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4/17/2012 5:58pm Edited Date/Time 4/23/2012 1:50pm
I purchased a nice Lenova 15.6", intel i5, 6gb of ram, 750gb hard rive laptop because I needed one for work to run a specific software.
I have a 13" Macbook Air at home.

It's just amazing how much better the Macbook Air is.

Here's a few key things.

Monitor:
The monitor on the Lenova is 15.6" and the Macbook 13" but they make stupid PC laptops so wide now that the up and down space is almost the same on both laptops. Obviously the Lenova is much wider. Kudos to Apple for realizing we don't need a widescreen monitor. It makes for crappy web browsing.

The monitor is far superior on the Macbook Air. It's brighter and crisper.

Keyboard
The keyboard is hard to type on the Lenova. It's kinda crunched together-mostly because of the number keypad on the right. They needed to use that space for the freaking unnecessary widescreen monitor. I keep hitting the number lock key instead of backspace.

The mouse trackpad
This is probably the biggest advantage Apple has over the PC Laptop. You can accomplish so much on the Apple trackpad it's just amazing. The Lenova has 2 finger scrolling but it's not fluid. You have to wait until the webpage loads completely to start using it. You can't double tap with two fingers to bring up a right click type option. It's also too far on the left side of the laptop even though it's centered with the keyboard itself. Makes it awkward to use. There's also no real multi-touch gestures even though they try.

The operating sytem
The Mac operating system is so much more fluid and powerful. When you go to Windows you realize how much a pain in the ass it really is to do what you want. Just the little things.

The Lenova PC laptop has 3 times the specs of my Macbook Air and runs 3 times poorly. It's just the nature of the Windows architecture.

I'm not hugely disappointed but I've been messing around with it all night and it is so much more difficult to get done what you need to on the PC compared to the Mac. Plus it's heavy as shit.

I am really surprised that people still use Windows as much as they do.

Just wanted to share. Smile
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I purchased a nice Lenova 15.6", intel i5, 6gb of ram, 750gb hard rive laptop because I needed one for work to run a specific software...
I purchased a nice Lenova 15.6", intel i5, 6gb of ram, 750gb hard rive laptop because I needed one for work to run a specific software.
I have a 13" Macbook Air at home.

It's just amazing how much better the Macbook Air is.

Here's a few key things.

Monitor:
The monitor on the Lenova is 15.6" and the Macbook 13" but they make stupid PC laptops so wide now that the up and down space is almost the same on both laptops. Obviously the Lenova is much wider. Kudos to Apple for realizing we don't need a widescreen monitor. It makes for crappy web browsing.

The monitor is far superior on the Macbook Air. It's brighter and crisper.

Keyboard
The keyboard is hard to type on the Lenova. It's kinda crunched together-mostly because of the number keypad on the right. They needed to use that space for the freaking unnecessary widescreen monitor. I keep hitting the number lock key instead of backspace.

The mouse trackpad
This is probably the biggest advantage Apple has over the PC Laptop. You can accomplish so much on the Apple trackpad it's just amazing. The Lenova has 2 finger scrolling but it's not fluid. You have to wait until the webpage loads completely to start using it. You can't double tap with two fingers to bring up a right click type option. It's also too far on the left side of the laptop even though it's centered with the keyboard itself. Makes it awkward to use. There's also no real multi-touch gestures even though they try.

The operating sytem
The Mac operating system is so much more fluid and powerful. When you go to Windows you realize how much a pain in the ass it really is to do what you want. Just the little things.

The Lenova PC laptop has 3 times the specs of my Macbook Air and runs 3 times poorly. It's just the nature of the Windows architecture.

I'm not hugely disappointed but I've been messing around with it all night and it is so much more difficult to get done what you need to on the PC compared to the Mac. Plus it's heavy as shit.

I am really surprised that people still use Windows as much as they do.

Just wanted to share. Smile
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple? Be specific (coming from a Linux guy)?

Explain in detail what the "Windows Architecture" lacks that the OSX makes up for?
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I purchased a nice Lenova 15.6", intel i5, 6gb of ram, 750gb hard rive laptop because I needed one for work to run a specific software...
I purchased a nice Lenova 15.6", intel i5, 6gb of ram, 750gb hard rive laptop because I needed one for work to run a specific software.
I have a 13" Macbook Air at home.

It's just amazing how much better the Macbook Air is.

Here's a few key things.

Monitor:
The monitor on the Lenova is 15.6" and the Macbook 13" but they make stupid PC laptops so wide now that the up and down space is almost the same on both laptops. Obviously the Lenova is much wider. Kudos to Apple for realizing we don't need a widescreen monitor. It makes for crappy web browsing.

