Here we go again

Seen the title and the song "Here I go again on my own" came to mind....

Based on what's been reported of the case, if he's found non guilty I wouldn't be surprised if there were riots...........

Not guilty! I'm taking off early today

2smokertillend wrote:

Not guilty! I'm taking off early today

To go protest the apparent state-sanctioned under?

2smokertillend wrote:

Not guilty! I'm taking off early today

APLMAN99 wrote:

To go protest the apparent state-sanctioned under?

No! I would pick me up a six pack and some baby back ribs. And start my weekend off.

2smokertillend wrote:

Not guilty! I'm taking off early today

APLMAN99 wrote:

To go protest the apparent state-sanctioned under?

2smokertillend wrote:

No! I would pick me up a six pack and some baby back ribs. And start my weekend off.

Well, you wouldn't be the first to tacitly approve of those types of murders.........

Although it almost sounds like celebrating them.

Here's the 30 page explanation of the judge's decision

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/7b/57b2d12c-83d8-53a0-ba1f-18b659a7e569/59bbe0a450230.pdf.pdf

APLMAN99 wrote:

To go protest the apparent state-sanctioned under?

2smokertillend wrote:

No! I would pick me up a six pack and some baby back ribs. And start my weekend off.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Well, you wouldn't be the first to tacitly approve of those types of murders.........

Although it almost sounds like celebrating them.

That's not what are how I meant that. I just like beer and ribs. And I'm not on call this weekend and it's going to be hot in STL. And our pool is still open. I came off 3 months of 10 - 20 hour overtime a week.

I also live now in Illinois and work in STL and take a highway the protesters were trying to get to earlier.

grew up in St. Louis and my friends via social media are all staying away. It's going to get ugly.
From what I gathered, the Ferguson deal, Brown got what he had coming.
This situation is more foggy. The only DNA on the gun was from the cop.

Well, we could all tune in to Hannity and watch his panel of 3 white blondes (one being that hot Tomi chick) discuss racism. Yes, that actually happened.

This made its way onto the news today. A buddy of mine got the picture.

Dirty Britches wrote:

grew up in St. Louis and my friends via social media are all staying away. It's going to get ugly.
From what I gathered, the Ferguson deal, Brown got what he had coming.
This situation is more foggy. The only DNA on the gun was from the cop.

Well, we could all tune in to Hannity and watch his panel of 3 white blondes (one being that hot Tomi chick) discuss racism. Yes, that actually happened.

The cop had also said he was gonna kill him. Dash cam also shows the cop going to the trunk of his cop car before "finding" the gun. I fully believe Brown got what he deserved, and the cop was only trying to protect himself. However in this case..... the officer needs to go to jail. Can't say I support rioting and shutting down highways, but shit ain't right.

Dirty Britches wrote:

grew up in St. Louis and my friends via social media are all staying away. It's going to get ugly.
From what I gathered, the Ferguson deal, Brown got what he had coming.
This situation is more foggy. The only DNA on the gun was from the cop.

Well, we could all tune in to Hannity and watch his panel of 3 white blondes (one being that hot Tomi chick) discuss racism. Yes, that actually happened.

colintrax wrote:

The cop had also said he was gonna kill him. Dash cam also shows the cop going to the trunk of his cop car before "finding" the gun. I fully believe Brown got what he deserved, and the cop was only trying to protect himself. However in this case..... the officer needs to go to jail. Can't say I support rioting and shutting down highways, but shit ain't right.

In the video that I saw it looked like he put his rifle back in his car, but didn't grab anything. Also in the judge's statement he said there was no evidence that Stockley had the gun on him at any point.

The sun will be setting soon in St. Louis. I hope everybody stays safe. These are crazy times.

Here is how they treated a reporter that has been covering St. Louis for 30 years.

http://fox2now.com/2017/09/15/scary-moments-for-a-fox-2-reporter-during-a-stockley-protest/

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

In the video that I saw it looked like he put his rifle back in his car, but didn't grab anything. Also in the judge's statement he said there was no evidence that Stockley had the gun on him at any point.

