Historic Aircraft from back in the day

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The WPAFB Museum is amazing. From early days to today, including rockets and a collection of presidential aircraft.

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shawski wrote:
Last summer I took the bike out for a spin. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/04/481443/s1200_5C4765D2_ADD0_4745_ABF6_9F211AF8D5B0.jpg[/img]
Last summer I took the bike out for a spin.
Man I miss watching the Tomcat fly. Bummed I never got to go up in one while I was in, but VF154 was always pretty protective of their flight hours.
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G-man
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Cousins daughter got married in Oregon, by sheer luck it was close to the Evergreen Museum where the Spruce Goose now resides. It is so freaking HUGE it boggles the mind.





One of Howard Hughes dreams was to have these small Helicopters in every garage.



I worked at Hughes helicopters in Culver City where the Spruce Goose was built I use to like to talk to some of the old engineers and they would tell me stories of Howard.
He would show up at all hours of the night and walk the mezzanine.
It was a very cool building to work in.






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Stopped and took a pic of this beast on the way home. Impress me by identifying it. If you are an aviation buff you better know...
Stopped and took a pic of this beast on the way home. Impress me by identifying it. If you are an aviation buff you better know it. Bonus points for anyone who can also say what the builder was/is also famous for? Hint: it's moto related, super old OG badass shit.



Curtiss C-46 Commando

History:
Delivered to U.S. Army Air Force as 44-78772.
- BOC: Sept. 26, 1943 at Greenville Field, Mississippi.
- SOC: January 10, 1950.
- Stored, South Plains Field, Lubbock, TX, February 1946.
- Stored Pyote, TX, August 1947.
Flying Tiger Line, April. 26, 1951.
- Acquired for $13,000.
- Registered as N67996.
- Modified for passengers.
Zantrop Air Transport, July 1959-Sept. 1966.
- Registered as N614Z, April 1960.
Universal Airlines (formerly Zantop Air Transport), Sept. 1966-March 1968.
Aviation Association of Georgia, GA, March 1968.
Martin Air Leasing, 196?.
- Acquired for $25,000.
International Aerodyne, 19??.
Trans Artic Air, AK, 19??.
Ilford-Riverton Airways, Canada, Jan. 1971.
- Registered as CF-ZQX.
Fairbanks Air Service (later Great Northern Airlines) , May 1974.
- Registered as N800FA.
- Crashed while attempting to land on frozen lake, ran into shore, near Barrow, AK, May 17, 1975.
-- Suffered major damage, later repaired.
Coffee Point Fish Co, 1978-1984.
Atone Air, El Paso, TX, April 1984.
- Acquired for $65,000.
Unknown owner, Dec. 6, 1987.
Siezed by U.S. Government for gun-smuggling.
U.S. Marshall's Office, Miami, FL, 198?-1988.
- Stored, Homestead Air Force Base, FL.
National Air & Space Museum, Washington D.C., Aigust 31, 1988-2003.
- Loaned to National Warplane Museum, NY, 19??-2001.
- Loaned to Glenn H. Curtiss Museum, Hammondsport, NY , circa 2001-2003.
Total Hours: 30,487 hours over 44 year 11 month career.
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G-man
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3/5/2021 9:09am Edited Date/Time 3/5/2021 8:26pm
This guy goes to the wreckage and memorial site of flight 232 in Sioux City Iowa.

Turns out a fan blade was the root cause of this crash and the Captain did a miraculous job of getting to an airport and there were survivors.

https://youtu.be/yIl-lKy6aV0
Kenny Lingus
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Stopped and took a pic of this beast on the way home. Impress me by identifying it. If you are an aviation buff you better know...
Stopped and took a pic of this beast on the way home. Impress me by identifying it. If you are an aviation buff you better know it. Bonus points for anyone who can also say what the builder was/is also famous for? Hint: it's moto related, super old OG badass shit.



alphado wrote:
Curtiss C-46 Commando History: Delivered to U.S. Army Air Force as 44-78772. - BOC: Sept. 26, 1943 at Greenville Field, Mississippi. - SOC: January 10, 1950...
Curtiss C-46 Commando