The monitor is far superior on the Macbook Air. It's brighter and crisper.

Keyboard
The keyboard is hard to type on the Lenova. It's kinda crunched together-mostly because of the number keypad on the right. They needed to use that space for the freaking unnecessary widescreen monitor. I keep hitting the number lock key instead of backspace.

The mouse trackpad
This is probably the biggest advantage Apple has over the PC Laptop. You can accomplish so much on the Apple trackpad it's just amazing. The Lenova has 2 finger scrolling but it's not fluid. You have to wait until the webpage loads completely to start using it. You can't double tap with two fingers to bring up a right click type option. It's also too far on the left side of the laptop even though it's centered with the keyboard itself. Makes it awkward to use. There's also no real multi-touch gestures even though they try.

The operating sytem
The Mac operating system is so much more fluid and powerful. When you go to Windows you realize how much a pain in the ass it really is to do what you want. Just the little things.

The Lenova PC laptop has 3 times the specs of my Macbook Air and runs 3 times poorly. It's just the nature of the Windows architecture.

I'm not hugely disappointed but I've been messing around with it all night and it is so much more difficult to get done what you need to on the PC compared to the Mac. Plus it's heavy as shit.

I am really surprised that people still use Windows as much as they do.

Just wanted to share. Smile
e-socrates wrote:
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple...
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple? Be specific (coming from a Linux guy)?

Explain in detail what the "Windows Architecture" lacks that the OSX makes up for?
LOL what a doushe.

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I purchased a nice Lenova 15.6", intel i5, 6gb of ram, 750gb hard rive laptop because I needed one for work to run a specific software...
I purchased a nice Lenova 15.6", intel i5, 6gb of ram, 750gb hard rive laptop because I needed one for work to run a specific software.
I have a 13" Macbook Air at home.

It's just amazing how much better the Macbook Air is.

Here's a few key things.

Monitor:
The monitor on the Lenova is 15.6" and the Macbook 13" but they make stupid PC laptops so wide now that the up and down space is almost the same on both laptops. Obviously the Lenova is much wider. Kudos to Apple for realizing we don't need a widescreen monitor. It makes for crappy web browsing.

The monitor is far superior on the Macbook Air. It's brighter and crisper.

Keyboard
The keyboard is hard to type on the Lenova. It's kinda crunched together-mostly because of the number keypad on the right. They needed to use that space for the freaking unnecessary widescreen monitor. I keep hitting the number lock key instead of backspace.

The mouse trackpad
This is probably the biggest advantage Apple has over the PC Laptop. You can accomplish so much on the Apple trackpad it's just amazing. The Lenova has 2 finger scrolling but it's not fluid. You have to wait until the webpage loads completely to start using it. You can't double tap with two fingers to bring up a right click type option. It's also too far on the left side of the laptop even though it's centered with the keyboard itself. Makes it awkward to use. There's also no real multi-touch gestures even though they try.

The operating sytem
The Mac operating system is so much more fluid and powerful. When you go to Windows you realize how much a pain in the ass it really is to do what you want. Just the little things.

The Lenova PC laptop has 3 times the specs of my Macbook Air and runs 3 times poorly. It's just the nature of the Windows architecture.

I'm not hugely disappointed but I've been messing around with it all night and it is so much more difficult to get done what you need to on the PC compared to the Mac. Plus it's heavy as shit.

I am really surprised that people still use Windows as much as they do.

Just wanted to share. Smile
e-socrates wrote:
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple...
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple? Be specific (coming from a Linux guy)?

Explain in detail what the "Windows Architecture" lacks that the OSX makes up for?
Nielsen277 wrote:
LOL what a doushe.
why? i suppose youre one of the sheeple that bought into apples marketing? id like to hear what makes the mac os so superior other than what jobs spewed on the podium.
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e-socrates wrote:
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple...
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple? Be specific (coming from a Linux guy)?

Explain in detail what the "Windows Architecture" lacks that the OSX makes up for?
Well my current macbook that i have had for two years now has never crashed or froze. And this is mac vs. windows
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e-socrates wrote:
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple...
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple? Be specific (coming from a Linux guy)?

Explain in detail what the "Windows Architecture" lacks that the OSX makes up for?
Nielsen277 wrote:
LOL what a doushe.
why? i suppose youre one of the sheeple that bought into apples marketing? id like to hear what makes the mac os so superior other than...
why? i suppose youre one of the sheeple that bought into apples marketing? id like to hear what makes the mac os so superior other than what jobs spewed on the podium.
I can tell by the way you like to make broad generalizations that you're an idiot.

