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11/14/2017 9:19 AM

If they would only go public and let me give them some of my money!

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11/14/2017 9:27 AM

it was cool till I saw that gas monkey garage sticker on the one momo......kidding

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11/14/2017 11:41 AM

....This is Ground Control to Major Tom....

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There's something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear.

11/14/2017 7:54 PM

Later Void, see you in the Springs next year

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11/14/2017 10:17 PM

I just started working for tesla and am a huge fan of what Elon has done. Hoping I can learn more about SpaceX as well. The things they’re doing are unbelievable. Elon’s biography goes a lot into SpaceX as well. Things you’d never think or expect to hear about.

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11/15/2017 4:00 AM

I had a woman approach me via linked in about a die makers position at tesla . It was horrible pay and benefits and I would only have to move all the way across the country .

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11/15/2017 6:19 AM

I do have some money in Tesla already, I should buy some more now that it's down a bit. SpaceX was supposed to launch tonight but it got moved back to tomorrow night:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/15/spacex-secret-mission-zuma/

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11/15/2017 7:08 AM

How exactly does government subsides work? I read he has certain goals to meet in a predetermined deadline in order to keep the money coming in . So subsides don't have to be paid back as long as the business upholds their original set goals ?

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11/15/2017 8:27 AM

Which money coming in are you referring to?

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11/15/2017 8:39 AM

XXVoid MainXX wrote:

Which money coming in are you referring to?

I might not be understanding it correctly, I was under the impression that the companies were largely funded by government subsides . I figured it was a win win ,the government gets alternative energy research done by an outside contractor and the business ,space x,tesla or solar city gets jobs to stay in business. I can see tesla selling cars to make money and solar city selling solar panels to make money ,I would imagine the customer base for space travel is rather limited right now and just assumed it was government contracts keeping them funded. I would think space x would cost a large sum of money to keep going and I don't see anybody shelling out that much from their own pocket to keep it in business. Without the government's Interest ,would space x really be able to survive?

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11/15/2017 9:26 AM

Yeah, I don't think what you're describing is accurate for either Tesla or for SpaceX. Certainly not the whole picture. For example, Tesla doesn't receive any government money, however there are "some" subsidies for the consumer in the form of tax credits, but that's for electric vehicles in general no matter what company the car comes from. However, I think the cap is on the first 200,000 vehicles sold by that company which Tesla is coming up on. So Tesla customers will no longer be getting any tax breaks here shortly, unless they live in California. I think California is continuing with thier own tax breaks.

The only government money that SpaceX gets that I know of is for the launches they purchase to take stuff to ISS etc, but that's certainly not a subsidy. It's the same payment any other company pays them to send up their satellites. The government is just a customer in that case. Now I DO believe they are getting some money (which I think would be considered a subsidy) to help develop a new engine they are working on. But compared to what some of the other rocket companies get it's minuscule.

That's "my" understanding of it all, but I am certainly no expert on it either. I have just read as much as I can related to both companies over the last year or so.

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11/15/2017 9:27 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/15/2017 9:31 AM

Also, Musk himself is very much in favor of doing away with all government subsidies in general. What he wants to see is a "carbon tax". The government subsidies for fossil fuels are sky high:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies

A 2016 study estimated that global fossil fuel subsidies were $5.3 trillion in 2015, which represents 6.5% of global GDP.

Just get rid of fossil fuel subsidies and electric cars will sell themselves, and solar/hydro/wind will come on line at a much faster rate.

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11/15/2017 9:31 AM

They certainly arnt going away in near future ,I figured I would try and learn what a company like that is all about . As far as I know ,they are the first "group" to send equipment into space that wasn't a department of a government. Some really big steps in a short amount of time.

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11/15/2017 9:44 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/15/2017 9:49 AM

Well, there are a couple of others in the US. ULA (United Launch Alliance which is a team up of Lockheed and Boing) which was the government's BIG go to company for all their work, and there is also Orbital ATK, and soon there will be a couple more Blue Origin (Jeff Bezos of Amazon) and Branson is starting one up. SpaceX certainly has a lot of firsts though and they are QUICKLY taking over the market because they charge soooo much less than the others. That's good news for the tax payer because NASA and the Air Force both are going to SpaceX more and more because they're much cheaper. In fact I believe the launch tomorrow night is for the Air Force. It appears the Government will also start using used boosters which will save even more money.

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11/15/2017 9:45 AM

You can see how quickly SpaceX is taking over the world in space launches:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_launch_market_competition

Photo

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11/15/2017 9:52 AM

Actually, from the earlier article I linked it's not clear which government agency owns the Satellite SpaceX is launching for them tomorrow night:

It’s not the first time that SpaceX has launched secretive payloads into orbit. After receiving certification in 2015 to launch military satellites, the company has already launched two classified payloads, and is slated to launch even more over the next couple of years. However, all of SpaceX’s missions for the military have known customers, such as the US Air Force. So far, no government office has claimed the satellite going up tomorrow. The National Reconnaissance Office, which usually announces the launches of its spy spacecraft, said that Zuma doesn’t belong to the agency.

