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Then how do you explain this?
The pyramids pale in comparison to what humans are capable of building today. And our buildings are far more precise and the internal workings are far more complex.
Are we supposed to believe we had "outside" help in building current buildings today?
There is no doubt the Pyramids are certainly a wonder of the world. However, I propose the great structures that we are building today are also marvelous, complex, and precise. And I'm certain we did not have any "outside" help. Certainly no evidence that "outsiders" built any of the buildings below.
To the Great Pyramid they built 4000 years ago.
That's like comparing something Fred Flintstone drove to the latest Lamborghini.
Yes I agree with you there's some amazing structures being built today that are taller and more complex than the Great Pyramid but with what is available today to make things is a hell of a lot easier then what they had available to them 4000 years ago that's the part I don't understand.
So my question to you----- Then how do you explain that ??
Possible answers- 1.) All subsequent "powers that be" decided that the Great Pyramid was plenty good enough? NAH
2.) Not one Ruler/King in the past 4500 years wanted to out-do that dirty dog that had the big one built for himself ?? Not likely
3.) All the civilizations since were void of "hard workers"? seriously?
4.) The quarries were all emptied out and/or the workers lost all their tools ?
This is actually a serious question, why DID it take so long for Humanity to build something more grand than the Great Pyramid ????
My answer is, I DON"T KNOW. But if you put a gun to my head, I'd say its because we couldn't .
The Shop
What you are saying is humans were too stupid/lacked any "know how" back then to build a fred flintstone car without help, but now magically we can build Lambo's all on our own.
They invented/discovered math, but clearly too ignorant on how to move and stack heavy blocks.
How does that make any sense?
It's called progress. Progress on many levels. Progress of science, materials, building methods etc etc.
They had enough know-how/perseverance/slave workers/stonemen/etc back then to stack blocks together. Yeah they were super heavy blocks. Yes it's a big structure. Yes they were stacked neatly.
They invented many useful ways to build their structure. Just like today's builders are often inventing new methods, material, and techniques that help us build today's colossal structures.
Basically I said maybe there was a superior race and the Ice Age wiped everything out and now here we are chasing Pokemon and arguing on a Motocross forum with people we don't know.
so yeah I'd say we have gone backwards...
Haha
There are many great structures that were built after the pyramids.
The Great Wall of China was 210BC.
The Colosseum in Rome was built around 70AD. It could hold upwards of 80,000 spectators.
Look at the Taj Mahal. Built around 1600 AD.
That building was built only 350 years ago. They improved on their building methods certainly as we can see. But they are far closer to techniques of 4500BC then they are close to current today's technologies, materials, methods.
We will never know how much stuff was destroyed by floods, fires, famines, diseases, war, etc. over the last 6,000 -7,000 years.
Some great structures remain. Certainly some great structures were destroyed. That much we know.
Back then, technology,tools,equipment was limited, but certainly not non-existent. And well, we see a structure they built with what they had. It's big. Complex for their knowledge/materials etc at the time.
It's estimated it took 20 years to build and used 100,000 slaves. Obviously that's just a guess but lets assume it's true.
Look at today's structures. Far bigger. Far more complex. Built using today's tools and knowledge. How many years does it take to build some of our modern structures and how many people? 3-5 years and maybe 10,000 people?
Wonder if the Egyptians had to put up with as much red tape as we do today!
Fun discussion though. We got a lot of mileage out of this thread.
And I am not saying they had outside help nor do I believe they did. It was most likely an advanced civilization that was wiped out as others have suggested, and what do you know we have discovered many ancient writings which date to shortly after the supposed dates of the pyramid construction which tell us this exact thing. Unfortunately most people view these writings today as just myth.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/great-pyramid-void-may-contain-112002178.html
They can build an entire football stadium that holds 90,000 people in three years or less.
But somehow to the opinion of some it would be a real struggle to stack and align heavy blocks.
Cause you know the great pyramid had HVAC systems, water systems, WiFi and tech infrastructure, concessions to accommodate thousands of people, bathrooms to accommodate thousands of people, shopping, pools, hot tubs, restaurants, detailed fire evacuation plans, detailed fire suppression systems, ticketing systems, parking infrastructure, all electronic systems including massive electrical infrastructure, on site data center, security cameras and full security infrastructure, locker rooms, MRI and CAT Scan rooms, and designing all of this to be as “green” as possible.
But yeah we can’t stack and align heavy blocks!!!
Makes total sense.
Pit Row
It was the Friday of the new year weekend and as I am walking out of the rental office they mention "by the way we are closing at three thirty today (normally five) due to the holiday.
If I don't get the trailer back it will be an extra three hundred because of the long weekend.