History:
Delivered to U.S. Army Air Force as 44-78772.
- BOC: Sept. 26, 1943 at Greenville Field, Mississippi.
- SOC: January 10, 1950.
- Stored, South Plains Field, Lubbock, TX, February 1946.
- Stored Pyote, TX, August 1947.
Flying Tiger Line, April. 26, 1951.
- Acquired for $13,000.
- Registered as N67996.
- Modified for passengers.
Zantrop Air Transport, July 1959-Sept. 1966.
- Registered as N614Z, April 1960.
Universal Airlines (formerly Zantop Air Transport), Sept. 1966-March 1968.
Aviation Association of Georgia, GA, March 1968.
Martin Air Leasing, 196?.
- Acquired for $25,000.
International Aerodyne, 19??.
Trans Artic Air, AK, 19??.
Ilford-Riverton Airways, Canada, Jan. 1971.
- Registered as CF-ZQX.
Fairbanks Air Service (later Great Northern Airlines) , May 1974.
- Registered as N800FA.
- Crashed while attempting to land on frozen lake, ran into shore, near Barrow, AK, May 17, 1975.
-- Suffered major damage, later repaired.
Coffee Point Fish Co, 1978-1984.
Atone Air, El Paso, TX, April 1984.
- Acquired for $65,000.
Unknown owner, Dec. 6, 1987.
Siezed by U.S. Government for gun-smuggling.
U.S. Marshall's Office, Miami, FL, 198?-1988.
- Stored, Homestead Air Force Base, FL.
National Air & Space Museum, Washington D.C., Aigust 31, 1988-2003.
- Loaned to National Warplane Museum, NY, 19??-2001.
- Loaned to Glenn H. Curtiss Museum, Hammondsport, NY , circa 2001-2003.
Total Hours: 30,487 hours over 44 year 11 month career.
I'm impressed. Be honest, did you recognize it or look it up? Glenn Curtiss is an underated American inventor/hero. Wright brothers got the credit but Glenn is the true father of aviation and motorcycles.

In 1907 he set a land speed record of 136.36 at Ormond beach in Florida on a motorcycle he stuck a V-8 aviation motor in. He's the only man to hold the land speed record on a motorcycle. He held the record until a car beat it in 1911. A motorcycle never broke the record until 1930. It's worth doing some research on him if you are into aviation or motorcycle history.


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Awesome thread.

Wife and I visited Pima Air/Space Museum last October.

So many cool birds.





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Kenny Lingus
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Wow! very impressive Kenny Curtis looks to be a very smart fella and crazy like the Michigan madman!!! :woohoo: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/05/481601/s1200_5b57875f9a4ee.image.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/05/481599/s1200_163ababffc19e0d12ea26ce18e10e45a.jpg[/img] https://www.hagerty.com/media/motorcycles/ej-potter-the-michigan-madman/
Wow! very impressive Kenny Curtis looks to be a very smart fella and crazy like the Michigan madman!!! Woohoo






https://www.hagerty.com/media/motorcycles/ej-potter-the-michigan-madman/

I've seen some stuff on that guy. Watching some of his runs smoking the tire the whole way gives me chills.

Regarding Curtiss, if he was as good at propoganda and press like the Wright brothers were, he'd likely be credited with the first flight. Being super local, there's lots of anecdotal stories that he actually flew first, almost in the exact spot that Commando sits today. It was supposed to be a test flight in the fall and then after the winter a flight in front of the press and spectators. Wright brothers got wind of it and beat him to the punch, since they didn't have to deal with winter.

Curtiss actually had what we consider a plane today. He invented modern flight controls. The Wright brothers had a powered warped wing glider that needed assistance to take off and had very little control once in the air. Wright brothers tried to sue him over patents and if it wasn't for Henry Ford backing Curtiss in the lawsuits the world could be a much different place.

Without his planes/engines in WWII things may not have turned out how did. Wright brothers were actually arrogant asses that only wanted to get rich.
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Taken in almost the exact spot I took the Commando pics.


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Yeti831 wrote:
I’ve personally always had a soft spot for flying boats, particularly the Grumman HU16B (long wing variant with increased fuel capacity and higher gross takeoff weight)...
I’ve personally always had a soft spot for flying boats, particularly the Grumman HU16B (long wing variant with increased fuel capacity and higher gross takeoff weight) and the G73T Mallard (turbine converted with 680hp pt6 turboprops).

They’ve always been on my “if I ever win the lottery... “ list.

As my first A&P instructor said, “oh awesome. Then you’d have the amazing experience of maintaining an aircraft, a boat and a house all it one neat package. Nothing like a 1br apartment that drinks fuel @ 200gph.” 😂😂😂 He hates seaplanes and helicopters with an absolute passion.

https://youtu.be/t8VGCsuEtJc
WoW
I just now watched that, really cool!

Can you imagine the maintenance on that plane after a Salt Water landing? Unsure
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I got to fly on W-7 a few years ago. Felt like it was going to fall apart the whole flight. We got to stand right...
I got to fly on W-7 a few years ago. Felt like it was going to fall apart the whole flight. We got to stand right next to an Avril Lancaster bomber as it started it's engines and taxied to the runway. Awesome amount of power!