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11/15/2017 10:27 AM

The part of the article that I found really interesting was that it HAS to be in orbit by November 30th, makes it that much more intriguing as to what it's for.

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11/15/2017 10:30 AM

Yeah, I'll be watching the launch live as always on their video feed. Here's an interesting Rolling Stone's article that just popped up on Musk:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/elon-musk-inventors-plans-for-outer-space-cars-finding-love-w511747

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11/16/2017 6:40 AM

Interesting article just came out about tonight's secret flight:

https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/11/15/top-secret-zuma-payload-puzzles-satellite-trackers/

And an article just came out where the president of SpaceX does talk about some of the government support they've already received with the development of the new raptor engine, and the dragon cargo ship for deliveries to the ISS, and what they are expecting in the future with the BFR:

http://spacenews.com/spacex-expects-government-support-for-development-of-bfr-launch-system/

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11/16/2017 7:29 AM

Being a space nut myself....very much agreed , that was awesome!

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11/16/2017 7:32 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/16/2017 7:37 AM

XXVoid MainXX wrote:

Yeah, I don't think what you're describing is accurate for either Tesla or for SpaceX. Certainly not the whole picture. For example, Tesla doesn't receive any government money, however there are "some" subsidies for the consumer in the form of tax credits, but that's for electric vehicles in general no matter what company the car comes from. However, I think the cap is on the first 200,000 vehicles sold by that company which Tesla is coming up on. So Tesla customers will no longer be getting any tax breaks here shortly, unless they live in California. I think California is continuing with thier own tax breaks.

The only government money that SpaceX gets that I know of is for the launches they purchase to take stuff to ISS etc, but that's certainly not a subsidy. It's the same payment any other company pays them to send up their satellites. The government is just a customer in that case. Now I DO believe they are getting some money (which I think would be considered a subsidy) to help develop a new engine they are working on. But compared to what some of the other rocket companies get it's minuscule.

That's "my" understanding of it all, but I am certainly no expert on it either. I have just read as much as I can related to both companies over the last year or so.

I agree with Void. It seems Elon hasn’t been given any subsidies and he’s boldly stated it. I would imagine if that wasn’t the case someone would have outed him now. He has as many enemies as fanboys it seems.

This is a really interesting tweet with very good interaction.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/885631423306006528?s=17

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11/16/2017 8:46 AM

Good stuff. smile

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11/16/2017 9:04 AM

Tonight's launch will be live here:

http://www.spacex.com/webcast



They'll be landing the 1st stage booster back near the launch site at Kennedy Space Center. Most of the focus will be on that because they just can't say much about the payload and they'll have to cut the video of the 2nd stage early.
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11/16/2017 12:59 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/16/2017 1:00 PM

Couple of big ticket items for Elon tonight. In addition to the launch he's also having his be electric Semi reveal event tonight. Not sure if there is any place to watch that live:

https://www.wired.com/story/what-we-know-about-the-tesla-truck/

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11/16/2017 3:49 PM

According to this the truck reveal will be streamed live on Tesla's web site at 11pm eastern time:

https://www.vox.com/2017/11/16/16665266/tesla-how-to-watch-semi-truck-elon-musk

Should be a fun night.

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11/16/2017 5:08 PM

The SpaceX launch isn't going tonight. Holding until tomorrow night it appears.

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11/16/2017 5:12 PM

Musk needs to focus and deliver in one segment before getting into another. The Tesla Semi will be able to travel "a few hundred miles" on a charge. I hope that's an understatement, as most semis carry around 300 gal of fuel...and get about 4 mpg. Do the math...it's more than a few hundred miles. Be great for local stuff though, just not OTR. Also I don't think the writers of the article know what a class 8 rig is. I used to work for a company that needed class 8 rigs to haul their loads...on super haulers...110 wheels or more, not 18.

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11/16/2017 5:14 PM

Lastly, Musk should also focus on profitability...the quarterly reports are awful, and wall street eats it up. Eventually Tesla will have to pay the Piper, and it's not gonna be pretty

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11/16/2017 5:44 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/16/2017 5:45 PM

I think they'll get closer to the profitability once the model 3 starts rolling. Yeah, there is a hitch here at the beginning but I'm not worried. I would have no problem investing even more money in them right now (if I had some extra burning a hole in my pocket). Regarding the truck, yeah it seems to me it certainly wouldn't be suited for long haul at least at this stage, but that doesn't mean it can't be a viable short haul truck. Be interesting to see what comes out tonight. I have a buddy who drives those trucks with those massive loads (he's hauled several loads over a million pounds).

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11/16/2017 8:03 PM

Truck reveal starting now:

https://livestream.tesla.com/

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