Lithium Ion tools

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we got a Milwaukee 12V drill the other day. It's the shizzle. Expensive, but so much better than NiCad.
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now you can drill some holes in your head
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Smile

you think that would help?
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This works better than the Li-Ion



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txmxer wrote:
we got a Milwaukee 12V drill the other day. It's the shizzle. Expensive, but so much better than NiCad.
Which one did you get? Combo kit with an impact-driver?

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10/19/2009 9:48am
just the drill...this time. Future tools will be part of the set.

Can't see your pics FCR.
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Sign in a hardware store "Some of us can remember when all tools were cordless"
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What is the performance difference between the two?
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Sign in a hardware store "Some of us can remember when all tools were cordless"
Yep.
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from- http://forum.drc.su/cordless-power-tool-batteries-nicd-vs-nimh-vs-liion…

basiclly lithium Ion= lighter, stronger, fast charging and low dis-charge rate.
cant eat them, not good for cutting holes in ice and may explode and kill you.


Here are the pros and cons of different battery technologies:

NiCd

Pros:
+ charging with very high currents does little or no damage to the battery allowing very fast charging (15 minutes)
+ can provide very high currents, suitable for high-drain application such as power tools
+ work well in cold weather
+ have long shelf life
+ can withstand 400-1000 cycles with minimum capacity loss
+ relatively safe
+ can be stored discharged

Cons:
- has high self-discharge rate (20% or higher per month) 15-20% the first 24 hours, 7-10% the next day
- has low power-to-weight ratio compared to NiMH or LiIon
- very toxic inside and has to be recycled
- can develop internal shorts (dendrites) over time

NiMH

Pros:
+ high energy density compared to NiCD, up to 3600 mAh per cell compared to 2400 in NiCd
+ cheaper than Li-Ion
+ high shelf life
+ can withstand 500 cycles with minimum capacity loss

Cons:
- has high self-discharge rate (30% or higher per month)
- cannot provide as much current as NiCd
- cannot be charged fast without shortening cell life
- freeze at 4 degrees C and must be warmed up to activate catalyst
- must be stored charged
- half the charge/discharge cycles compared to NiCd

Standard Li-Ion

Pros:
+ low self-discharge rate (5% per month)
+ very high energy density (25-33% higher than A123 Systems LiFePO4 Li-Ion aka DeWalt NANO)
+ can be charged fast without damaging the cells
+ can withstand ~1000 cycles with minimum capacity loss

Cons:
- unsafe: can burst into flames and/or explode if shorted or damaged.
- a little expensive compared to NiCd or NiMH
- perform poorly in low temperatures (below 0 C / 32 F)
- toxic and must be recycled
- cannot provide as much current as NiCd
- lower number of cycles compared to A123 Systems LiFePO4 Li-Ion aka DeWalt NANO



A123 Systems LiFePO4 Li-Ion aka DeWalt NANO

Pros:
+ very safe compared to traditional Li-Ion batteries
+ low self-discharge rate (5% per month)
+ high energy density (lower than standard Li-Ion but it's a price of safety and high discharge current)
+ can be charged fast without damaging the cells
+ can withstand up to 2000 cycles with minimum capacity loss
+ perform fairly well in cold weather

Cons:
- very expensive compared to NiCd, NiMH or Li-Ion - up to $16 per cell.
- toxic and must be recycled
- lower energy density compared to traditional Li-Ion.
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So there's no actual performance difference in the tool other than it maybe holding a charge longer?
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txmxer wrote:
Smile

you think that would help?
A SAWSALL to connect the dots
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Nerd wrote:
So there's no actual performance difference in the tool other than it maybe holding a charge longer?
there is a difference. I need to check the specs on it, but the performance is better.

The battery is slightly larger than a D-cell, yet, lasts longer and performs better. This compares to the other batteries that are usually 4 to 5x the size.

Also, it's a professional quality tool, so that makes it really nice as well.

We needed it for an install, didn't have time to do a lot of shopping. Turned out to be magic.

I just posted this because there was a thread on these Li-I tools last week and thought I'd share our experience.
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Nerd wrote:
So there's no actual performance difference in the tool other than it maybe holding a charge longer?
txmxer wrote:
there is a difference. I need to check the specs on it, but the performance is better. The battery is slightly larger than a D-cell, yet...
there is a difference. I need to check the specs on it, but the performance is better.

The battery is slightly larger than a D-cell, yet, lasts longer and performs better. This compares to the other batteries that are usually 4 to 5x the size.

Also, it's a professional quality tool, so that makes it really nice as well.

We needed it for an install, didn't have time to do a lot of shopping. Turned out to be magic.

I just posted this because there was a thread on these Li-I tools last week and thought I'd share our experience.
I want to know the performance difference. The size and weight of the NiCd battery on my Milwaukee actually just works like a perfect balance for the tool.
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Yeah, I know, but I was impressed by the balance of this tool. It's performance is similar to the older NiCad, but weighs about half as much.

Looked at the Milwaukee website and the 12 V LiI compares pretty well to the 14.4 volt older style.

It's not for everyone, but if you are looking at professional grade work where time is money, I think they are great tools.

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