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Edited Date/Time 1/16/2013 2:39am
http://crooksandliars.com/nonny-mouse/greatest-nation-earth-isnt-us

put that in your AR15 and smoke it

but seriously, like most of these list's, he points at the facts he wants to, some interesting responses to it tho in the comments, leaving the infant mortailty rate and the expanding gap between rich and poor is a bit miss leading,
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1/14/2013 12:33pm
and he fails to mention the 50,000 people plus leaving a year to go to australia for more work and better wages
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1/14/2013 1:54pm
Awsome! You and the Aussies get more people and we don't. Works for me. Nice to be on top, huh.
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1/14/2013 5:36pm
mtnr wrote:
Awsome! You and the Aussies get more people and we don't. Works for me. Nice to be on top, huh.
Break some news to you...... legal immigration is essential to healthy country.

Example: The era of WWII had two important segments entering the work force: women and immigrants. There will not be an increase with women entering work force.

Need folks to fill cheap labor, and heavy quant fields.

Congrtas to New Zealand. I find this report sad.... however, this started long before Obama. WBush helped by destroying liberty.
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1/14/2013 7:08pm Edited Date/Time 1/14/2013 7:25pm
mtnr wrote:
Awsome! You and the Aussies get more people and we don't. Works for me. Nice to be on top, huh.
bd wrote:
Break some news to you...... legal immigration is essential to healthy country. Example: The era of WWII had two important segments entering the work force: women...
Break some news to you...... legal immigration is essential to healthy country.

Example: The era of WWII had two important segments entering the work force: women and immigrants. There will not be an increase with women entering work force.

Need folks to fill cheap labor, and heavy quant fields.

Congrtas to New Zealand. I find this report sad.... however, this started long before Obama. WBush helped by destroying liberty.
I wasn't refering to legal or illegal immigration, but quantity of population and quality of life in general. Just an observation. I was being sarcastic as well in my post, but didn't use the emoticon. I find the report depressing as well.

It's not sustainable as far as quality of life goes to continue to increase population in many parts of the US as well AUS or NZ. Quantity goes up quality goes down. I would prefer an economy based on refinement as opposed to growth. Our countries health has gone down over the last 50 years using growth as the model. For instance NZ can't grow past a certain point as a lack of land prevents this. They will go the route of refinement over growth as a model and I would bet improve their quality of life even further as a result over the next century.

India and China are great examples of non sustainable growth. Quality of life their reflects this. We can learn from that or not.

All the best to both AUS and NZ. Australia has the land, but lacks fresh water. Good luck on growth and quality of life in my opinion there. Lots of aussies see that already.

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1/14/2013 8:22pm
scott_nz wrote:
and he fails to mention the 50,000 people plus leaving a year to go to australia for more work and better wages
NZ looks like a good place to go once you've made your money or you're not the kind of person who is all about chasing the benjamins

it looks like a beautiful country but the brain drain problem is pretty serious, especially in these times since we live in an increasingly information/knowledge based economy.

America, fuck yeah.
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1/15/2013 12:03am
I agree with you somewhat on the smaller population causing some issues with making money in niche fields,

but with the world now smaller than ever with instant internet access, some jobs are now closer, but in saying that, many poeple in Asia will do the same job much cheaper,
1/15/2013 2:49am
mtnr wrote:
Awsome! You and the Aussies get more people and we don't. Works for me. Nice to be on top, huh.
bd wrote:
Break some news to you...... legal immigration is essential to healthy country. Example: The era of WWII had two important segments entering the work force: women...
Break some news to you...... legal immigration is essential to healthy country.

Example: The era of WWII had two important segments entering the work force: women and immigrants. There will not be an increase with women entering work force.

Need folks to fill cheap labor, and heavy quant fields.

Congrtas to New Zealand. I find this report sad.... however, this started long before Obama. WBush helped by destroying liberty.
Need folks to fill cheap labor

The problem is that it just isn't true these days. It's a myth continually pumped out by the mainstream media.

Of course it suits business owners to have 30-40 people (sometimes a lot more) all going after the same job because then they can drive down wages, treat you like crap etc. All in all lower the standard of living for everyone. I agree immigration should take place when it's in the interest of the majority. But countries like America, Britain etc; anyone who has massive unemployment problems, should be protecting and creating jobs for its own citizens first. NOT importing more unskilled labour under the made up BS guise that we somehow all benefit. And where skilled labour is concerned I see nothing wrong with training our own.
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1/15/2013 3:18am
mtnr wrote:
Awsome! You and the Aussies get more people and we don't. Works for me. Nice to be on top, huh.
bd wrote:
Break some news to you...... legal immigration is essential to healthy country. Example: The era of WWII had two important segments entering the work force: women...
Break some news to you...... legal immigration is essential to healthy country.

Example: The era of WWII had two important segments entering the work force: women and immigrants. There will not be an increase with women entering work force.

Need folks to fill cheap labor, and heavy quant fields.

Congrtas to New Zealand. I find this report sad.... however, this started long before Obama. WBush helped by destroying liberty.
[i]Need folks to fill cheap labor[/i] The problem is that it just isn't true these days. It's a myth continually pumped out by the mainstream media...
Need folks to fill cheap labor

The problem is that it just isn't true these days. It's a myth continually pumped out by the mainstream media.

Of course it suits business owners to have 30-40 people (sometimes a lot more) all going after the same job because then they can drive down wages, treat you like crap etc. All in all lower the standard of living for everyone. I agree immigration should take place when it's in the interest of the majority. But countries like America, Britain etc; anyone who has massive unemployment problems, should be protecting and creating jobs for its own citizens first. NOT importing more unskilled labour under the made up BS guise that we somehow all benefit. And where skilled labour is concerned I see nothing wrong with training our own.
100% right.
1/15/2013 4:29pm Edited Date/Time 1/15/2013 4:30pm
Beautiful place,some freinds go to visit relatives every few years and really would love to move over and from what I've seen I can't blame them,I think I know where I'd rather be
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1/15/2013 5:23pm
Beautiful place,some freinds go to visit relatives every few years and really would love to move over and from what I've seen I can't blame them,I...
Beautiful place,some freinds go to visit relatives every few years and really would love to move over and from what I've seen I can't blame them,I think I know where I'd rather be
when i was living in london last year that was the most comman question i had from the english people i delt with, "what the fuck are you doing here?"
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1/15/2013 11:59pm
scott_nz wrote:
when i was living in london last year that was the most comman question i had from the english people i delt with, "what the fuck...
when i was living in london last year that was the most comman question i had from the english people i delt with, "what the fuck are you doing here?"
That's the same that I get constantly living in the UK currently. My reply: "If I could do what I do here and get paid as well for it I wouldn't be here". Also the biggest disadvantage for a young person in NZ, you're too far away from the rest of the world, the ease of jumping over to Europe for anything can overcome a lot of negatives.

The great thing about riding is you get to go to a lot of places that you normally wouldn't, I've been on some fantastic drives and seen fantastic countryside on my way to races, and now that I'm finding more and more good tracks around where I am hopefully I get to explore a bit more of the supposed beauty of the UK. Well, once I can get over the extreme and prohibitive car insurance prices here...

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