Millions of people swear by Apple products. Are you jealous that you don't fit in with that crowd?? You seem a bit butthurt.

Why do you care what other people do with their money?
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e-socrates wrote:
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple...
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple? Be specific (coming from a Linux guy)?

Explain in detail what the "Windows Architecture" lacks that the OSX makes up for?
Nielsen277 wrote:
LOL what a doushe.
why? i suppose youre one of the sheeple that bought into apples marketing? id like to hear what makes the mac os so superior other than...
why? i suppose youre one of the sheeple that bought into apples marketing? id like to hear what makes the mac os so superior other than what jobs spewed on the podium.
Your such a douchebag man and I know this because I have actually met you. You just don't know who I am.

I am not a sheeple. I am basing it off personal experience not what Jobs or anybody else said or marketing. How is that so hard for you to understand. You just went way off on a rant.

I don't want to write a long article on how the operating system is better. Just personal experience with both operating systems. Mac makes it much easier to get done what you need to. You can do the same thing on both operating systems but it's just more fluid and easier with both the OS and the hardware.

Understand?

I think it is really a matter of what your used to as well. My cousin can't use a Mac because it is so unfamiliar to him.
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Nielsen277 wrote:
LOL what a doushe.
why? i suppose youre one of the sheeple that bought into apples marketing? id like to hear what makes the mac os so superior other than...
why? i suppose youre one of the sheeple that bought into apples marketing? id like to hear what makes the mac os so superior other than what jobs spewed on the podium.
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Your such a douchebag man and I know this because I have actually met you. You just don't know who I am. I am not a...
Your such a douchebag man and I know this because I have actually met you. You just don't know who I am.

I am not a sheeple. I am basing it off personal experience not what Jobs or anybody else said or marketing. How is that so hard for you to understand. You just went way off on a rant.

I don't want to write a long article on how the operating system is better. Just personal experience with both operating systems. Mac makes it much easier to get done what you need to. You can do the same thing on both operating systems but it's just more fluid and easier with both the OS and the hardware.

Understand?

I think it is really a matter of what your used to as well. My cousin can't use a Mac because it is so unfamiliar to him.
i doubt we've met. im probably not who you think i am. and i understand what youre saying. its ford vs chevy. didnt mean to come off sounding like a rant. but i still like to hear why people buy into apple. its interesting to hear the different viewpoints even if they dont coincide with mine.
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Macs are for iPhags!!

Suck it Boyd Laughing

btw: did your shiny new MacBook come with a fancy fanny pack? Woohoo

Mac vs PC is no different than Cole vs Pepsi and it is fun riling up either side.
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Damn i didnt read the whole thread before my above post LMAO!!

I know Boyd knows im playing with him, now the rest of you dont get all butthurt Cool
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mxjordy127 wrote:
Well my current macbook that i have had for two years now has never crashed or froze. And this is mac vs. windows
Mine is 5 years old and still runs like it's new.
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mxjordy127 wrote:
Well my current macbook that i have had for two years now has never crashed or froze. And this is mac vs. windows
Jefro98 wrote:
Mine is 5 years old and still runs like it's new.
Well I've had my custom built PC (with windows 7) for 3 years and it's never crashed or froze either.

People are so ridiculous about this shit, they are both good OS's, use the one you prefer and move on. No need to shout to the world about how amazing your particular choice in OS is.
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nwrider82 wrote:
Well I've had my custom built PC (with windows 7) for 3 years and it's never crashed or froze either. People are so ridiculous about this...
Well I've had my custom built PC (with windows 7) for 3 years and it's never crashed or froze either.

People are so ridiculous about this shit, they are both good OS's, use the one you prefer and move on. No need to shout to the world about how amazing your particular choice in OS is.
Congrats on your PC then but I had no intention to talk shit about PC or Microsoft.

I really don't care what everybody is using and also think the PC vs Mac discussion is retarded but fun to read at times.
Just use what works best for you.
I just stated that I'm really impressed about my macbook still working like new after 5 years.
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Not worth the extra money for what the performance difference is to me.
For some uses yes but I don't have that need.

As everything becomes cloud based the machine matters less and less.

I do laugh when people that do nothing but FB and e-mail proclaim how much better their Mac is than my Win 7 laptop.
Yes....money well spent to be sure.......lol.
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I have a 5 year old win lappy. Never crashes. I have surfed plenty of porn too. Hell it's a vista machine and works fine for the 300.00 I spent. Now if I was a graphics guy I might have a Mac. That's the only thing I have seen They do better. Definetly a coke / meth type of argument.
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4/18/2012 7:30am Edited Date/Time 4/18/2012 7:38am
People who claim that Mac is no better than Windows has never spent some time using a Mac.