Of course I get to my shop at two and think I better hustle this thing off the trailer.
Tilt the trailer and notice that due to the slope of the driveway there isnt much down hill tilt,
Rigged up a come-along and discovered this thing is glued to the synthetic surface of the trailer like Velcro,
My cheap come-along breaks after moving the machine three inches.
Only four feet to go!
Somebody borrowed my six foot pry bar and all I had was a cheap 28" crow bar.
I walked that machine off the trailer 1/8" at a time for four feet then got some pipes under it and rolled it another three feet (By the way this is commonly referred to as Egyptian style) into the shop.
Made it back to the rental yard with two minutes to spare!
What a thrash!
Every one of my kids were taught about the pyramids and the likely use of ramps and levers on several occasions from public school through college.
In higher education I am sure they don't gloss over or ignore those tremendous structures as some here have implied.
Another thing about the advanced technology angle that doesn't add up for me is that the tooling marks on the stone are generally very crude.
I would imagine an advanced society or extraterrestrial with the ability to travel so far in space would leave a nicer surface on the stone.
Maybe some folks just aren't paying attention to what their kids are actually being taught..........?
Also concerning you're comment on the "crude" tooling ,marks, you are aware that the Pyramid was finished in Tura stone , a smooth white polished limestone casing stones ? They were removed in the 1300's AD to build other structures.
Again NOT stating that we had alien intervention,but that there are far too many unproven theories to conclusively state exactly how things went down. Its certainly not how we learned in school 40 years ago. There are new discoveries constantly (even as short as last fall) to "bet my life" on any textbook theory.
Moving the Stones of Baalbek
The ancient Egyptians High Priests had told Josephus that the " Sphinx has always been there."
No where in ANY inscription or cartouche or written record or hieroglyph ever found is there a claim to the sphinx. Yet, mainstream science has concluded it was approx. Khufu’s reign. Any amateur can plainly see that the sphinx is FAR more archaic than anything in the region so the “accepted paradigms” of our current mainstream archeologists are astoundingly assumptive and stubbornly close minded in their scope. Our actual history is remote and complicated and we have barely discovered anything. Gobekli Tepe should have taught us a valuable lesson and revealed our ignorance of all things ancient but apparently we are slipping back into our ego driven ideals. We must keep our minds open to all possibilities concerning our views of the evolution of civilization. Anthropology has admitted to a “missing link” albeit reluctantly. It’s high time that archeology admitted to theirs. Our past holds a huge “missing gap” of time and we simply are at a loss to explain it. Sumeria didn’t burst forth from the ether a fully formed civilization, something must have happened before. There are two basic choices: either there was a long period od development that has thus far escaped our shovels OR something or someone has interjected biologically. It’s really that simple. We burned Bruno at the stake for even suggesting alien life existed and we jailed Galileo for his brilliant ideas. Let’s use the scientific method to explore both sides and accept the consequences of what we find and discontinue the stubborn denials of each opposing theories or new ideas. It’s counterproductive at the very least and criminal to infect the minds of the young with counterfeit history. Columbus did NOT discover America, so why do we deceive our children? Sumeria was NOT the first civilization, so why are we lying to our college students? Evolution is a convenient theory contemporarily but it has huge gaps and MAJOR flaws, so why has it become the new religion? We have a tremendous amount of work to do to discover our true origins and the mystery is so tantalizing it hurts. So let’s keep an OPEN mind, explore ALL avenues and enjoy the ride. As long as we avoid the deceptions and suppressions of evidence by the “mainstream scientists” and the “accepted paradigms” then we can reveal the honest answers and stop being afraid of the truth. There were over 1200 newspaper articles around the world of remains of giant humans being found. Unless there was a worldwide conspiratorial hoax going on, then we should be studying this extremely important facet of human development. The Smithsonian institute was involved in over 90% of these recorded finds and they are obstinately silent. Gentlemen, what are we afraid of finding? Why are we hiding such things? It’s ridiculous and frankly, embarrassing. I don’t care if my forefathers were slimy, gelatinous cretins from some nameless galaxy on planet butthole and they have raped the entirety of the living universe using their evil telepathic brains. I just want to know the truth. Don’t you?
If a tree can live for 5000 years why can't some live for 10,000 or 20? If a coral reef can live for 4,000 years why none older than than? Maybe we should just quit being so dogmatic and go back and look at some of those writings again. You know the tangible evidence that came from the eyewitnesses closest to these events.
Can you give me some sources to read?
If true, How did the Roman column drum get placed under hundreds of tons of stone centuries after the original supposed construction?
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Mojave Yucca
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Rare Eucalyptus
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