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You said 1% of the population earned nearly 75% of the "new wealth" generated during the recent boom.

Can you please provide your source for that info?

I'm interested to know what that source considers "wealth". Is home equity wealth? Or is it only liquid assets? etc. And how they came to that conclusion.

Honest question, It would be nice if you could give me an answer.


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Farva 3/17/2009 8:44pm
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Titan wrote:
You said 1% of the population earned nearly 75% of the "new wealth" generated during the recent boom. Can you please provide your source for that...
You said 1% of the population earned nearly 75% of the "new wealth" generated during the recent boom.

Can you please provide your source for that info?

I'm interested to know what that source considers "wealth". Is home equity wealth? Or is it only liquid assets? etc. And how they came to that conclusion.

Honest question, It would be nice if you could give me an answer.


I was going to stay out of this because I figured sooner or later he would answer the question, but I'm sorry to inform you hes just pulling the number out of his ass.
Factory134 3/17/2009 11:48pm
3/17/2009 11:48pm
Titan wrote:
You said 1% of the population earned nearly 75% of the "new wealth" generated during the recent boom. Can you please provide your source for that...
You said 1% of the population earned nearly 75% of the "new wealth" generated during the recent boom.

Can you please provide your source for that info?

I'm interested to know what that source considers "wealth". Is home equity wealth? Or is it only liquid assets? etc. And how they came to that conclusion.

Honest question, It would be nice if you could give me an answer.


Could just past the page as there we too many graphs...http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
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Titan 3/18/2009 8:28am
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Titan wrote:
You said 1% of the population earned nearly 75% of the "new wealth" generated during the recent boom. Can you please provide your source for that...
You said 1% of the population earned nearly 75% of the "new wealth" generated during the recent boom.

Can you please provide your source for that info?

I'm interested to know what that source considers "wealth". Is home equity wealth? Or is it only liquid assets? etc. And how they came to that conclusion.

Honest question, It would be nice if you could give me an answer.


Factory134 wrote:
Could just past the page as there we too many graphs...http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
Thanks for taking the time to post that link. It is very interesting.

However, No Spin Zone was talking about "new money" created during the recent economic boom (appx: 2002-2007, I assume). He said that the top 1% if income earners earned 75% of the "new money" during those years. And was using that stat to make the point that it wasn't real money, and led us to the current situtation, and was further using it to justify forcing the "rich" to bail us out...if they earned all the money during the boom, its fair that they pay to get us out of this mess. (I disagreed)

And I'd just like to get a source for that info. Because if he just made it up (which it appears that he did), his entire arguement goes up in flames.

Anyway, He cleverly said he read it in a "financial magazine"...couldn't remember the name, convenientyly....but that isn't going to cut it. Anyone could make any claim, and then say they read it in a "magazine" but couldn't remember the name...."just take my word for it" type of thing.

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Here is one source, how accurate the comments are would have to be researched further.

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No Spin Zone 3/18/2009 9:43am
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Now you're being dishonest, Titan. I said in the other thread two sources where I saw the stat, now you're pretending it didn't happen in a new thread. Go back to the old one.
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No Spin Zone wrote:
Now you're being dishonest, Titan. I said in the other thread two sources where I saw the stat, now you're pretending it didn't happen in a...
Now you're being dishonest, Titan. I said in the other thread two sources where I saw the stat, now you're pretending it didn't happen in a new thread. Go back to the old one.
Yeah, you "saw" the stat, you expect me to take your word for it?

And Bill Maher? Really? Come on dude...what kind of source is a comedian?

This is the information age...endless information is at your finger tips...so prove it.

Provide me a link to the information.

This one time, I read "somewhere" that there are little green men on Pluto...seriously..I read that somewhere...I saw it on TV once too. (see how silly you sound?)
No Spin Zone 3/18/2009 11:57am
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No Spin Zone wrote:
Now you're being dishonest, Titan. I said in the other thread two sources where I saw the stat, now you're pretending it didn't happen in a...
Now you're being dishonest, Titan. I said in the other thread two sources where I saw the stat, now you're pretending it didn't happen in a new thread. Go back to the old one.
Titan wrote:
Yeah, you "saw" the stat, you expect me to take your word for it? And Bill Maher? Really? Come on dude...what kind of source is a...
Yeah, you "saw" the stat, you expect me to take your word for it?

