Michael Moore talks about gun control.

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Have fun with this, boys:

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Does anyone know if Mike has a CCW or uses armed escort?
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Change our attitudes towards one another: Fine.

More laws when you don't ENFORCE the laws you ALREADY HAVE?

Blow me.

I can understand his sentiment: I can't understand his disdain for our foundation and our charter.

...nothing but a White Al Sharpton.

Period.

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He's looking for another payday and sees this as his chance.
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He's looking for another payday and sees this as his chance.
Bingo.

I've wanted to slap that fuck ever since he made "Bowling".

Fuck him.

The guys of "Southpark" have this shit-head figured out...ever see Team America?
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I know this is a huge can of worms to open, but I work alongside Americans in my place of work, All great people, and when I travel to the USA, I have never had a bad experience. I don' t understand why you can't have some gun control, and why you all feel so unsafe without a gun. Most Canadians don't own guns, and we feel safe without them. You have 10 times our population, yet have 800 times the gun fatalities per year ( I read this in an article).

I'm not suggesting getting rid of all your guns, just maybe putting some restrictions on the sale, and storage of them. Here it is such a pain in the ass to get one, most say fuck it. I'm not suggesting that either, but do you really need a fully automatic assault rifle to protect your family?
Here they have to be kept locked in a safe, and ammunition in a separate secured location.
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Alan Dershowitz see's NO CONNECTIVITY between Gun Ownership and the Reduction of Crime...fine. Come up here to Redding, Alan...see what gun ownership does in a community with fairly high unemployment; yet, awfully low crime rates even in the face of you Big City Fucks EXPORTING your Parolees to our communities.

Anyone care to know where Mr. Dershowitz get's his stats...? I sure would.

Hey, Alan, fuck you and your Limousine Liberal friends.
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Markout wrote:
I know this is a huge can of worms to open, but I work alongside Americans in my place of work, All great people, and when...
I know this is a huge can of worms to open, but I work alongside Americans in my place of work, All great people, and when I travel to the USA, I have never had a bad experience. I don' t understand why you can't have some gun control, and why you all feel so unsafe without a gun. Most Canadians don't own guns, and we feel safe without them. You have 10 times our population, yet have 800 times the gun fatalities per year ( I read this in an article).

I'm not suggesting getting rid of all your guns, just maybe putting some restrictions on the sale, and storage of them. Here it is such a pain in the ass to get one, most say fuck it. I'm not suggesting that either, but do you really need a fully automatic assault rifle to protect your family?
Here they have to be kept locked in a safe, and ammunition in a separate secured location.
I believe your laws just got a bit softer and/or some of them might have expired?

Also, take a look at the fundamental differences in in History and Origin between our two countries and you'll see why we're a bunch of cowboys.
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7/25/2012 10:27am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2012 10:28am
Markout wrote:
I know this is a huge can of worms to open, but I work alongside Americans in my place of work, All great people, and when...
I know this is a huge can of worms to open, but I work alongside Americans in my place of work, All great people, and when I travel to the USA, I have never had a bad experience. I don' t understand why you can't have some gun control, and why you all feel so unsafe without a gun. Most Canadians don't own guns, and we feel safe without them. You have 10 times our population, yet have 800 times the gun fatalities per year ( I read this in an article).

I'm not suggesting getting rid of all your guns, just maybe putting some restrictions on the sale, and storage of them. Here it is such a pain in the ass to get one, most say fuck it. I'm not suggesting that either, but do you really need a fully automatic assault rifle to protect your family?
Here they have to be kept locked in a safe, and ammunition in a separate secured location.
Wikipedia

Province Blacks by number Blacks by %
Ontario 473,765 3.9%
Quebec 188,070 2.5%
Alberta 47,075 1.4%
British Columbia 28,315 0.7%
Nova Scotia 19,230 2.1%
Manitoba 15,660 1.4%
Saskatchewan 5,090 0.5%
New Brunswick 4,455 0.6%
Newfoundland and Labrador 905 0.2%
Prince Edward Island 640 0.5%
Northwest Territories 375 0.9%
Yukon 125 0.4%
Nunavut 100 0.3%
Canada 783,795

Wikipedia

Race / Ethnicity Number Percentage of
U.S. population
Americans 308,745,538 100.0 %
White or European American 223,553,265 72.4 %
Black or African American 38,929,319 12.6 %



Information from the American Firearms Institute.