The hardware and software work in beautiful synchronicity. Smile

In all seriousness though I think why so many Apple people shout out loud about how great it is because after using Windows for so long and you jump to Mac you realize just how great the experience is. Most of it in the form of the hardware(such as design and trackpad). Also, the OS is very nice and fluid and the hardware and os work very well together.

It really is like a 4stroke vs 2stroke thread. You can also say Mac is like the Arai or Shoei of Helmets and Windows is your $100 helmet. haha
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ocscottie wrote:
Macs are for iPhags!! Suck it Boyd :laugh: btw: did your shiny new MacBook come with a fancy fanny pack? :woohoo: Mac vs PC is no...
Macs are for iPhags!!

Suck it Boyd Laughing

btw: did your shiny new MacBook come with a fancy fanny pack? Woohoo

Mac vs PC is no different than Cole vs Pepsi and it is fun riling up either side.
What's "cole"?
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People who claim that Mac is no better than Windows has never spent some time using a Mac. The hardware and software work in beautiful synchronicity...
People who claim that Mac is no better than Windows has never spent some time using a Mac.

The hardware and software work in beautiful synchronicity. Smile

In all seriousness though I think why so many Apple people shout out loud about how great it is because after using Windows for so long and you jump to Mac you realize just how great the experience is. Most of it in the form of the hardware(such as design and trackpad). Also, the OS is very nice and fluid and the hardware and os work very well together.

It really is like a 4stroke vs 2stroke thread. You can also say Mac is like the Arai or Shoei of Helmets and Windows is your $100 helmet. haha
Are boobs bigger on a Mac? If not then its not better.
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People who claim that Mac is no better than Windows has never spent some time using a Mac. The hardware and software work in beautiful synchronicity...
People who claim that Mac is no better than Windows has never spent some time using a Mac.

The hardware and software work in beautiful synchronicity. Smile

In all seriousness though I think why so many Apple people shout out loud about how great it is because after using Windows for so long and you jump to Mac you realize just how great the experience is. Most of it in the form of the hardware(such as design and trackpad). Also, the OS is very nice and fluid and the hardware and os work very well together.

It really is like a 4stroke vs 2stroke thread. You can also say Mac is like the Arai or Shoei of Helmets and Windows is your $100 helmet. haha
Cygnus wrote:
Are boobs bigger on a Mac? If not then its not better.
You got me there. Smile
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People who claim that Mac is no better than Windows has never spent some time using a Mac. The hardware and software work in beautiful synchronicity...
People who claim that Mac is no better than Windows has never spent some time using a Mac.

The hardware and software work in beautiful synchronicity. Smile

In all seriousness though I think why so many Apple people shout out loud about how great it is because after using Windows for so long and you jump to Mac you realize just how great the experience is. Most of it in the form of the hardware(such as design and trackpad). Also, the OS is very nice and fluid and the hardware and os work very well together.

It really is like a 4stroke vs 2stroke thread. You can also say Mac is like the Arai or Shoei of Helmets and Windows is your $100 helmet. haha
Cygnus wrote:
Are boobs bigger on a Mac? If not then its not better.
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You got me there. Smile
LMAO.....and that ends the thread.
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I'm going to take the Lenova back and get an ultrabook-the Asus Zenbook. I think I'll be happier with that.
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Macs are for iPhags!! Suck it Boyd :laugh: btw: did your shiny new MacBook come with a fancy fanny pack? :woohoo: Mac vs PC is no...
Macs are for iPhags!!

Suck it Boyd Laughing

btw: did your shiny new MacBook come with a fancy fanny pack? Woohoo

Mac vs PC is no different than Cole vs Pepsi and it is fun riling up either side.
huck wrote:
What's "cole"?
HAR! Damn i did not even see that one, good eye Huck-a-Fuck Cool
4/19/2012 7:57am
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I purchased a nice Lenova 15.6", intel i5, 6gb of ram, 750gb hard rive laptop because I needed one for work to run a specific software...
I purchased a nice Lenova 15.6", intel i5, 6gb of ram, 750gb hard rive laptop because I needed one for work to run a specific software.
I have a 13" Macbook Air at home.

It's just amazing how much better the Macbook Air is.

Here's a few key things.

Monitor:
The monitor on the Lenova is 15.6" and the Macbook 13" but they make stupid PC laptops so wide now that the up and down space is almost the same on both laptops. Obviously the Lenova is much wider. Kudos to Apple for realizing we don't need a widescreen monitor. It makes for crappy web browsing.