And Bill Maher? Really? Come on dude...what kind of source is a comedian?

This is the information age...endless information is at your finger tips...so prove it.

Provide me a link to the information.

This one time, I read "somewhere" that there are little green men on Pluto...seriously..I read that somewhere...I saw it on TV once too. (see how silly you sound?)
Are you making the claim that it's not true?
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Farva 3/18/2009 12:02pm
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No Spin Zone wrote:
Now you're being dishonest, Titan. I said in the other thread two sources where I saw the stat, now you're pretending it didn't happen in a...
Now you're being dishonest, Titan. I said in the other thread two sources where I saw the stat, now you're pretending it didn't happen in a new thread. Go back to the old one.
Titan wrote:
Yeah, you "saw" the stat, you expect me to take your word for it? And Bill Maher? Really? Come on dude...what kind of source is a...
Yeah, you "saw" the stat, you expect me to take your word for it?

And Bill Maher? Really? Come on dude...what kind of source is a comedian?

This is the information age...endless information is at your finger tips...so prove it.

Provide me a link to the information.

This one time, I read "somewhere" that there are little green men on Pluto...seriously..I read that somewhere...I saw it on TV once too. (see how silly you sound?)
No Spin Zone wrote:
Are you making the claim that it's not true?
We have yet to see any proof that it is.
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Titan 3/18/2009 12:03pm
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No Spin Zone wrote:
Now you're being dishonest, Titan. I said in the other thread two sources where I saw the stat, now you're pretending it didn't happen in a...
Now you're being dishonest, Titan. I said in the other thread two sources where I saw the stat, now you're pretending it didn't happen in a new thread. Go back to the old one.
Titan wrote:
Yeah, you "saw" the stat, you expect me to take your word for it? And Bill Maher? Really? Come on dude...what kind of source is a...
Yeah, you "saw" the stat, you expect me to take your word for it?

And Bill Maher? Really? Come on dude...what kind of source is a comedian?

This is the information age...endless information is at your finger tips...so prove it.

Provide me a link to the information.

This one time, I read "somewhere" that there are little green men on Pluto...seriously..I read that somewhere...I saw it on TV once too. (see how silly you sound?)
No Spin Zone wrote:
Are you making the claim that it's not true?
I'm asking you to back up your claim that it IS true...This isn't like "innocent until proven guilty"...when it comes to claims on the internet they are inherently "false until proven true". Just the way it works.

Burden of proof lies on you, my friend.

I can't claim there are little green men on Pluto...and then expect you to prove otherwise. Just like you can't expect me to prove your stat isn't true.

Burden of proof...on you.
No Spin Zone 3/18/2009 12:07pm
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Titan wrote:
Yeah, you "saw" the stat, you expect me to take your word for it? And Bill Maher? Really? Come on dude...what kind of source is a...
Yeah, you "saw" the stat, you expect me to take your word for it?

And Bill Maher? Really? Come on dude...what kind of source is a comedian?

This is the information age...endless information is at your finger tips...so prove it.

Provide me a link to the information.

This one time, I read "somewhere" that there are little green men on Pluto...seriously..I read that somewhere...I saw it on TV once too. (see how silly you sound?)
No Spin Zone wrote:
Are you making the claim that it's not true?
Titan wrote:
I'm asking you to back up your claim that it IS true...This isn't like "innocent until proven guilty"...when it comes to claims on the internet they...
I'm asking you to back up your claim that it IS true...This isn't like "innocent until proven guilty"...when it comes to claims on the internet they are inherently "false until proven true". Just the way it works.

Burden of proof lies on you, my friend.

I can't claim there are little green men on Pluto...and then expect you to prove otherwise. Just like you can't expect me to prove your stat isn't true.

Burden of proof...on you.
I told you where I got it. Not everything is on the internet. There are things called books and magazines. You should check them out.
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Farva 3/18/2009 12:09pm
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No Spin Zone wrote:
Are you making the claim that it's not true?
Titan wrote:
I'm asking you to back up your claim that it IS true...This isn't like "innocent until proven guilty"...when it comes to claims on the internet they...
I'm asking you to back up your claim that it IS true...This isn't like "innocent until proven guilty"...when it comes to claims on the internet they are inherently "false until proven true". Just the way it works.