Weapon Use and Violent Crime

Estimates from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) indicate that between 1993 and 2001 - about 10% of the violent victimizations involved a firearm - approximately 26% of the average annual 8.9 million violent victimizations were committed by offenders armed with a weapon.
From 1993 through 2001 violent crime declined 54%; weapon violence went down 59%; and firearm violence, 63%.
Males, American Indians, and Hispanics, the young, and those with the lowest annual household income were more vulnerable to weapon violence in general and firearm violence in particular than their respective counterparts.
For the 9-year period beginning with 1993, 23% of white victims of violence and 36% of black victims were victims of violence involving an offender armed with a weapon.
About 7% of white victims and 17% of black victims were involved in incidents in which an offender was armed with a gun.
Blacks were about 9 times more likely than whites to be victims of gun-related homicides (25 per 100,000 blacks age 12 or older versus 3 per 100,000 whites.)
Firearm violence rates for blacks age 12 or older (8.4 per 1,000 blacks) were - 40% higher than rates for Hispanics (6.0), - 200% higher than rates for whites (2.8 per 1,000).
Blacks were about 9 times more likely than whites to be murdered with a firearm.
On average black victims of firearm violence were 3 years younger than white victims - 29 versus 32.
From 1993 through 2001 blacks accounted for 49% of homicide victims and 54% of victims of firearm homicide but 12% of the U.S. population.
The likelihood of an injury was the same for victims facing armed and unarmed offenders (26%); serious injury was more likely from armed offenders (7% versus 2%).
From 1993 through 2001 the number of murders declined 36% while the number of murders by firearms dropped 41%.
From 1994 through 1999, the years for which data are available, about 7 in 10 murders at school involved some type of firearm, and approximately 1 in 2 murders at school involved a handgun.


You tell me what's wrong with this picture.
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Markout wrote:
I know this is a huge can of worms to open, but I work alongside Americans in my place of work, All great people, and when...
I know this is a huge can of worms to open, but I work alongside Americans in my place of work, All great people, and when I travel to the USA, I have never had a bad experience. I don' t understand why you can't have some gun control, and why you all feel so unsafe without a gun. Most Canadians don't own guns, and we feel safe without them. You have 10 times our population, yet have 800 times the gun fatalities per year ( I read this in an article).

I'm not suggesting getting rid of all your guns, just maybe putting some restrictions on the sale, and storage of them. Here it is such a pain in the ass to get one, most say fuck it. I'm not suggesting that either, but do you really need a fully automatic assault rifle to protect your family?
Here they have to be kept locked in a safe, and ammunition in a separate secured location.
reded wrote:
Wikipedia Province Blacks by number Blacks by % Ontario 473,765 3.9% Quebec 188,070 2.5% Alberta 47,075 1.4% British Columbia 28,315 0.7% Nova Scotia 19,230 2.1% Manitoba...
Wikipedia

Province Blacks by number Blacks by %
Ontario 473,765 3.9%
Quebec 188,070 2.5%
Alberta 47,075 1.4%
British Columbia 28,315 0.7%
Nova Scotia 19,230 2.1%
Manitoba 15,660 1.4%
Saskatchewan 5,090 0.5%
New Brunswick 4,455 0.6%
Newfoundland and Labrador 905 0.2%
Prince Edward Island 640 0.5%
Northwest Territories 375 0.9%
Yukon 125 0.4%
Nunavut 100 0.3%
Canada 783,795

Wikipedia

Race / Ethnicity Number Percentage of
U.S. population
Americans 308,745,538 100.0 %
White or European American 223,553,265 72.4 %
Black or African American 38,929,319 12.6 %



Information from the American Firearms Institute.

