would. And you can bet your ass they were looking hard. They either cooked the books intentionally or they just fucked up. Whether or not we should have gone to war is debatable.
Saddam had that crap all trucked out the first word they were gonna come looking. Its not like there wasnt a huge UN entourage preceding those inspectors and it was 'surprise' inspections. That crap all went into Syria by the truckload. I mean, when Saddam saw that Dubya was indeed going to invade Iraq, Saddam had 18-wheeler loads of cash/currency being trucked out of Baghdad that was intercepted by USA Forces. Completely tractor-trailer loads of palletized cash ! If you can mobilize transportation out of a metropolitan setting in that short of notice, it wouldve been simple to load whatever WMD paraphernalia they had hidden in remote caves and underground storage facilities into trucks and haul that stuff away. That country is big as Texas, most of which is desolate, barren, sandy no-mans land. You could hide shit out there that would never be found again.

I do agree (in hindsight) we shouldnt have gone in there like we did though.
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Sunhouse 7/14/2014 7:17am
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borg wrote:
That's true but we found nowhere near anything like they said we would. And you can bet your ass they were looking hard. They either cooked...
That's true but we found nowhere near anything like they said we would. And you can bet your ass they were looking hard. They either cooked the books intentionally or they just fucked up. Whether or not we should have gone to war is debatable.
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Saddam had that crap all trucked out the first word they were gonna come looking. Its not like there wasnt a huge UN entourage preceding those...
Saddam had that crap all trucked out the first word they were gonna come looking. Its not like there wasnt a huge UN entourage preceding those inspectors and it was 'surprise' inspections. That crap all went into Syria by the truckload. I mean, when Saddam saw that Dubya was indeed going to invade Iraq, Saddam had 18-wheeler loads of cash/currency being trucked out of Baghdad that was intercepted by USA Forces. Completely tractor-trailer loads of palletized cash ! If you can mobilize transportation out of a metropolitan setting in that short of notice, it wouldve been simple to load whatever WMD paraphernalia they had hidden in remote caves and underground storage facilities into trucks and haul that stuff away. That country is big as Texas, most of which is desolate, barren, sandy no-mans land. You could hide shit out there that would never be found again.

I do agree (in hindsight) we shouldnt have gone in there like we did though.
Seems to me Bush should have hired you. The intel you get in Central Texas must be better than all of NATO combined!
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borg wrote:
That's true but we found nowhere near anything like they said we would. And you can bet your ass they were looking hard. They either cooked...
That's true but we found nowhere near anything like they said we would. And you can bet your ass they were looking hard. They either cooked the books intentionally or they just fucked up. Whether or not we should have gone to war is debatable.
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Saddam had that crap all trucked out the first word they were gonna come looking. Its not like there wasnt a huge UN entourage preceding those...
Saddam had that crap all trucked out the first word they were gonna come looking. Its not like there wasnt a huge UN entourage preceding those inspectors and it was 'surprise' inspections. That crap all went into Syria by the truckload. I mean, when Saddam saw that Dubya was indeed going to invade Iraq, Saddam had 18-wheeler loads of cash/currency being trucked out of Baghdad that was intercepted by USA Forces. Completely tractor-trailer loads of palletized cash ! If you can mobilize transportation out of a metropolitan setting in that short of notice, it wouldve been simple to load whatever WMD paraphernalia they had hidden in remote caves and underground storage facilities into trucks and haul that stuff away. That country is big as Texas, most of which is desolate, barren, sandy no-mans land. You could hide shit out there that would never be found again.

I do agree (in hindsight) we shouldnt have gone in there like we did though.
Hindsight is the key word. I was on board for the war at the time.

The theory that WMD was shipped into Syria was widely discussed but never really confirmed.

BTW, my current source for much of this information is Wikipedia. I have more confidence in them than I do most other sources but it doesn't mean it's infallible.

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Racer92 7/14/2014 8:30am
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Seems to me Bush should have hired you. The intel you get in Central Texas must be better than all of NATO combined!
Oh puh-leese, that entire UN thing was a caravan of morons. You believe a single thing UN says or reports? Those inept clowns at NATO were supplying the Taliban with weapons and food for crying out loud ! And dont forget the Iraqi 'Oil-for-Food' sham.



