Krugman on deficit spending

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Till Debt Does Its Part

By Paul Krugman
Published: August 27, 2009

So new budget projections show a cumulative deficit of $9 trillion over the next decade. According to many commentators, that’s a terrifying number, requiring drastic action — in particular, of course, canceling efforts to boost the economy and calling off health care reform.

The truth is more complicated and less frightening. Right now deficits are actually helping the economy. In fact, deficits here and in other major economies saved the world from a much deeper slump. The longer-term outlook is worrying, but it’s not catastrophic.

The only real reason for concern is political. The United States can deal with its debts if politicians of both parties are, in the end, willing to show at least a bit of maturity. Need I say more?

Let’s start with the effects of this year’s deficit.

There are two main reasons for the surge in red ink. First, the recession has led both to a sharp drop in tax receipts and to increased spending on unemployment insurance and other safety-net programs. Second, there have been large outlays on financial rescues. These are counted as part of the deficit, although the government is acquiring assets in the process and will eventually get at least part of its money back.

What this tells us is that right now it’s good to run a deficit. Consider what would have happened if the U.S. government and its counterparts around the world had tried to balance their budgets as they did in the early 1930s. It’s a scary thought. If governments had raised taxes or slashed spending in the face of the slump, if they had refused to rescue distressed financial institutions, we could all too easily have seen a full replay of the Great Depression.

As I said, deficits saved the world.


In fact, we would be better off if governments were willing to run even larger deficits over the next year or two. The official White House forecast shows a nation stuck in purgatory for a prolonged period, with high unemployment persisting for years. If that’s at all correct — and I fear that it will be — we should be doing more, not less, to support the economy.

But what about all that debt we’re incurring? That’s a bad thing, but it’s important to have some perspective. Economists normally assess the sustainability of debt by looking at the ratio of debt to G.D.P. And while $9 trillion is a huge sum, we also have a huge economy, which means that things aren’t as scary as you might think.

Here’s one way to look at it: We’re looking at a rise in the debt/G.D.P. ratio of about 40 percentage points. The real interest on that additional debt (you want to subtract off inflation) will probably be around 1 percent of G.D.P., or 5 percent of federal revenue. That doesn’t sound like an overwhelming burden.

Now, this assumes that the U.S. government’s credit will remain good so that it’s able to borrow at relatively low interest rates. So far, that’s still true. Despite the prospect of big deficits, the government is able to borrow money long term at an interest rate of less than 3.5 percent, which is low by historical standards. People making bets with real money don’t seem to be worried about U.S. solvency.

The numbers tell you why. According to the White House projections, by 2019, net federal debt will be around 70 percent of G.D.P. That’s not good, but it’s within a range that has historically proved manageable for advanced countries, even those with relatively weak governments. In the early 1990s, Belgium — which is deeply divided along linguistic lines — had a net debt of 118 percent of G.D.P., while Italy — which is, well, Italy — had a net debt of 114 percent of G.D.P. Neither faced a financial crisis.


So is there anything to worry about? Yes, but the dangers are political, not economic.

As I’ve said, those 10-year projections aren’t as bad as you may have heard. Over the really long term, however, the U.S. government will have big problems unless it makes some major changes. In particular, it has to rein in the growth of Medicare and Medicaid spending.

That shouldn’t be hard in the context of overall health care reform. After all, America spends far more on health care than other advanced countries, without better results, so we should be able to make our system more cost-efficient.

But that won’t happen, of course, if even the most modest attempts to improve the system are successfully demagogued — by conservatives! — as efforts to “pull the plug on grandma.”

So don’t fret about this year’s deficit; we actually need to run up federal debt right now and need to keep doing it until the economy is on a solid path to recovery. And the extra debt should be manageable. If we face a potential problem, it’s not because the economy can’t handle the extra debt. Instead, it’s the politics, stupid.
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Commie pinko liberal socialist

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flarider wrote:
Commie pinko liberal socialist

You mean Nobel-prize winning Commie pinko liberal socialist economist, don't you?
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People don't relate health care reform to deficit reduction, but it is. Our base budget deficit isn't what's going to bankrupt us, Medicare and Social Security will. Those funds have been raided for 25 years +, so the long-term liabilities represented by those programs are unsupportable starting in about 10 years. That's the real danger. Left to run as-is, those programs will require huge tax increases to keep them funded.

We have to reduce total health care costs, and thus Medicare, in our country, and we have to figure out what we're going to do about Social Security. My personal opinion is we should raise the age at which SS benefits can be withdrawn by 2 years. People live longer and stay in better shape these days, and we should be able to work another couple of years without any big problem, and my generation (I'm 54) is largely the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush generation and thus is the generation that has benefitted from those fund raids. We owe it to the next generation to fix these problems.
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WhKnuckle wrote:
People don't relate health care reform to deficit reduction, but it is. Our base budget deficit isn't what's going to bankrupt us, Medicare and Social Security...
People don't relate health care reform to deficit reduction, but it is. Our base budget deficit isn't what's going to bankrupt us, Medicare and Social Security will. Those funds have been raided for 25 years +, so the long-term liabilities represented by those programs are unsupportable starting in about 10 years. That's the real danger. Left to run as-is, those programs will require huge tax increases to keep them funded.