Burden of proof lies on you, my friend.

I can't claim there are little green men on Pluto...and then expect you to prove otherwise. Just like you can't expect me to prove your stat isn't true.

Burden of proof...on you.
No Spin Zone wrote:
I told you where I got it. Not everything is on the internet. There are things called books and magazines. You should check them out.
if there were a book or magazine with that type of crazy information it would be all over the internet, and used in all sorts of blogs, and such, as well I have yet to see the name of the book, or the issue of the magazine you found that in.


I can claim all sorts of crazy things that are in books if I don't have to site them. I read in a book once that 99 percent of all diseases are spread by gay's. Now I can't give the name of the book or magazine, where to find it or any such thing but it was in a book so...
No Spin Zone 3/18/2009 12:13pm
3/18/2009 12:13pm
Titan wrote:
I'm asking you to back up your claim that it IS true...This isn't like "innocent until proven guilty"...when it comes to claims on the internet they...
I'm asking you to back up your claim that it IS true...This isn't like "innocent until proven guilty"...when it comes to claims on the internet they are inherently "false until proven true". Just the way it works.

Burden of proof lies on you, my friend.

I can't claim there are little green men on Pluto...and then expect you to prove otherwise. Just like you can't expect me to prove your stat isn't true.

Burden of proof...on you.
No Spin Zone wrote:
I told you where I got it. Not everything is on the internet. There are things called books and magazines. You should check them out.
Farva wrote:
if there were a book or magazine with that type of crazy information it would be all over the internet, and used in all sorts of...
if there were a book or magazine with that type of crazy information it would be all over the internet, and used in all sorts of blogs, and such, as well I have yet to see the name of the book, or the issue of the magazine you found that in.


I can claim all sorts of crazy things that are in books if I don't have to site them. I read in a book once that 99 percent of all diseases are spread by gay's. Now I can't give the name of the book or magazine, where to find it or any such thing but it was in a book so...
It made it onto Real Time with Bill Maher!

So what school do you go to, and what's your major? Or what's your real name?
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Farva 3/18/2009 12:14pm
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No Spin Zone wrote:
I told you where I got it. Not everything is on the internet. There are things called books and magazines. You should check them out.
Farva wrote:
if there were a book or magazine with that type of crazy information it would be all over the internet, and used in all sorts of...
if there were a book or magazine with that type of crazy information it would be all over the internet, and used in all sorts of blogs, and such, as well I have yet to see the name of the book, or the issue of the magazine you found that in.


I can claim all sorts of crazy things that are in books if I don't have to site them. I read in a book once that 99 percent of all diseases are spread by gay's. Now I can't give the name of the book or magazine, where to find it or any such thing but it was in a book so...
No Spin Zone wrote:
It made it onto Real Time with Bill Maher!

So what school do you go to, and what's your major? Or what's your real name?
Your going to take the words of a stand up comedian as factual? What episode was it in?
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Titan 3/18/2009 12:17pm
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No Spin Zone wrote:
I told you where I got it. Not everything is on the internet. There are things called books and magazines. You should check them out.
Farva wrote:
if there were a book or magazine with that type of crazy information it would be all over the internet, and used in all sorts of...
if there were a book or magazine with that type of crazy information it would be all over the internet, and used in all sorts of blogs, and such, as well I have yet to see the name of the book, or the issue of the magazine you found that in.


I can claim all sorts of crazy things that are in books if I don't have to site them. I read in a book once that 99 percent of all diseases are spread by gay's. Now I can't give the name of the book or magazine, where to find it or any such thing but it was in a book so...
No Spin Zone wrote:
It made it onto Real Time with Bill Maher!

So what school do you go to, and what's your major? Or what's your real name?
Bill Maher? Really...you're going to hang you're hat on a comedian?

