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2/17/2019 4:23pm
2/17/2019 4:23pm
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If he did lie to obtain this warrant, that is....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/officer-apparently-lied-in-seeking…
Officer apparently lied in seeking warrant before deadly raid, chief says
Phil Helsel and Tom Winter 11 hrs ago
Houston's police chief said Friday that there appear to be "some material untruths or lies" in an affidavit used to get a warrant for a drug raid that left four officers shot and two people in the home dead.
Police Chief Art Acevedo emphasized that police "had reason to investigate that location" on Harding Street, a raid that ended in a shootout that killed the two occupants, Dennis Tuttle, 59, and Rhogena Nicholas, 58.
"Thus far it appears that there are some material untruths or lies in that affidavit — and that's a problem," Acevedo said. "That's totally unacceptable."
"More than likely, the investigating officer will be charged with a serious crime at some point," the chief said.
He added that there will be a review of past investigations, as well as a broader look at the department’s narcotics unit street level units.
Earlier Friday, NBC affiliate KPRC of Houston obtained police documents that say narcotics Officer Gerald Goines justified the warrant request by claiming that he sent a confidential informant to make a narcotics buy at the home, and that the informant returned with what the informant said was heroin and said there was a weapon at the residence.
But in the police documents, an investigator said they were unable to find that informant, and that all the informants listed as working with Goines denied making a drug buy for him at that home or ever buying from Tuttle or Nicholas. Acevedo acknowledged those documents Friday, but did not name the officer.
The police department has said that when officers were serving the felony warrant at the home at around 5 p.m. on Jan. 28, they were met with gunfire and several officers returned fire, killing Tuttle and Nicholas.
Police have said that a small amount of marijuana and white powder believed to be cocaine or fentanyl as well as three shotguns and two rifles were recovered after the raid on the home. Goines was one of the four officers wounded in the shooting, according to police documents.
"We're going to get to the truth," Acevedo said. He said the police department is conducting “an impartial investigation into everything that occurred leading up to and during that raid."
Acevedo did not name what he called the "target officer" in the investigation into the shooting, but past cases will be investigated as well.
Acevedo said that one officer has previously been relieved of duty, and the person he referred to as the investigating officer is still hospitalized and will also be relieved. A message with the police union about whether Goines has legal representation was not immediately returned Friday night.
Acevedo said there was a 911 call earlier in January from a woman who said her daughter was doing heroin in the home that was raided. "This was not just an investigator deciding to go target a house, as far as we've determined so far, for no reason," he said.
If information was determined to have been falsified for the warrant it would be a crime, Acevedo said. But the details of exactly what occurred are still under investigation, he said. He said that search warrants have been obtained for cellphones.
"No matter what we end up with here, right, we know we have a criminal violation already — and a serious criminal violation by the individual that prepared that affidavit on the initial search warrant at the Harding Street location," Acevedo said.
The Houston Police Officers’ Union said in a statement to KPRC that the facts detailed by Acevedo on Friday were "extremely concerning."
"Such actions, if true, would be extremely disturbing and would not be a reflection of the many men and women of HPD who do an incredible job every day, including those who have worked tirelessly since the shooting ensuring that no stone goes unturned," the union said.
Acevedo pledged a thorough and impartial investigation.
"I"m telling you, there's a lot of pissed off cops right now," the police chief said. "There are a lot of angry cops. Because when you violate that oath of office, you make it hard for 98, 99 percent of these cops that go out there every day."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/officer-apparently-lied-in-seeking…
Officer apparently lied in seeking warrant before deadly raid, chief says
Phil Helsel and Tom Winter 11 hrs ago
Houston's police chief said Friday that there appear to be "some material untruths or lies" in an affidavit used to get a warrant for a drug raid that left four officers shot and two people in the home dead.
Police Chief Art Acevedo emphasized that police "had reason to investigate that location" on Harding Street, a raid that ended in a shootout that killed the two occupants, Dennis Tuttle, 59, and Rhogena Nicholas, 58.
"Thus far it appears that there are some material untruths or lies in that affidavit — and that's a problem," Acevedo said. "That's totally unacceptable."
"More than likely, the investigating officer will be charged with a serious crime at some point," the chief said.
He added that there will be a review of past investigations, as well as a broader look at the department’s narcotics unit street level units.
Earlier Friday, NBC affiliate KPRC of Houston obtained police documents that say narcotics Officer Gerald Goines justified the warrant request by claiming that he sent a confidential informant to make a narcotics buy at the home, and that the informant returned with what the informant said was heroin and said there was a weapon at the residence.
But in the police documents, an investigator said they were unable to find that informant, and that all the informants listed as working with Goines denied making a drug buy for him at that home or ever buying from Tuttle or Nicholas. Acevedo acknowledged those documents Friday, but did not name the officer.