We have to reduce total health care costs, and thus Medicare, in our country, and we have to figure out what we're going to do about Social Security. My personal opinion is we should raise the age at which SS benefits can be withdrawn by 2 years. People live longer and stay in better shape these days, and we should be able to work another couple of years without any big problem, and my generation (I'm 54) is largely the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush generation and thus is the generation that has benefitted from those fund raids. We owe it to the next generation to fix these problems.
So you want people to just work another 2 years huh?

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So enormous deficit spending is good now?
It's a positive to run up a $9T debt in the next decade?

Got it.

Cool.
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ProMed wrote:
So you want people to just work another 2 years huh?
As opposed to your idea, which is...nothing, yeah. Oh, I forgot, your people DID have an idea, we'll invest trillions of Social Security dollars in the stock market 18 months before it dropped 65%. Yeah, that would have worked out well.
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ProMed wrote:
So you want people to just work another 2 years huh?
WhKnuckle wrote:
As opposed to your idea, which is...nothing, yeah. Oh, I forgot, your people DID have an idea, we'll invest trillions of Social Security dollars in the...
As opposed to your idea, which is...nothing, yeah. Oh, I forgot, your people DID have an idea, we'll invest trillions of Social Security dollars in the stock market 18 months before it dropped 65%. Yeah, that would have worked out well.
ZING!!!
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pelted wrote:
So enormous deficit spending is good now?
It's a positive to run up a $9T debt in the next decade?

Got it.

Cool.
Was it OK when Reagan did it? HW Bush? W Bush? Oh, those cases were OK. Now it's bad. Go check out the national debt chart and get back to me when you can explain that.

Deficit spending to keep the nation running and stimulate the economy is a lot different from deficit spending in a growing economy. Explain why it was OK to run up our national debt by 5.5 trillion dollars under Bush and then we'll tackle what is being done now.
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ProMed wrote:
So you want people to just work another 2 years huh?
WhKnuckle wrote:
As opposed to your idea, which is...nothing, yeah. Oh, I forgot, your people DID have an idea, we'll invest trillions of Social Security dollars in the...
As opposed to your idea, which is...nothing, yeah. Oh, I forgot, your people DID have an idea, we'll invest trillions of Social Security dollars in the stock market 18 months before it dropped 65%. Yeah, that would have worked out well.
My people huh...the independent voters? Lmao, you really are wrapped around this us vs. them thing aren't you?
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WhKnuckle wrote:
Was it OK when Reagan did it? HW Bush? W Bush? Oh, those cases were OK. Now it's bad. Go check out the national debt chart...
Was it OK when Reagan did it? HW Bush? W Bush? Oh, those cases were OK. Now it's bad. Go check out the national debt chart and get back to me when you can explain that.

Deficit spending to keep the nation running and stimulate the economy is a lot different from deficit spending in a growing economy. Explain why it was OK to run up our national debt by 5.5 trillion dollars under Bush and then we'll tackle what is being done now.
So it was good then and bad now?

But I thought the Noble laureate guy said it was good now?

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pelted wrote:
So it was good then and bad now?

But I thought the Noble laureate guy said it was good now?

It is required now. It was required when Reagan did it during the last big recession.

In the past when the economy was better, was the time to exercise fiscal restraint and pay down the debt. Look at how Clinton managed the debt through his second term. That's how Bush Sr. should have managed the economy through his presidency, and how his son should have handled his late first term early second. Just think where you'd be if H had two years of a balanced budget and W had managed to balance it for 2-4 years out of his 8.

Then add in if anybody had the balls to give the SEC some teeth and go after the criminals on wall st. and you'd be sitting pretty right now.
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pelted wrote:
So it was good then and bad now?

But I thought the Noble laureate guy said it was good now?

Rooster wrote:
It is required now. It was required when Reagan did it during the last big recession. In the past when the economy was better, was the...
It is required now. It was required when Reagan did it during the last big recession.

In the past when the economy was better, was the time to exercise fiscal restraint and pay down the debt. Look at how Clinton managed the debt through his second term. That's how Bush Sr. should have managed the economy through his presidency, and how his son should have handled his late first term early second. Just think where you'd be if H had two years of a balanced budget and W had managed to balance it for 2-4 years out of his 8.

Then add in if anybody had the balls to give the SEC some teeth and go after the criminals on wall st. and you'd be sitting pretty right now.
WINNER!!

There's a time and place for everything, even things that aren't comfortable to do.
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The Austrian school of economics respectfully disagrees. Krugman is an idiot.
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freeh wrote:
The Austrian school of economics respectfully disagrees. Krugman is an idiot.
So how many Nobel prizes in economics do you have, asshole?
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So it's back to being good now but bad then.

Great!

That Noble guy, he must be pretty smart to have figured out all this good versus bad deficit spending business and calculating when it's bad and when it's good.

Now this Krugman guy sez that higher deficits than now are better. Must be, since now is only good.

Enormous deficits rawk!
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freeh wrote:
The Austrian school of economics respectfully disagrees. Krugman is an idiot.
Ron Paul's an idiot.
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freeh wrote:
The Austrian school of economics respectfully disagrees. Krugman is an idiot.
Nerd wrote:
Ron Paul's an idiot.
At least he is not a hypocrite like you.

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