International polytits/issues?

ToolMaker wrote:

Not sure that's an accurate accounting of the jobs #s. I think the majority of the job #s created in the previous 8 years were government...

Not sure that's an accurate accounting of the jobs #s. I think the majority of the job #s created in the previous 8 years were government jobs vs last 10 months majority private sector jobs. So more people paying into the system vs taking from the system.
TM

APLMAN99 wrote:

While that sounds reasonable based on your anecdotal experiences, San Diego County has had a huge decline in unemployment AND a very steady rise in per...

While that sounds reasonable based on your anecdotal experiences, San Diego County has had a huge decline in unemployment AND a very steady rise in per capita income since the economic crisis of 2008-9. If these workers were moving from high paying jobs to lower paying jobs, it would be reflected in a reduced per capita income, of course.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PCPI06073

I don't understand why it's so difficult to alter one's opinion when supplied with vivid, solid evidence to the contrary. It's almost religious-like, in some respects.

ToolMaker wrote:

"I don't understand why it's so difficult to alter one's opinion when supplied with vivid, solid evidence to the contrary. It's almost religious-like, in some respects."...

"I don't understand why it's so difficult to alter one's opinion when supplied with vivid, solid evidence to the contrary. It's almost religious-like, in some respects."

That's the easiest question of the day.
Most people have formed opinions from many experiences, influences, information acquired over
years even decades. Do you really think you would change that in a few interactions?
While the data you present will initiate internal thought that has to be resolved with what one has
believed for a long period of time, what's one's opinion really worth if your willing to bail on it that easily?
Why believe in anything if you're just going to flip with anything presented that may or may not be valid?
The flip side is that through discussion different points of view are considered and while the current
discussion may not notice change, it goes into the memory banks for things that need to be resolved for
all sorts of situations. Do you think someone needs to capitulate to your view to not have learned something?
TM

kkawboy14 wrote:

I’m not responding in this thread to support Trump or anyone else, I’m not emotionally invested in this, I’m just stating reality’s, people and businesses right...

I’m not responding in this thread to support Trump or anyone else, I’m not emotionally invested in this, I’m just stating reality’s, people and businesses right now are blowing up, the government is cutting costs, low paid workers are starting to make more without government telling them to pay more! Just reality! I guess people can argue why this is happening and who deserves the credit.

Motoxdoc wrote:

[b]"I’m just stating reality’s, people and businesses right now are blowing up, the government is cutting costs, low paid workers are starting to make more"[/b] We...

"I’m just stating reality’s, people and businesses right now are blowing up, the government is cutting costs, low paid workers are starting to make more" We need to debate IF things are truly better before we debate who gets the credit for things being better. I'm assuming you posted the above as YOUR reality projected onto the general population, but different people have different realities. Things we actually DO know: the tax plan is good for some now, and bad for others. For some people, the tax plan that is good NOW, will disappear and be bad for those same people in a few years. While you're asking who deserves credit, I'm still wondering how it can possibly help the entire population....not just the rich. I think it's too soon to know the net effect of this bill.

MR. X wrote:

I havent read much of this thread but has anyone ever in the history of nonmoto ever argued with someone til they changed their view point...

I havent read much of this thread but has anyone ever in the history of nonmoto ever argued with someone til they changed their view point?

kkawboy14 wrote:

Appleman, it will be interesting to see if your business is affected by the stuff they are doing with nafta. NAFTA killed the Florida farming industry...

Appleman, it will be interesting to see if your business is affected by the stuff they are doing with nafta. NAFTA killed the Florida farming industry when it first past. What has been the effect so far?

ToolMaker wrote:

Nope not hiding at all, and it's a bit disingenuous to say it's all about a feeling. But whatever floats your boat. What I said was...

Nope not hiding at all, and it's a bit disingenuous to say it's all about a feeling. But whatever floats your boat.
What I said was "experiences, influences, information"
Experiences might be (but not limited to) seeing people actually out of work
Influences might be (but not limited to) interacting with aplman99 and seeing why he thinks one way
Information might be (but not limited to) seeing news papers with headlines that read
"Federal workers hit record number, but growth slows under Obama"
or articles that read,
"Jobs in manufacturing in the United States increased by 17,000 in December—the first post-election month—climbing from 12,258,000 in November to 12,275,000 in December, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Even so, over all of 2016, manufacturing jobs declined by 45,000--dropping from 12,320,000 in December 2015 to 12,275,000 in December 2016.
At the same time, jobs in federal, state and local government increased not only from November to December, but over the course of the entire year.
From November to December, government jobs climbed from from 22,211,000 to 22,223,000, an increase of 12,000.
From December 2015 to December 2016, government jobs climbed from 22,040,000 to 22,223,000--an increase of 183,000."
And before you go there, these are just examples, not the entirety. I know you like to twist things and claim you are logical. The same as you twisted my example of how numbers get manipulated to show the story you want to tell by implying I was defining your business.
But whatever, you seem to think that because you posted a chart the world will tilt. You keep up the good fight.
TM

KMC440 wrote:

Is this thing still like a thing ?