Weapon Use and Violent Crime

Estimates from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) indicate that between 1993 and 2001 - about 10% of the violent victimizations involved a firearm - approximately 26% of the average annual 8.9 million violent victimizations were committed by offenders armed with a weapon.
From 1993 through 2001 violent crime declined 54%; weapon violence went down 59%; and firearm violence, 63%.
Males, American Indians, and Hispanics, the young, and those with the lowest annual household income were more vulnerable to weapon violence in general and firearm violence in particular than their respective counterparts.
For the 9-year period beginning with 1993, 23% of white victims of violence and 36% of black victims were victims of violence involving an offender armed with a weapon.
About 7% of white victims and 17% of black victims were involved in incidents in which an offender was armed with a gun.
Blacks were about 9 times more likely than whites to be victims of gun-related homicides (25 per 100,000 blacks age 12 or older versus 3 per 100,000 whites.)
Firearm violence rates for blacks age 12 or older (8.4 per 1,000 blacks) were - 40% higher than rates for Hispanics (6.0), - 200% higher than rates for whites (2.8 per 1,000).
Blacks were about 9 times more likely than whites to be murdered with a firearm.
On average black victims of firearm violence were 3 years younger than white victims - 29 versus 32.
From 1993 through 2001 blacks accounted for 49% of homicide victims and 54% of victims of firearm homicide but 12% of the U.S. population.
The likelihood of an injury was the same for victims facing armed and unarmed offenders (26%); serious injury was more likely from armed offenders (7% versus 2%).
From 1993 through 2001 the number of murders declined 36% while the number of murders by firearms dropped 41%.
From 1994 through 1999, the years for which data are available, about 7 in 10 murders at school involved some type of firearm, and approximately 1 in 2 murders at school involved a handgun.


You tell me what's wrong with this picture.
Just try to aim "gun control" in that direction and see what happens.
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Markout wrote:
I know this is a huge can of worms to open, but I work alongside Americans in my place of work, All great people, and when...
I know this is a huge can of worms to open, but I work alongside Americans in my place of work, All great people, and when I travel to the USA, I have never had a bad experience. I don' t understand why you can't have some gun control, and why you all feel so unsafe without a gun. Most Canadians don't own guns, and we feel safe without them. You have 10 times our population, yet have 800 times the gun fatalities per year ( I read this in an article).

I'm not suggesting getting rid of all your guns, just maybe putting some restrictions on the sale, and storage of them. Here it is such a pain in the ass to get one, most say fuck it. I'm not suggesting that either, but do you really need a fully automatic assault rifle to protect your family?
Here they have to be kept locked in a safe, and ammunition in a separate secured location.
I agree with this, again i have never had an issue while in the US, the gun debate seems at times to be non sensical,

I do not see the need for assault weapons, that are no good for hunting, or really for personal protection being available so easily, they are useful for nothing except killing and maiming a large amount of people quickly,

however in saying this, i know their are that many out there already, that the problem is far to big to stop now,
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7/25/2012 11:49am
Markout wrote:
I know this is a huge can of worms to open, but I work alongside Americans in my place of work, All great people, and when...
I know this is a huge can of worms to open, but I work alongside Americans in my place of work, All great people, and when I travel to the USA, I have never had a bad experience. I don' t understand why you can't have some gun control, and why you all feel so unsafe without a gun. Most Canadians don't own guns, and we feel safe without them. You have 10 times our population, yet have 800 times the gun fatalities per year ( I read this in an article).

I'm not suggesting getting rid of all your guns, just maybe putting some restrictions on the sale, and storage of them. Here it is such a pain in the ass to get one, most say fuck it. I'm not suggesting that either, but do you really need a fully automatic assault rifle to protect your family?
Here they have to be kept locked in a safe, and ammunition in a separate secured location.
One point you are mistaken on is that a lot of people have "fully automatic" guns. Those are more tightly regulated and are much more expensive. I think most start in the $15,000 range. Just about everyone I know owns some kind of gun, but I don't know anyone with full auto.
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Friend of mine has let my youngest son burn off thousands of rounds through this one and thousands through several other historical guns and no one died. Funny how that works. Manufactured in the General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Plant back during WW2. Little history involved there but the anti gun nuts won't appreciate that I'm sure.
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7/25/2012 12:09pm
Newmann, your friend has too much money and your son has too much fun. Lucky kid!
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Bob693 wrote:
One point you are mistaken on is that a lot of people have "fully automatic" guns. Those are more tightly regulated and are much more expensive...
One point you are mistaken on is that a lot of people have "fully automatic" guns. Those are more tightly regulated and are much more expensive. I think most start in the $15,000 range. Just about everyone I know owns some kind of gun, but I don't know anyone with full auto.
I wasn't implying that a lot of people had them, just why would you need one? And why are they available? I realize they are expensive, and fun to shoot I'm sure. Maybe they should require a special license to own one, and higher level of secured storage?