W7 is truly a WWII veteran. This aircraft originally served with the 12th Air Force in the Mediterranean Theater in 1943 and the 9th Air Force in England 1944-1945 as part of the 316th Troop Carrier Group. It was one of the lead aircraft of the first strike of the D-Day invasion on June 6th, 1944 over Ste. Mere Eglise, Normandy. It transported paratroopers for the 82nd Airborne Division as part of Operation NEPTUNE. Flak was very heavy during these missions but this C-47 managed to survive it all.



We have a flying Lancaster bomber at the warplane museum in the city I live in, it goes over my house every couple of weeks in the summer time. I think there are only 2 operational left in the world, other one in england if I remember correctly. Ours made a flight over the pond a couple of years ago. She sure is loud!
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I had a buddy I used to fly RC airplanes with. He was a 3 war vet. He flew C-47s in WWII and he also flew in Korea and Vietnam (I don't remember what he flew in those). He's long passed away now and was well into his 80s when I flew RC planes with him but he was a great guy and always loved to listen to his stories.
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Raoul Duke wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/05/481671/s1200_85FF992D_38EB_45CB_B8A9_0F414044971C.jpg[/img]
What is that? Looks like a serious hot rod.
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My first post and my daughter is in the Air Force. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/02/25/480410/s1200_IMG_02931.jpg[/img]
My first post and my daughter is in the Air Force.
plowboy wrote:
Flight suit and no silver braid on the cap...is she a boomer? Be proud pops...she's a good 'un.Smile
She is a boomer in the Ohio Air National Guard out of Rickenbacker. She wants to be a pilot and reenlist ad retire from the Air Force. Very proud of her!
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Hman144 wrote:
What is that? Looks like a serious hot rod.
It’s a p-59 airacomet. I think it was considered a turd but was the United States first jet aircraft. I was at March airfield a few years ago and they had that one on display in the hangar along with a blackbird.
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My Uncle worked for Northrop in the 70's-80's-90's and would give me little things he got all the time. This B-2 pin was stowed away on the first flight of the B-2 and the mug is from Operation Desert Storm.



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shawski wrote:
Last summer I took the bike out for a spin. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/04/481443/s1200_5C4765D2_ADD0_4745_ABF6_9F211AF8D5B0.jpg[/img]
Last summer I took the bike out for a spin.
Sully wrote:
Man I miss watching the Tomcat fly. Bummed I never got to go up in one while I was in, but VF154 was always pretty protective...
Man I miss watching the Tomcat fly. Bummed I never got to go up in one while I was in, but VF154 was always pretty protective of their flight hours.
Watching the F-14 ramp through its afterburner zones on the cat at night never got old. Like a fire-breathing beast exhaling with full-force before taking flight. We were typically strapped into our own jets during that sequence but sometimes I would climb up to the flight deck and be rewarded with that awesome display of power.
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Some of the birds I worked on in my Career. After the Air Force, 77-81, Cannon AFB, F-111D models. Yes, we had successful ejections.
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My son has a shirt with an SR-71 blackbird on it, it's his favorite shirt.
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Cancerman wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/04/13/487690/s1200_message_editor_1511807703438_ajj241.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/04/13/487691/s1200_B2B.1.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/04/13/487692/s1200_BSAX_YF23_wash.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/04/13/487693/s1200_HP_Super4_2.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/04/13/487694/s1200_B2Mike.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/04/13/487695/s1200_Northrop_YF_23_Black_Widow_II.jpg[/img] Some of the birds I worked on in my Career. After the Air Force, 77-81, Cannon AFB, F-111D models. Yes...






Some of the birds I worked on in my Career. After the Air Force, 77-81, Cannon AFB, F-111D models. Yes, we had successful ejections.
What's the story behind the YF23 & Tacit Blue photo? I could see them both being on the same runway/taxiway in the desert, but that looks pretty suburban.
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Sully wrote:
What's the story behind the YF23 & Tacit Blue photo? I could see them both being on the same runway/taxiway in the desert, but that looks...
What's the story behind the YF23 & Tacit Blue photo? I could see them both being on the same runway/taxiway in the desert, but that looks pretty suburban.
That YF-23 was parked in the Northrop parking lot in El Segundo for years. I used to drive by it everyday when I worked in El Segundo.
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That YF-23 was parked in the Northrop parking lot in El Segundo for years. I used to drive by it everyday when I worked in El...
That YF-23 was parked in the Northrop parking lot in El Segundo for years. I used to drive by it everyday when I worked in El Segundo.
I think it might still be there. But if you look at the photo cancerman posted, both jets are running, that's what got my attention.
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Who else is guilty for coming onto Vital to see these threads more than the shit on the moto side?
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WoW Awesome pictures! Woohoo

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