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One of the guys that works for me got a $250 ticket today for turning right on a red light. There’s a sign that clearly says no right turn on red between 7 AM and 9 AM Monday through Friday. Then underneath that sign is another sign that says “School Days”. So here’s the catch, there was no school today. Here’s a picture of the sign, what do think ? Think he has a chance to beat it because today wasn’t a school day ? He has documented proof that there was no school today. What would you do ? 
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If not during those hours and no school, fight the shit out of that one.
Was it officer issued or was it from a camera?
Fight it. If nothing else, the judge may reduce the ticket.
The Shop
I said of course you didn't that's his job, go out and generate revenue, it's all they do. They don't help people, they don't chase bad guys ,they don't come to your house or aid if you're in trouble, all they do is generate revenue. Of course you didn't see him that's his job.
If he fights it I won't be surprised if the "School Days" sign disappears
Even our local LEOs don’t really understand it.
If he's not a habitual offender, I bet he gets off.
That's how they roll around here anyway.
It won't cost him time off work to fight it, he's piece price and he can do his pools before and after his court date, the guys do it all the time. I do think his first move should be agn5008's suggestion. He also said he's only had one ticket in his whole life and it was years ago, so hopefully a visit to the local sheriff station will handle it. I think if he does have to pay it then they should take the "School Days" sign down. because if that happens obviously that sign doesn't mean shit.
Why is the second sign even there then, in your case?
Pit Row
I just thin’ that regardless that it has the school days sign, the first portion says no turn between certain hours on certain days. It’s like the school days sign was an after thought. Now I may be way off based and wrong, but he asked for input.
As to fighting it in court, I can’t speak to other parts of the country, but in my neck of the woods overtime flows freely for LE to go to court. And don’t quote me, but I thought if you fight it and loose, you could be on the hook for additional “court cost”, at least 8n California.
Good luck and keep us updated on how it goes.
The school days thing should get him off the hook. I drive past a school everyday on my way to work and the lights on the 20 mph sign are only illuminated on days school is actually in session (off on holidays).
In other words,
"You may not breathe."
"Except on weekends;"
"Or if you are from out of state;"
"Or it is between the hours of 10AM-7PM;"
"Or if your life depends on it."
The first several stipulations are successively less stringent. However, the final stipulation renders the entire regulation null and void. In the case of Sumdood's employee, the "school days" stipulation definitely applies. The question here is whether or not the vague wording of the sign can be construed to mean ALL M-F, or just dates when school is actually in session.
This is what happens when you have to many hands in the damn cookie jar.
I’m glad I don’t do traffic anymore. It’s absolutely awful.
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