Non salt water softeners...

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12/20/2010 2:37pm Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 4:40am
Anybody use any of the electric water softeners?

www.easywater.com


I'm considering this, as I hate salt water.


I'm a little reluctant though.



I go thru at least one hot water element every 4 months. Supposedly this will help.
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12/20/2010 2:43pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2010 2:50pm
You don't really have "salt water" with a salt water softener. The salt is just used to regenerate the beads which take out the Calcium and Magnesium/Iron ions from the hard water. The amount of salt that actually makes it to the tap should not be enough to taste and is less than what you would take in from your normal food. I have heard of that new system and it does sound interesting. I would like to not have to buy salt all the time.
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12/20/2010 2:45pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2010 2:45pm
Void Main wrote:
You don't really have "salt water" with a salt water softener. The salt is just used to regenerate the beads which take out the Calcium and...
You don't really have "salt water" with a salt water softener. The salt is just used to regenerate the beads which take out the Calcium and Magnesium/Iron ions from the hard water. The amount of salt that actually makes it to the tap should not be enough to taste and is less than what you would take in from your normal food. I have heard of that new system and it does sound interesting. I would like to not have to buy salt all the time.
Yes, BUT, the salt from the water softener greatly messes with my son's skin...





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I don't know if it works, but they are charging a shitload for what amounts to a frequency generator.
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I edited it twice actually. Smile So you are sure it's the salt that does it? If so then that other system would surely be the way to go.

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Void Main wrote:
I edited it twice actually. :) So you are sure it's the salt that does it? If so then that other system would surely be the...
I edited it twice actually. Smile So you are sure it's the salt that does it? If so then that other system would surely be the way to go.
No, I'm not sure it's the salt.
All I know is that before we had a water softener at our old house he didn't have problems. We installed one and he had problems. We built a new house and have well water and he doesn't have them. I am just tired of spending a couple hundred every few months for heater parts.... and my faucets look like SHIT!

I have a re-circulator on my water system, so I would need the $2,000 one!!
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Yeah, that calcium used to kick my ass (and my faucets and water heater's ass). The water softener takes care of that problem. I thought maybe rather than the increase in salt that caused the skin problem it might have been the reduction of the other things and how it effects the lathering of the soap, etc.
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I've been reading a lot of stuff about the easy water.... It is kind of concerning... lol Especially at $2,000.


If you google it, the first couple of pages are mostly from the company, "praising" it. But, if you dig deeper, you will find the negatives.
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We had a guy talk our church into installing those. Don't work.

Here's a clip from the forum at a plumbing website about them:

Softening is a chemical process. Period. When hardness, in the form of calcium and magnesium ions, is dissolved in water, it has a positive charge (+2). As water is passed through a softner resin bed, those ions attached themselves to the resin, releasing 2 sodium ions (+1, each). Now the soft water no longer has hardness ions to create hard deposits in your appliances and on surfaces in your home. The salt you hate to lug(and no one likes to do it) is used to make a strong brine solution to regenerate the resin. As the strong brine passes over the resin, it forces the calcium a magnesium off of the resin and replaces them with sodium again, ready to soften more water.

There is NO SUCH THING as electronic, magnetic or other voodoo softening. You cannot, by virtue of an electrical current or magnetic field, change the fundamental properties of a calcium ion to prevent it from causing scale, except for the exact location where the field is located. Once that water is heated up, in your hot water heater for instance, or the water is disturbed at all (running through your pipes will do it), you no longer have any effect at all from the magnetic field and you're right back where you started. Scaling.

I find it particularly interesting that the company you are looking at does not in any way actually explain their "technology" nor do they list any companies they work with. Their pictures are bogus and unverified and their assertions are ridiculous. They are counting on the fact that most people do not know enough about water chemistry to realize their assertions are fundamentally flawed.

My credentials: Chemical engineer with 10 years of water treatment experience. I have specified treatment for boilers and cooling water treatment for anything from small commercial units to huge industrial facilities. At all times before new treatment was allowed, the perspective water treatment companies had to prove their recommendations at the facility in question. Funny thing, but all of the no-salt "softener" folks refused a real-world test, every time, without exception. They all wanted me to purchase their systems without independent verification. Gee, I wonder why? You cannot soften water without removing the hardness.

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RE: Yes or No to EasyWater water softener by Freije

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* Posted by andy_c (awc222@yahoo.com) on
Tue, Jan 15, 08 at 11:05

EasyWater will not help you. The 2000 model goes for about $1100 and it just won't do a thing to improve your water to any noticable extent. We have seen too many people disappointed after being so reassured that this will make your water feel better, soaps last longer, water tastes better and so on.

Wrapping an electric wire around the pipe may have some effect on scale build up prevention. Anti-scaling devices are very important in industrial applications for boilers, tubines and highly sensitive equipment but of little value in residential situations.

None of these have any NSF or WQA cerifications. Their biggest sales pitch is "salt-free", "environmental friendly" and "No maintenance", which arte all true but nonetheless, useless.

Anyway, if you decide to buy, go ahead and do it and after six months, please rip your plumbing apart to see if you notice any improvement and let us know.

Andy Christensen, CWS-II

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RE: Yes or No to EasyWater water softener by Freije

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* Posted by aliceinwonderland_id (My Page) on
Tue, Jan 15, 08 at 12:06

"Wrapping an electric wire around the pipe may have some effect on scale build up prevention. Anti-scaling devices are very important in industrial applications for boilers, tubines and highly sensitive equipment but of little value in residential situations."