One thing I do find interesting is that our two countries are similar in many ways, but Canadians don't have the fear Americans have of not owning a gun. I talk to Americans about this, and their question is " how do you feel safe without a gun"? I'm not anti gun, I have owned a few in the past. I just wonder if the media plays a bigger role in the fear mongering.

Newmann, I'm not anti gun, and I would love to shoot that myself, and I doubt your friend carries that around over his shoulder, or would shoot up a movie theater. I think it's cool your son has shot it, and has learned proper, and safe use of a firearm.
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7/25/2012 12:18pm
Bob693 wrote:
One point you are mistaken on is that a lot of people have "fully automatic" guns. Those are more tightly regulated and are much more expensive...
One point you are mistaken on is that a lot of people have "fully automatic" guns. Those are more tightly regulated and are much more expensive. I think most start in the $15,000 range. Just about everyone I know owns some kind of gun, but I don't know anyone with full auto.
Markout wrote:
I wasn't implying that a lot of people had them, just why would you need one? And why are they available? I realize they are expensive...
I wasn't implying that a lot of people had them, just why would you need one? And why are they available? I realize they are expensive, and fun to shoot I'm sure. Maybe they should require a special license to own one, and higher level of secured storage?

One thing I do find interesting is that our two countries are similar in many ways, but Canadians don't have the fear Americans have of not owning a gun. I talk to Americans about this, and their question is " how do you feel safe without a gun"? I'm not anti gun, I have owned a few in the past. I just wonder if the media plays a bigger role in the fear mongering.

Newmann, I'm not anti gun, and I would love to shoot that myself, and I doubt your friend carries that around over his shoulder, or would shoot up a movie theater. I think it's cool your son has shot it, and has learned proper, and safe use of a firearm.
Maybe some Americans, but the vast majority of Americans don't have guns in their home. Last report I saw was that if you are counting handguns and shotguns (the main categories for both criminals and home defense), about one home in five have either of these present.
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Bob693 wrote:
One point you are mistaken on is that a lot of people have "fully automatic" guns. Those are more tightly regulated and are much more expensive...
One point you are mistaken on is that a lot of people have "fully automatic" guns. Those are more tightly regulated and are much more expensive. I think most start in the $15,000 range. Just about everyone I know owns some kind of gun, but I don't know anyone with full auto.
Markout wrote:
I wasn't implying that a lot of people had them, just why would you need one? And why are they available? I realize they are expensive...
I wasn't implying that a lot of people had them, just why would you need one? And why are they available? I realize they are expensive, and fun to shoot I'm sure. Maybe they should require a special license to own one, and higher level of secured storage?

One thing I do find interesting is that our two countries are similar in many ways, but Canadians don't have the fear Americans have of not owning a gun. I talk to Americans about this, and their question is " how do you feel safe without a gun"? I'm not anti gun, I have owned a few in the past. I just wonder if the media plays a bigger role in the fear mongering.

Newmann, I'm not anti gun, and I would love to shoot that myself, and I doubt your friend carries that around over his shoulder, or would shoot up a movie theater. I think it's cool your son has shot it, and has learned proper, and safe use of a firearm.
the fear thing is weird to me as well, In NZ our Police do not carry guns as a rule, and never on thier hip, some police cars have lock boxes in the boot but that is the minority,

as for the historical gun, i have no problem with these as well, but as Markout says, in a controlled enviroment they are a very cool thing,
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Markout wrote:
I wasn't implying that a lot of people had them, just why would you need one? And why are they available? I realize they are expensive...
I wasn't implying that a lot of people had them, just why would you need one? And why are they available? I realize they are expensive, and fun to shoot I'm sure. Maybe they should require a special license to own one, and higher level of secured storage?