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Sunhouse 7/14/2014 9:45am
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Sunhouse wrote:
Seems to me Bush should have hired you. The intel you get in Central Texas must be better than all of NATO combined!
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Oh puh-leese, that entire UN thing was a caravan of morons. You believe a single thing UN says or reports? Those inept clowns at NATO were...
Oh puh-leese, that entire UN thing was a caravan of morons. You believe a single thing UN says or reports? Those inept clowns at NATO were supplying the Taliban with weapons and food for crying out loud ! And dont forget the Iraqi 'Oil-for-Food' sham.



So you´re saying you had and have better intel?
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borg wrote:
I don't disagree with anything you stated. That being said, do you think invading Iraq, with all that has happened since, was a good idea? The...
I don't disagree with anything you stated. That being said, do you think invading Iraq, with all that has happened since, was a good idea?
The bottom line is that Bush set our military into full invasion mode. The kind of decision reserved for the most crucial and dire of circumstances. And it was based on bad, if not manipulated, intel. My guess is that Bush was brow beaten into it by Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. He didn't have the moxy to push back like his dad did when being shoved in the same direction.
So, I don't believe Bush lied us into war but I do believe he blundered us into war. To me it's just as bad, maybe worse.

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Pretty spot on summary.
Yup, I agree 100%. I try telling my dad (who is a borderline armchair conservative extremist) that Iraq was a mistake and he immediately goes into full Bush-defense mode, but it's not just GW, it was a majority of the country. It was just a clusterfuck of manipulation and bad decision, like you said. But the bottom line remains the same, that Iraq was a pretty serious mistake and cost the lives of far too many.
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Racer92 7/14/2014 11:32am
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Sunhouse wrote:
So you´re saying you had and have better intel?
Im saying the UN is a corrupt and inept gaggle of nit-wits who I do not trust nor believe a syllable of what they say.

You can believe what you want, Im only stating my viewpoint.
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Sunhouse 7/14/2014 11:42am
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Sunhouse wrote:
So you´re saying you had and have better intel?
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Im saying the UN is a corrupt and inept gaggle of nit-wits who I do not trust nor believe a syllable of what they say. You...
Im saying the UN is a corrupt and inept gaggle of nit-wits who I do not trust nor believe a syllable of what they say.

You can believe what you want, Im only stating my viewpoint.
NATO didn´t go to war, Bush and his "coalition of the willing" did. NATO and the rest of the world was right, and Bush and his compadres knew they were, but pushed their lie anyway
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Racer92 7/14/2014 1:02pm
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Sunhouse wrote:
NATO didn´t go to war, Bush and his "coalition of the willing" did. NATO and the rest of the world was right, and Bush and his...
NATO didn´t go to war, Bush and his "coalition of the willing" did. NATO and the rest of the world was right, and Bush and his compadres knew they were, but pushed their lie anyway
Compadres? You mean these folks ?



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NATO didn´t go to war, Bush and his "coalition of the willing" did. NATO and the rest of the world was right, and Bush and his...
NATO didn´t go to war, Bush and his "coalition of the willing" did. NATO and the rest of the world was right, and Bush and his compadres knew they were, but pushed their lie anyway
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Compadres? You mean these folks ? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/07/14/59409/s1200_Votes.jpg[/img]
Compadres? You mean these folks ?



No, I mean Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the scheme artists
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No, I mean Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the scheme artists
So those 374 elected officials have no responsibility? Its all that mean ole Dubya?

Mm-kay
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Sunhouse 7/14/2014 2:24pm
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No, I mean Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the scheme artists
Racer92 wrote:
So those 374 elected officials have no responsibility? Its all that mean ole Dubya?

Mm-kay
They built the lie from scratch and sold it together with a good portion of patriotism and a waging war on terror. So yes, the votes were given based on that lie. The senate bought it, the Congress bought it, and the people bought it.

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The only WMD that Saddam had at the time, was the fact that he was selling Iraq's oil in Euros instead of US dollars. It was and still is a huge threat to the US economy to sell oil in any other currency other than US Dollars.
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the_wood109 7/14/2014 5:23pm
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wildbill wrote:
You folks are being played mightily.

Quit believing 'headline' news. It's only bullshit info to further brainwash a supposedly free country.
Exactly, it appears to me that yahoo left out quite a bit a relevant information on this one.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-seizes-chemical-weapons-depo…

But U.S. officials have played down the seizure, saying the degraded chemical remnants date to the 1980s and were stored at the facility after being dismantled by UN inspectors.

Sounds like this site was pretty well known.

“Whatever material was kept there is pretty old and not likely to be able to be accessed or used against anyone right now,” U.S. Defense Department spokesman Rear Adm. John Kirby said.

Anything to get clicks these days.

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