Come on now...
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Farva 3/18/2009 12:18pm
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I saw an episode of the No Spin Zone on TV in which they said everything Bill Maher said was bull shit, so its all bull shit what he said. Now I can't tell you what episode but he said it so its true...
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Titan 3/18/2009 12:23pm
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No Spin Zone wrote:
Are you making the claim that it's not true?
Titan wrote:
I'm asking you to back up your claim that it IS true...This isn't like "innocent until proven guilty"...when it comes to claims on the internet they...
I'm asking you to back up your claim that it IS true...This isn't like "innocent until proven guilty"...when it comes to claims on the internet they are inherently "false until proven true". Just the way it works.

Burden of proof lies on you, my friend.

I can't claim there are little green men on Pluto...and then expect you to prove otherwise. Just like you can't expect me to prove your stat isn't true.

Burden of proof...on you.
No Spin Zone wrote:
I told you where I got it. Not everything is on the internet. There are things called books and magazines. You should check them out.
Proof lies on you...and I'm not going to take your word for it.
No Spin Zone 3/18/2009 12:26pm
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Farva wrote:
if there were a book or magazine with that type of crazy information it would be all over the internet, and used in all sorts of...
if there were a book or magazine with that type of crazy information it would be all over the internet, and used in all sorts of blogs, and such, as well I have yet to see the name of the book, or the issue of the magazine you found that in.


I can claim all sorts of crazy things that are in books if I don't have to site them. I read in a book once that 99 percent of all diseases are spread by gay's. Now I can't give the name of the book or magazine, where to find it or any such thing but it was in a book so...
No Spin Zone wrote:
It made it onto Real Time with Bill Maher!

So what school do you go to, and what's your major? Or what's your real name?
Titan wrote:
Bill Maher? Really...you're going to hang you're hat on a comedian?

Come on now...
He's a comedian. Does that negate everything he says? So, is Jon Stewart also always wrong?
No Spin Zone 3/18/2009 12:26pm
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Titan wrote:
I'm asking you to back up your claim that it IS true...This isn't like "innocent until proven guilty"...when it comes to claims on the internet they...
I'm asking you to back up your claim that it IS true...This isn't like "innocent until proven guilty"...when it comes to claims on the internet they are inherently "false until proven true". Just the way it works.

Burden of proof lies on you, my friend.

I can't claim there are little green men on Pluto...and then expect you to prove otherwise. Just like you can't expect me to prove your stat isn't true.

Burden of proof...on you.
No Spin Zone wrote:
I told you where I got it. Not everything is on the internet. There are things called books and magazines. You should check them out.
Titan wrote:
Proof lies on you...and I'm not going to take your word for it.
Then that's your choice. The reality is you're afraid to confront the issue because it hurts your point too much.

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Farva 3/18/2009 12:29pm
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No Spin Zone wrote:
It made it onto Real Time with Bill Maher!

So what school do you go to, and what's your major? Or what's your real name?
Titan wrote:
Bill Maher? Really...you're going to hang you're hat on a comedian?

Come on now...
No Spin Zone wrote:
He's a comedian. Does that negate everything he says? So, is Jon Stewart also always wrong?
Does it mean they are always right?


Especially when you can't find proof of what they said was right? Just did a library search, that included journals and such for what you claimed as fact and not even a single journal clip came up with that information. That sinking ship you seem to be riding is looking worse and worse.
No Spin Zone 3/18/2009 12:33pm
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Titan wrote:
Bill Maher? Really...you're going to hang you're hat on a comedian?

Come on now...
No Spin Zone wrote:
He's a comedian. Does that negate everything he says? So, is Jon Stewart also always wrong?
Farva wrote:
Does it mean they are always right? Especially when you can't find proof of what they said was right? Just did a library search, that included...
Does it mean they are always right?


Especially when you can't find proof of what they said was right? Just did a library search, that included journals and such for what you claimed as fact and not even a single journal clip came up with that information. That sinking ship you seem to be riding is looking worse and worse.
No, but the claim here is that it's not reliable simply because he's a comedian. Are you guys going back on that now?
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Farva 3/18/2009 12:39pm
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No Spin Zone wrote:
He's a comedian. Does that negate everything he says? So, is Jon Stewart also always wrong?
Farva wrote:
Does it mean they are always right? Especially when you can't find proof of what they said was right? Just did a library search, that included...
Does it mean they are always right?