The police department has said that when officers were serving the felony warrant at the home at around 5 p.m. on Jan. 28, they were met with gunfire and several officers returned fire, killing Tuttle and Nicholas.
Police have said that a small amount of marijuana and white powder believed to be cocaine or fentanyl as well as three shotguns and two rifles were recovered after the raid on the home. Goines was one of the four officers wounded in the shooting, according to police documents.
"We're going to get to the truth," Acevedo said. He said the police department is conducting “an impartial investigation into everything that occurred leading up to and during that raid."
Acevedo did not name what he called the "target officer" in the investigation into the shooting, but past cases will be investigated as well.
Acevedo said that one officer has previously been relieved of duty, and the person he referred to as the investigating officer is still hospitalized and will also be relieved. A message with the police union about whether Goines has legal representation was not immediately returned Friday night.
Acevedo said there was a 911 call earlier in January from a woman who said her daughter was doing heroin in the home that was raided. "This was not just an investigator deciding to go target a house, as far as we've determined so far, for no reason," he said.
If information was determined to have been falsified for the warrant it would be a crime, Acevedo said. But the details of exactly what occurred are still under investigation, he said. He said that search warrants have been obtained for cellphones.
"No matter what we end up with here, right, we know we have a criminal violation already — and a serious criminal violation by the individual that prepared that affidavit on the initial search warrant at the Harding Street location," Acevedo said.
The Houston Police Officers’ Union said in a statement to KPRC that the facts detailed by Acevedo on Friday were "extremely concerning."
"Such actions, if true, would be extremely disturbing and would not be a reflection of the many men and women of HPD who do an incredible job every day, including those who have worked tirelessly since the shooting ensuring that no stone goes unturned," the union said.
Acevedo pledged a thorough and impartial investigation.
"I"m telling you, there's a lot of pissed off cops right now," the police chief said. "There are a lot of angry cops. Because when you violate that oath of office, you make it hard for 98, 99 percent of these cops that go out there every day."
Not saying the cop doesn't bear some responsibility, but is the one act to blame for everything that followed?
Just posing a question.
Where's that outrage?
The Shop
Now, how about this disgusting piece of work? Gotta love where it all starts and where it all ends up. You just can't take any of these claims serious anymore. Same story over and over and when the truth comes out...crickets. Always a hate crime all the way up until it isn't. Just like those mean notes people always leave on their restaurant receipts which of course have their c/c number and name on them. Always fake. I would love to see some of these dolts get thrown under the jail.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/jussie-smollett-attack-as-mystery…
By the way, what happened to the Chief White Lie thread?
All that is found, is typical of what they might find in anyone's house. No Heroin ! Couple has been described by neighbors, as a nice couple who had been married and lived in the home for around 20 yrs. Now they are dead !
This is a messed-up deal all the way around.
The police reports weren’t anytning like what really happened. Scared my buddies mom to death. Had her on the ground with a shotgun to her. Broke their door in. Middle of the night.
Oops wrong house. No domestic violence or drugs. Seriously ? That coulda ended up same way with everyone dead.
I support police through and through but even they make mistakes! Shouldn’t be taken lightly when they do. And if police reports are fudged they all need to go down.
Not excusing the officer at all, but I doubt murder charges can be brought in this case. Then again, I'm not a lawyer.
If the falsification aspects are true, punishment needs to be swift and significant. But I’ll wait until the facts are in. Confidential informants are mostly criminals trying to work off charges and shady as hell, so it may also be that none of them want to be “the guy” now that this thing blew up with multiple wounded officers and two dead homeowners.
Government officials should be held to higher standard, and the penalties should reflect it.
And when the inevitable civil suit pays out, it should come at the expense of the departments pensions & benefits. That’s the only way this shit is gonna stop.
Humans just cant handle this sort of power we give our police. It’s a recipe for disaster.
I do agree on the higher standard.
Pit Row
The search warrant was for automatic weapons. How or why the guy who's house we were at got targeted for something like this was never known or revealed, but he was anything but a criminal and had never even fired a gun, let alone owned automatic weapons. After searching the farm and finding a small hobby still in one of the outbuildings, it was agreed that there would be no mention of the still, if nothing was mentioned about the raid.
It was all very polite and very Canadian as I remember. Everybody walked away shaking their heads wondering what the fuss was all about.
Sure, that’s worse than the cops being “trigger happy” right?
Your response is exactly why their civil suit payouts should come out of the pension. It’s the only thing that’ll make them accountable to each other for their actions.
https://www.redding.com/story/news/2019/01/02/k-9-shooting-suspect-also…
I could personally never do a job that required me to surrender my own moral judgment for someone else’s rules. And I’m not alone. Here’s a couple examples. Learn something or get offended. The choice is yours.
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