4/13/2018 4:45 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/13/2018 5:11 AM
greenmx5 wrote:
I never called it a fluke punch, I was just saying some did. But it would legitimize his win if he had the rematch. He told Aldo in the octagon while standing next to him "we will do this again."
Max is not even CLOSE to the same fighter he was when they fought the first time. Not even close. If you think he's relatively close to the same fighter he was when he fought McGregor, you don't watch MMA very often. Hitting someone on the button isn't considered "destroying" either. Granted, he did call it, and it was perfect timing, it's not destroying someone.
GSP won the belt and continued to defend it 2-3 times for years to legitimize his legacy.
I hate the argument that this person isn't popular enough or talk enough to fight Conor, so he doesn't get to fight him. Who fucking cares man. Really. Is this a sport or the WWE? Why do we even have rankings if it's based off who has the biggest mouth? If Conor was really "anyone, any time", he would have fought Ferguson, Barboza, Lee, and Khabib aleady. It's been a year and a half since he even fought. And nobody is bigger than the sport itself. Do you know what the selling price of the UFC was?
My point is only that him and his fans cannot call him the best or even on the list until he proves it with his skills, not his bank account. If you want to call him the best businessman in the UFC, go ahead. But he's not the best MMA fighter to ever step in there.
Jabroni wrote:
"Legitimize his win"..... seriously? Nobody has to legitimize a win when they dominate someone that convincingly.
And they would've rematched had Aldo kept his name up. But he didnt. He continued to lose fights and his stock has fallen. While at the same time Conor's stock kept rising. You really think Conor wouldnt fight him again if the money was right? The fact is, the money cant be right because Aldo cant sell PPV anymore.
Max isnt the same fighter he was when he was younger. You're right. But neither is Conor. And again, Conor beat Max while Conor's knee was torn.
You may watch a lot of MMA, but you dont really understand the business of fighting. Conor costs the UFC a LOT of money each time he fights. He cant just take on anyone / anytime. Nor should he. Listen to GSP's comments on the subject. Or Khabib's manager. They dont agree with casual fans such as yourself.
Sure, I'd love to see Conor fight 4x a year and battle everyone. I love watching him promote & fight. But I also understand the business and why it's not feasible. He outgrew the sport. That's no reason to question the legitimacy of his legacy or discredit his accomplishments. Totally weak on your part.
I cant believe you even use Kevin Lee as an example. Dude couldnt even make weight last time (eating tiramisu the night before weigh-ins) and totally fucked himself versus Ferguson. Tony, whom by the way is a total pull-out artist. Khabib doesnt promote well. And nobody knows who Barboza is outside of die-hard fans.
Fighters like GSP or Conor are champs for a reason. And they have every right to protect their legacy. If a guy wants to fight them, all they have to do is win & promote. Max is getting close. And Ortega is well on his way. Nate is already there.
Fucking Khabib just headlined his first PPV and you think Conor should've already fought him already. I cannot wait to see them fight, but damn, Khabib has to do his job as well.
Man.. there's so much wrong with your post.
Yes. Legitimize his win. "Domination" isn't defined by a one punch knockout. A domination would be beating someone over the course of a couple rounds and using them as a punching bag. Matt Serra beat GSP the first time they fought. Does that make Serra the better fighter? Hell no. You do know that guys sometimes fight 2 and 3 times to find out who the better fighter is? Junior dos Santos destroyed Cain Velasquez, but then Cain proved to be better by beating him twice after that. What was it exactly that McGregor did when he lost to Diaz? Asked for an immediate rematch. Look up how many trilogies there were in MMA.
Aldo beat Edgar in his first fight back in dominating fashion after losing to McGregor and won the interim belt since McGregor doesn't defend belts. They could have fought then. It could have been promoted. But it wasn't. Aldo could have done anything, but the UFC didn't want to promote it. It wasn't till a year later then he did in fact lose twice to Holloway.
Who are you to say what someone else on the internet understands and doesn't understand? I've been watching since Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie fought so long that they called it a draw, so I'm pretty far from a casual fan buddy.
You can say that McGregor is a great BUSINESSMAN, yes, and I'll agree. But as far as his legacy as a fighter, he has A LOT to prove yet. He had ONE fight at lightweight and had a road paved of gold to getting two belts, whereas nobody else was even given the opportunity. You can be the first to do something if everyone before you was denied.
The Tiramisu joke wasn't even regarding Kevin Lee.... it was Tony picking on Khabib. So, you call me a casual, then say that I'm a die-hard because I brought Barboza into the mix?
GSP didn't sit on his legacy. He defended his belt 9 times to Conor's 0. They're not even in the same category. Again, I'm talking about the fighting aspect, not the money and business aspect.
Every time Khabib is on the mic he says shit that people love. He's been calling for the belt and Conor for over a year now. And Tony is hilarious on the mic and interviews. The UFC isn't promoting people, bottom line, if you want to talk about the business end. They put all their eggs in the Rousey and McGregor baskets years ago and haven't done shit on promoting people since. There's plenty of dudes in there now with personalities that they're dropping the ball on. Look at the promo stuff for when Nunes fought Rousey. Rousey was coming back after a beating and all they talked about was her. You would have thought she was the champ going into the Nunes fight. They were banking on Rousey retaining her title, and it backfired majorly. 75% of the work of promotion is the UFC promoting you as well. You can do all you want, but if you're left in the dark by the organization you fight for, you're SOL. People still don't know who Nunes is. Sage Northcutt was promoted like he was the next great thing for some reason and he wasn't even that good. He had 0 personality.
You sound like a huge McGregor fan the way you say people don't deserve to fight him because of their popularity. This is the McGregor fan's way of trying to justify him not defending his belts, and it's getting stale. It will soon be 2 years since he won the lightweight belt and he doesn't even have a fight scheduled.That's where the sport is going to shit. The belts and rankings don't mean shit in MMA anymore, and the further we get from that, the further we get from the UFC being a legitimized sport. It's things like this that are leading us down the road of WWE.