Especially when you can't find proof of what they said was right? Just did a library search, that included journals and such for what you claimed as fact and not even a single journal clip came up with that information. That sinking ship you seem to be riding is looking worse and worse.
No Spin Zone wrote:
No, but the claim here is that it's not reliable simply because he's a comedian. Are you guys going back on that now?
Not only can we not find where he said it, but not a single library journal, magazine or book can be found with the information when I did a school library search on it...

Remember when I did not bail out of my ship and I followed it to the bottom of the ocean?

Would you like to do that or jump off now?
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No Spin Zone wrote:
It made it onto Real Time with Bill Maher!

So what school do you go to, and what's your major? Or what's your real name?
Titan wrote:
Bill Maher? Really...you're going to hang you're hat on a comedian?

Come on now...
No Spin Zone wrote:
He's a comedian. Does that negate everything he says? So, is Jon Stewart also always wrong?
It's not that they're a comedian that is the issue...it's that you know damn well they aren't doing their own research, neither are they held to the same standards of integrity in reporting journalists are.

That is the issue...their job is to be funny and to cause controversy; whereas a true journalists' job is to accurately report the news.

Had you said, you'd heard it on the the CBS Evening News, or even from Katie Couric...it would have given you a bit more creditiblity.

But hearing it from Maher is just like hearing it from Leno or Letterman. Yeah, they say true stuff, but it's always with a spin, and they certainly aren't reporting the entire story.

just saying.

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Titan 3/18/2009 1:25pm
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No Spin Zone wrote:
He's a comedian. Does that negate everything he says? So, is Jon Stewart also always wrong?
Farva wrote:
Does it mean they are always right? Especially when you can't find proof of what they said was right? Just did a library search, that included...
Does it mean they are always right?


Especially when you can't find proof of what they said was right? Just did a library search, that included journals and such for what you claimed as fact and not even a single journal clip came up with that information. That sinking ship you seem to be riding is looking worse and worse.
No Spin Zone wrote:
No, but the claim here is that it's not reliable simply because he's a comedian. Are you guys going back on that now?
Nice attempt to change the subject...not gonna work.
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BMSOB 3/18/2009 1:29pm
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Titan wrote:
It's not that they're a comedian that is the issue...it's that you know damn well they aren't doing their own research, neither are they held to...
It's not that they're a comedian that is the issue...it's that you know damn well they aren't doing their own research, neither are they held to the same standards of integrity in reporting journalists are.

That is the issue...their job is to be funny and to cause controversy; whereas a true journalists' job is to accurately report the news.

Had you said, you'd heard it on the the CBS Evening News, or even from Katie Couric...it would have given you a bit more creditiblity.

But hearing it from Maher is just like hearing it from Leno or Letterman. Yeah, they say true stuff, but it's always with a spin, and they certainly aren't reporting the entire story.

just saying.

Since I don't have the time to waste reading umpteen pages of baiting & backbiting & putting aside NSZ's possibly untrue stats, just what exactly was your point in the first place? It seems to have gotten lost in the piling on.
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Titan 3/18/2009 3:39pm
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No Spin Zone wrote:
I'm working on finding the video, by the way.
I'm working on finding the video, by the way.
That'd be great!...I'm more interested in finding out about the study, than I am about being right.

The place Maher got it would be better (I know he didn't do his own research), but at least I"ll know you didn't make it up...
No Spin Zone 3/18/2009 3:42pm
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I'm working on finding the video, by the way.
I'm working on finding the video, by the way.
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That'd be great!...I'm more interested in finding out about the study, than I am about being right. The place Maher got it would be better (I...
That'd be great!...I'm more interested in finding out about the study, than I am about being right.

The place Maher got it would be better (I know he didn't do his own research), but at least I"ll know you didn't make it up...
It would be helpful if I knew which show it was on. It was definitely from this year, but I don't know if it was two weeks ago or five weeks ago.
No Spin Zone 3/18/2009 3:43pm
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And when I search for the actual information in text form on the internet, every time I put in "$800 billion" all I get are stories about the bailout, not the rest.
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Titan 3/18/2009 3:58pm
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Sure...what are the realities of it?

Post a reply to: No Spin Zone...answer this question.