One thing I do find interesting is that our two countries are similar in many ways, but Canadians don't have the fear Americans have of not owning a gun. I talk to Americans about this, and their question is " how do you feel safe without a gun"? I'm not anti gun, I have owned a few in the past. I just wonder if the media plays a bigger role in the fear mongering.

Newmann, I'm not anti gun, and I would love to shoot that myself, and I doubt your friend carries that around over his shoulder, or would shoot up a movie theater. I think it's cool your son has shot it, and has learned proper, and safe use of a firearm.
Class 3 weapons, like full auto, requires approval from the ATF with more extensive background checks done. I'm not sure about storage requirements though.
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newmann wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/07/25/gun_971754.jpg[/img] Friend of mine has let my youngest son burn off thousands of rounds through this one and thousands through several other historical guns and no...


Friend of mine has let my youngest son burn off thousands of rounds through this one and thousands through several other historical guns and no one died. Funny how that works. Manufactured in the General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Plant back during WW2. Little history involved there but the anti gun nuts won't appreciate that I'm sure.
Of course no one died, but the problem isn´t the responsible people, but when the guns get in the hands of criminals and irresponsible people. Why should the average man on the street need an assault rifle? There are too many crazy people out there. And the risk of collateral damage is also high when the average Joe can access one I would think.

And btw, I love guns, but I don´t think they are for everyone
7/25/2012 12:37pm
gun laws. thatll solve it. you know, because criminals follow laws.
you dont need guns to kill alot of people. this dude likely had the brains and the resources are definitely out there, that he could have bombed the whole theater. sorry to come off that way. but its the truth.
7/25/2012 12:44pm
Sunhouse wrote:
Of course no one died, but the problem isn´t the responsible people, but when the guns get in the hands of criminals and irresponsible people. Why...
Of course no one died, but the problem isn´t the responsible people, but when the guns get in the hands of criminals and irresponsible people. Why should the average man on the street need an assault rifle? There are too many crazy people out there. And the risk of collateral damage is also high when the average Joe can access one I would think.

And btw, I love guns, but I don´t think they are for everyone
ok but the assault rifles are out there already. and there is going to be no way to make sure they are all off the streets and destroyed. so now i have to protect myself with less deadly force?
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7/25/2012 12:47pm
FYI...our founding fathers wrote guns into the very earliest words of The Bill of Rights.

In doing this, they NEVER discussed the idea that said "The Right to Bear Arms" was based on "Hunting"...it was based on a need to defend.

Look into it...
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Markout wrote:
I wasn't implying that a lot of people had them, just why would you need one? And why are they available? I realize they are expensive...
I wasn't implying that a lot of people had them, just why would you need one? And why are they available? I realize they are expensive, and fun to shoot I'm sure. Maybe they should require a special license to own one, and higher level of secured storage?

One thing I do find interesting is that our two countries are similar in many ways, but Canadians don't have the fear Americans have of not owning a gun. I talk to Americans about this, and their question is " how do you feel safe without a gun"? I'm not anti gun, I have owned a few in the past. I just wonder if the media plays a bigger role in the fear mongering.

Newmann, I'm not anti gun, and I would love to shoot that myself, and I doubt your friend carries that around over his shoulder, or would shoot up a movie theater. I think it's cool your son has shot it, and has learned proper, and safe use of a firearm.
Bob693 wrote:
Class 3 weapons, like full auto, requires approval from the ATF with more extensive background checks done. I'm not sure about storage requirements though.
They do require special permits and they are not free. They also have to be renewed annually if I am not mistaken. And you don't just drive around town with that gun in your truck without all of the proper documentation to accompany it. If you have those type of guns without the proper paperwork, then you stand a chance of getting in serious trouble.

I wasn't calling Markout a anti gun nut . But his reference to shooting up a movie theatre? That was not a fully automatic assault rifle used in Co. was it?
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Markout wrote:
I wasn't implying that a lot of people had them, just why would you need one? And why are they available? I realize they are expensive...
I wasn't implying that a lot of people had them, just why would you need one? And why are they available? I realize they are expensive, and fun to shoot I'm sure. Maybe they should require a special license to own one, and higher level of secured storage?