Andy -- Only, possibly, at the location of the wrap. Chemical treatment and deionization are very important for boilers, turbines and other industrial applications. Anti scale devices are even more useless in industry than in residential situations because millions of dollars of equipment and production time are on the line. There was a period of time in the 60's and 70's where many of these anti scale devices were installed in industrial systems. Systems were purchased by plant managers (business, not technical people) who bought into the hype generally against engineering advise. They didn't work. Back to chemical treatment.
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Shit, you got plenty'o'money, take a chance. Smile
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What's funny is in all of those places asking whether the thing is legit most everyone says it is snake oil with the exception of one poster who only has one post and it says the same thing in all of them. Smile

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/rural-living/120232-easywater-system…

I have been using the Easywater system for about 8 months now. I was concerned if this would work and more importantly what my wife would say.

I would like to say we noticed a difference right away, but we did not. It took about a week before we noticed several things. The first thing we began to notice was the scale in the dishwasher was being removed. The easywater people send a bottle of "Lemon Shine" with the unit and recommend that we use it with powder type soap. We did not use the Lemon Shine the first few days and we had spots and the wife was not happy. The sales rep at easywater told us to try the Lemon Shine and said we would like it. We did and we use it all the time now.

The second thing we noticed was the excess scale/spotting on the glass shower walls and door. My wife also felt like her hair was heavy and not as clean. The sales rep said there is scale being removed from the pipes and it may take some time for it to clear out. Again we gave it more time and by the forth week she was very happy with how her hair felt and skin. I too noticed a difference in my skin not being so dry.

The third thing we noticed was the showerhead and water was flowing out of all the holes. The showerhead was partially blocked from scale. We noticed around the 8th week that the shower head was clean and the water pressure has increased.


We have noticed other things over the past few months and we are happy with the unit. I will say that there are some downsides to everything and easywater does have a few. When we installed the unit we read that we would be able to cut back on soap usage by 1/2. Well this is only if you do not currently use a water softener. We had already cut back our soap usage by 1/2 because we used a softener. By doing that we were only using 1/4 of the soap and it did not clean well. You will also notice spots on and in your sink and counter tops. However, they are easy to wipe off and require little effort.


I hope this helps, I have purchased the easywater system now for most of my family and they all love it. I know it's not for everyone but it is worth looking into. I would recommend that if you like the feel of a softener you are probably better off with that instead.


Hmmmmm. Smile
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12/20/2010 3:37pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2010 3:52pm
did a little more research on this...save your money. It's a scam.

edit: late to the party...I agree with everyone else. Just another scam.
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It's interesting that they have a Better Business Bureau rating of A+:

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Business Name:
Freije Treatment Systems, Inc.
Business Address: 4202 Awning Court
Greenfield, IN 46140
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Original Business Start Date: 12/3/1986
Local Business Start Date: 12/23/1986
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The BBB contacted the business in December 2010 regarding BBB concerns with the business's advertising. Particularly the BBB was concerned with the implied claim that the EasyWater system can replace a traditional salt water softener system and obtain the same results without the use of salt.

The business promptly responded to the BBB and stated, "FREIJE Treatment Systems guarantees the EasyWater will prevent new scale from forming and remove any existing scale buildup. The EasyWater system is able to prevent and remove scale by physically changing the minerals in the water. In comparison, a traditional softener replaces the calcium and magnesium (known as 'hardness') with salt or potassium to slow the development of scale. The EasyWater No Salt Water Conditioner is clearly defined as an alternative solution for hard water problems without the negative environmental, health and maintenance issues of a traditional salt softener."

The EasyWater website and owner's manual cite the feel of the water, water spotting and iron staining as reasons customers may prefer to use a traditional softener or possibly an iron filter in conjunction with the EasyWater No Salt Water Conditioner.

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https://sterlingwatertreatment.com/

Find the one that suits your needs and pull the trigger. We install hundreds of their softners a year and they are top notch. Also, customer service is amazing - you will not be disappointed.

Also, hard water can eventually eat elements, but sounds like you have something else going on if they are going out so fast...….
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Yep. And I used the search feature to see if it had already been discussed instead of starting another thread in regards to the same subject/topic. That seems to piss off people around here too. I was just wondering if anyone out there in Vital Land had purchased a particular brand I'm thinking about buying.
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Most of the people in this section have Alzheimer's and wouldn't have remembered this thread.
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Looking to purchase one as well! Need as much info as I can get
6/13/2019 9:45pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2019 9:47pm
Ok so I am closing on a house in Phoenix next week. It was built in 04 but I already see signs of bad scaling and corrosion on faucets. After much research I have decided to piece together my own system.

First of all as mentioned above, everything I have read agrees salt free doesn’t work. I am going salt. If you research the softners there are only a few different heads and a few different tanks. Most companies rebrand these. Fleck 5600sxt appears to be a solid head and can be found for a reasonable price. The tanks seem to all come with a 5 year warranty. I am going to order this;

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000GC2LL8/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=AT…

This takes care of the scale. I still want to get some other contaminates such as chlorine and pesticides found in the city water out. After much research this pre-filter seems to do the job and is highly rated:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005A3WPA0/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=AT…

I plan to order these pieces, then hire a plumber to come in and solder it all in place. I have researched the crap out of this and it appears this should be as good as any whole house filtration out there for about a grand in parts.

I’m a rookie in this arena and wouldn’t mind any feedback on this plan one way or another.
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