So if a church catches on fire....

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...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and manpower. Churches don't pay taxes.

Discuss.
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09450f 7/19/2009 11:30am
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yes..most all the people in the church do pay taxes..and the police and fire dept. are here to protect and serve,what ever building they are in..

end of discussion,sorry
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wreckitrandy 7/19/2009 11:44am
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I never made a penny off of Madoff but my tax dollars keep him dry, warm and fed. Would you rather this hypothetical church burn to the ground? Anyway, there are a half dozen firemen and first responders at our church most Sundays. The radios go off all the time during worship. What if it were the home of a family of illegal aliens? Keep discussing.
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brainbasket 7/19/2009 11:56am
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If churches were taxed so they could receive fire protection - Then churches could write off all volunteer and charity work performed, bringing their effective tax rate to zero in almost every case.

Then in order to receive representation for the taxes levied - churches could then openly campaign for, endorse, and contribute to the political campaigns of politicians that share their views.

Stale bait in this thread .....
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mx757 7/19/2009 12:15pm
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If a church caught on fire wouldnt it be "gods will" and shouldnt the sheeple want no outside assistance?

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Rooster 7/19/2009 12:15pm
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Then in order to receive representation for the taxes levied - churches could then openly campaign for, endorse, and contribute to the political campaigns of politicians that share their views.

Other than the contributions, which they influence from the pulpit anyhow, how does this change what they do already.
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MX479Guy 7/19/2009 12:19pm
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I've never seen a poor church.

They are always asking for money, and those involved driving nice cars
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ProMed 7/19/2009 12:39pm
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MX479Guy wrote:
I've never seen a poor church.

They are always asking for money, and those involved driving nice cars
I've seen a ton of poor churches. It is not that uncommon for a church to close its doors.
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ProMed 7/19/2009 12:41pm
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Spinner wrote:
...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and...
...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and manpower. Churches don't pay taxes.

Discuss.
Should the fire department put out a fire burning a homeless man's tent? The NAACP is tax-exempt, what about them?

Discuss.
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brainbasket 7/19/2009 12:51pm
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Rooster wrote:
[i][b]Then in order to receive representation for the taxes levied - churches could then openly campaign for, endorse, and contribute to the political campaigns of politicians...
Then in order to receive representation for the taxes levied - churches could then openly campaign for, endorse, and contribute to the political campaigns of politicians that share their views.

Other than the contributions, which they influence from the pulpit anyhow, how does this change what they do already.
There's a difference between church members speaking to each other about politics and a church making all of it's resources - people and contributions - legally available to a politician. A politician could accept direct cash donations from churches and churches could organize volunteers to canvas neighborhoods on behalf of a politician.

If churches were taxed there would be no restrictions on the organization and fundraising activities that could take place under the management of church leadership.

Some believe when people join a church they should forfeit their right to free speech because they don't like what churches stand for, but they don't think about the unintended consequences of trying to strip church members of their rights.
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Farva 7/19/2009 12:53pm
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Spinner wrote:
...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and...
...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and manpower. Churches don't pay taxes.

Discuss.
As long as they play even across the board and let the NAACP and such burn down as well.
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KAWboy14 7/19/2009 1:42pm
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if you are talking about america....everyone pays taxes....the question is, who pays taxes for the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th time!
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mx757 wrote:
If a church caught on fire wouldnt it be "gods will" and shouldnt the sheeple want no outside assistance?
Bingo. Don't mess with god, he does what he wants. Just let him finish the job.
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72kiteboarder 7/19/2009 5:20pm
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Who is the fire department to go messing around with Gods Mysterious Ways Plan?
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I'm still trying to figure out why the religious are so afraid of dying, and why they get so upset when their loved ones die. They should be happy...they're all going to live in paradise for eternity, while the rest of us turn into fertilizer.
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Spinner wrote:
...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and...
...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and manpower. Churches don't pay taxes.

Discuss.
ProMed wrote:
Should the fire department put out a fire burning a homeless man's tent? The NAACP is tax-exempt, what about them?

Discuss.
lol.. End of discussion
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jonjon714 7/19/2009 5:37pm
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Spinner wrote:
...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and...
...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and manpower. Churches don't pay taxes.

Discuss.
Your ex old lady leave you for a preacher or what?