The monitor is far superior on the Macbook Air. It's brighter and crisper.

Keyboard
The keyboard is hard to type on the Lenova. It's kinda crunched together-mostly because of the number keypad on the right. They needed to use that space for the freaking unnecessary widescreen monitor. I keep hitting the number lock key instead of backspace.

The mouse trackpad
This is probably the biggest advantage Apple has over the PC Laptop. You can accomplish so much on the Apple trackpad it's just amazing. The Lenova has 2 finger scrolling but it's not fluid. You have to wait until the webpage loads completely to start using it. You can't double tap with two fingers to bring up a right click type option. It's also too far on the left side of the laptop even though it's centered with the keyboard itself. Makes it awkward to use. There's also no real multi-touch gestures even though they try.

The operating sytem
The Mac operating system is so much more fluid and powerful. When you go to Windows you realize how much a pain in the ass it really is to do what you want. Just the little things.

The Lenova PC laptop has 3 times the specs of my Macbook Air and runs 3 times poorly. It's just the nature of the Windows architecture.

I'm not hugely disappointed but I've been messing around with it all night and it is so much more difficult to get done what you need to on the PC compared to the Mac. Plus it's heavy as shit.

I am really surprised that people still use Windows as much as they do.

Just wanted to share. Smile
e-socrates wrote:
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple...
I love to call bullshit on Mac guys (because they are full of shit, mostly)...so here goes...why is the OS so MUCH better on the Apple? Be specific (coming from a Linux guy)?

Explain in detail what the "Windows Architecture" lacks that the OSX makes up for?
Nielsen277 wrote:
LOL what a doushe.
Still waiting for some Mac guys to actually support their rhetoric.
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I'm going to take the Lenova back and get an ultrabook-the Asus Zenbook. I think I'll be happier with that.
Serious question; why not get a macbook pro when the new ones come out in another month and run vm ware fusion with windows when you need it? I had this dilemma about 2 months ago and went with an Imac bc I needed a desktop. As far as I can tell VM Ware makes everything work just like a pc. I had no trouble hooking up to my companies domain, or Remote Desktopping in my server via the DMS software we use at work.

VM Ware is awesome to use as well. You just spread everything like you would normally between programs on a mac and select VM Ware and you're instantly in windows... I wish I had done this setup 3 years ago......


The only draw back is you gotta have a decent machine to run it. VM Ware will require at least 1 core and a min. of 512 ram for XP. I set mine to 2 GB bc my imac has 16gb now.


1 core and 2 gb of ram is more than enough for the little time I use windows..
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I thought about it. The reviews I read on the ultra books is the touch pads are horrendous. If I was going to do that though I would just use my Macbook Air and save the company some money. Problem is I don't know if I want to load up my air with Windows because space is limited on it anyway with just 128gb flash storage.

I probably wouldn't get a Macbook Pro but rather another Macbok air. I am hoping they come out with a retina display on them. I prefer the light weight and the speedy flash storage. Plus it doesn't run hot on the bottom like the Macbook Pro's.

I heard Parallels works great as well for running Windows on a Mac without the need for a reboot.

I still am not sure what to do to be honest.
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Hey Boyd, i have a serious MAC question for ya, as far as the desktops. Can you purchase parts and do your own custom builds?

That is one of my fav things about computers, it is akin to working on your MX bike and tricking it out with killer parts Cool Hell i have even made parts lists for people and they order them, and once they get everything ill guide them through the build process over the phone lol One time i did it with a kid who was only like 13yrs old!

Shitty pic (from phone), but here is my box:

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I tried both and like vm ware better. They both have a 30 day trial. Try them both if you have an extra copy of windows floating around. I have a MacBook air and honestly I don't think mine would give me the performance I needed. I have the current 11" model. If you run windows all the time the required resources would be to much for the air in my opinion.

That was the reason I told you to wait for the refresh. ;-)
All the rumors are leading toward of course the new processors plus retina style screens and more MacBook air slimness or at least a more powerful 15" Mac air.


Have you saw a 11" Mac air being displayed on the new iPad screen? The resolution is so good it only takes a 1/4 of the iPad to display the whole screen of the air. It is crazy!
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4/19/2012 7:10pm Edited Date/Time 4/19/2012 9:36pm
btw: not to interrupt all the mac talk, but if anyone ever needs to validate a Win7 install to make it "Genuine", i got an easy work around, in other words, dont waste your hard earned $$$ just to "try it out" Whistling

*Disclaimer* the above statement is simply for testing purposes, if you then decide it is the right o/s for you, you can then go purchase a copy Wink

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