One thing I do find interesting is that our two countries are similar in many ways, but Canadians don't have the fear Americans have of not owning a gun. I talk to Americans about this, and their question is " how do you feel safe without a gun"? I'm not anti gun, I have owned a few in the past. I just wonder if the media plays a bigger role in the fear mongering.

Newmann, I'm not anti gun, and I would love to shoot that myself, and I doubt your friend carries that around over his shoulder, or would shoot up a movie theater. I think it's cool your son has shot it, and has learned proper, and safe use of a firearm.
Bob693 wrote:
Class 3 weapons, like full auto, requires approval from the ATF with more extensive background checks done. I'm not sure about storage requirements though.
newmann wrote:
They do require special permits and they are not free. They also have to be renewed annually if I am not mistaken. And you don't just...
They do require special permits and they are not free. They also have to be renewed annually if I am not mistaken. And you don't just drive around town with that gun in your truck without all of the proper documentation to accompany it. If you have those type of guns without the proper paperwork, then you stand a chance of getting in serious trouble.

I wasn't calling Markout a anti gun nut . But his reference to shooting up a movie theatre? That was not a fully automatic assault rifle used in Co. was it?
I think it was a std AR15, a shot gun and a pistol.
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Of course no one died, but the problem isn´t the responsible people, but when the guns get in the hands of criminals and irresponsible people. Why...
Of course no one died, but the problem isn´t the responsible people, but when the guns get in the hands of criminals and irresponsible people. Why should the average man on the street need an assault rifle? There are too many crazy people out there. And the risk of collateral damage is also high when the average Joe can access one I would think.

And btw, I love guns, but I don´t think they are for everyone
ok but the assault rifles are out there already. and there is going to be no way to make sure they are all off the streets...
ok but the assault rifles are out there already. and there is going to be no way to make sure they are all off the streets and destroyed. so now i have to protect myself with less deadly force?
Aren´t they registered?
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newmann wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/07/25/gun_971754.jpg[/img] Friend of mine has let my youngest son burn off thousands of rounds through this one and thousands through several other historical guns and no...


Friend of mine has let my youngest son burn off thousands of rounds through this one and thousands through several other historical guns and no one died. Funny how that works. Manufactured in the General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Plant back during WW2. Little history involved there but the anti gun nuts won't appreciate that I'm sure.
Sunhouse wrote:
Of course no one died, but the problem isn´t the responsible people, but when the guns get in the hands of criminals and irresponsible people. Why...
Of course no one died, but the problem isn´t the responsible people, but when the guns get in the hands of criminals and irresponsible people. Why should the average man on the street need an assault rifle? There are too many crazy people out there. And the risk of collateral damage is also high when the average Joe can access one I would think.

And btw, I love guns, but I don´t think they are for everyone
Of course no one died, but the problem isn´t the responsible people, but when the guns get in the hands of criminals and irresponsible people.

And according to the statistics above, it appears that blacks/African Americans are way less responsible with guns than anyone else, so what exactly were you trying to say again?
7/25/2012 1:04pm
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Aren´t they registered?
lets assume they are all registered. the police reports of "stolen" guns would be on the rise. not everyone is going to hand them over. not everyone is a sheople.
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7/25/2012 1:08pm
Guns aren't causing these mass murders...so why would taking guns away stop mass murders? It won't....(There was a "mass stabbing" at a grocery store in SLC in the past week...stopped, if I remember correctly, by a man with a CCW.)

And the cause of mass murders like this is a fundamental breakdown in society and that problem can ONLY be fixed by strengthening the family. The government can't legislate this problem away, it can only be solved by a huge shift in society (and that will have to start in the home).

Taking away guns to stop mass murders is the equivilant of putting a band-aide on a slit throat. It's not even close to adequate.

The government will continue to use disasters such as this to take away liberties (in the name of security, and protection-protecting us from ourselves), and Americans will continue to allow disasters such as this as an excuse to give up their liberty in the name of security (because most Americans don't value liberty).

Fix the family! Fix Society!

(Oh, and screw Moore...he's an opportunist, and a douche bag.)

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