Discuss.
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Nerd 7/19/2009 5:39pm
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The whole point of social services like police and fire is to protect EVERYONE. Who pays or doesn't isn't the issue.
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Spinner 7/19/2009 7:21pm
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Nerd wrote:
The whole point of social services like police and fire is to protect EVERYONE. Who pays or doesn't isn't the issue.
So churches are freeloaders.
Got it.

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KTM boy 137 7/19/2009 7:25pm
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MX479Guy wrote:
I've never seen a poor church.

They are always asking for money, and those involved driving nice cars
As others have already said, I too have seen poor churches.
Having grown up going to a catholic school until high school (where I entered in 2 grades higher than the public school kids); I've seen plenty of those 'involved' in those churches driving vehicles that are modest (many times older model) cars from point A to B.

I'm sure there are others who have 'rich' churches and drive 'nice' cars, but... I certainly doubt it's the majority.
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`ol Ger 7/19/2009 7:49pm
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Chuck ol buddy,

you have an overdeveloped sense of hatred for believers and

It's becoming more evident.


regards,

g
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ProMed 7/19/2009 7:54pm
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Spinner wrote:
So churches are freeloaders.
Got it.
I don't care one way or the other. But every week it seems you have a thread bashing something to do with the christian group. Why do you even care? Did a priest tap that ass?
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kdx man 7/19/2009 8:04pm
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`ol Ger wrote:
Chuck ol buddy,

you have an overdeveloped sense of hatred for believers and

It's becoming more evident.


regards,

g
You have a hatred for those that dont believe and you've always shown it.

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Spinner wrote:
...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and...
...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and manpower. Churches don't pay taxes.

Discuss.
sure...why not? it probably doesn't need it with gods protection and all....
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Nerd 7/19/2009 9:33pm
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Nerd wrote:
The whole point of social services like police and fire is to protect EVERYONE. Who pays or doesn't isn't the issue.
Spinner wrote:
So churches are freeloaders.
Got it.
Churches are constitutionally protected from the government, and vice versa - thus the "wall of separation". In situations (although rare) where churches cross that line and it's proven, they lose their tax-exempt status.

I'm pretty sure there was one in South Carolina during the 2004 election that lost its status.

And secondary to that, poor people also don't pay for fire departments. Neither do other tax-exempt organizations.
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Farva 7/19/2009 9:41pm
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Nerd wrote:
Churches are constitutionally protected from the government, and vice versa - thus the "wall of separation". In situations (although rare) where churches cross that line and...
Churches are constitutionally protected from the government, and vice versa - thus the "wall of separation". In situations (although rare) where churches cross that line and it's proven, they lose their tax-exempt status.

I'm pretty sure there was one in South Carolina during the 2004 election that lost its status.

And secondary to that, poor people also don't pay for fire departments. Neither do other tax-exempt organizations.
They also don't sit and think if they do let the church burn down you risk the chance of the fire spreading to all kinds of other things, such as houses.
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So...using Spinners "logic"...only the wealthy should get to use the new "healthcare system". The wealthy should get to drive on better roads, get better police and fire protection, and should not have to wait in line at the post office.

After all, they pay more in taxes, so it's ok.
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KAWboy14 7/20/2009 7:21am
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Nerd wrote:
The whole point of social services like police and fire is to protect EVERYONE. Who pays or doesn't isn't the issue.
everyone in america pays taxes!
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SEEMEFIRST 7/20/2009 7:36am
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If spinner were on fire, would anyone whip out and piss on him to put him out?

Didn't think so.

No need to discuss further.
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Nerd 7/20/2009 8:06am
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Nerd wrote:
The whole point of social services like police and fire is to protect EVERYONE. Who pays or doesn't isn't the issue.
KAWboy14 wrote:
everyone in america pays taxes!
In some way, but different taxes go to different things. Not everyone pays income taxes or property taxes, for example.
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Tiki 7/20/2009 9:07am
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Spinner wrote:
...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and...
...should the fire department be responsible for putting it out? Taxes (local and state as well as federal grant moneys) fund fire departments' trucks, equipment, and manpower. Churches don't pay taxes.

Discuss.
Fire Departments task is to assist in preventive measures if a fire breaks out with in the departments district or area. This includes meth labs, brothels and yes churches. All whom do not pay taxes. Responsibility is held to the property owner or whom caused the fire.

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