Not really the point I'm making, the cop may not have planted the gun in the car. But there's enough doubt that if you were a black person in Stl, youd believe the cop did.

Besides, the cop said he was gonna kill the guy. That alone screams "guilty"

2smokertillend wrote:

Who protests and brings a gun like that? People having pizza and a band playing music in the back ground. Only in STL

Obviously that guy is a patriot.......

*something happens* Saint Louis:

Those people are going to riot no matter the verdict.

They don't care about verdict or the guy that got killed or the probably dozens of murders since.

All about looting and raising hell.

colintrax wrote:

Not really the point I'm making, the cop may not have planted the gun in the car. But there's enough doubt that if you were a black person in Stl, youd believe the cop did.

Besides, the cop said he was gonna kill the guy. That alone screams "guilty"

They saw what they wanted to see and are using it as an excuse to do exactly what they do every time.

I would be at least a little upset too if somebody almost hit me with their car. We've all said things like that.

They will riot for "justice" and after all of it they will still be in the same position they were before this all happened.

Reminds me of all the riots after OJ was found not guilty. Oh wait...

TXDirt wrote:

Reminds me of all the riots after OJ was found not guilty. Oh wait...

Oh boy.......

Really?

Do you believe that there is a pattern of black men killing white women and being acquitted despite overwhelming evidence?

Or do you truly understand that the OJ verdict was a freak anomaly and you're just throwing shit like that out there without really thinking?

I'm not an expert on this sort of thing but I have never seen cops run to the window of a car at the end of a pursuit. Especially if they know the occupant has a gun. Even if they don't know the driver has a gun, they usually hide behind their vehicle, with their guns drawn, ordering the occupant to get out. And that standoff may go on for hours. Maybe this is common practice but it's not something I have ever seen watching police pursuits.

After reading the transcript linked above, it sure seems like this case was brought on weak evidence. It took them 5 years to put together that case? Doesn't make sense at all. Either does running up to the window of a vehicle with an armed suspect inside but OK.

Maybe there's something I'm missing here but why the hell did they bring this case?

borg wrote:

I'm not an expert on this sort of thing but I have never seen cops run to the window of a car at the end of a pursuit. Especially if they know the occupant has a gun. Even if they don't know the driver has a gun, they usually hide behind their vehicle, with their guns drawn, ordering the occupant to get out. And that standoff may go on for hours. Maybe this is common practice but it's not something I have ever seen watching police pursuits.

After reading the transcript linked above, it sure seems like this case was brought on weak evidence. It took them 5 years to put together that case? Doesn't make sense at all. Either does running up to the window of a vehicle with an armed suspect inside but OK.

Maybe there's something I'm missing here but why the hell did they bring this case?

Yes, it seems like the "system" was pretty set on protecting the officer from prosecution from the get go.

I can't imagine how it would go if a black citizen was recorded saying that he was going to kill a cop, then admittedly did fire the fatal shot, and was later discovered to have lied and planted false evidence.

I'm thinking that they'd have swiftly convicted him and there's slightly less than zero chance of finding that there wasn't a strong enough case for conviction.

borg wrote:

I'm not an expert on this sort of thing but I have never seen cops run to the window of a car at the end of a pursuit. Especially if they know the occupant has a gun. Even if they don't know the driver has a gun, they usually hide behind their vehicle, with their guns drawn, ordering the occupant to get out. And that standoff may go on for hours. Maybe this is common practice but it's not something I have ever seen watching police pursuits.

After reading the transcript linked above, it sure seems like this case was brought on weak evidence. It took them 5 years to put together that case? Doesn't make sense at all. Either does running up to the window of a vehicle with an armed suspect inside but OK.

Maybe there's something I'm missing here but why the hell did they bring this case?

APLMAN99 wrote:

Yes, it seems like the "system" was pretty set on protecting the officer from prosecution from the get go.

I can't imagine how it would go if a black citizen was recorded saying that he was going to kill a cop, then admittedly did fire the fatal shot, and was later discovered to have lied and planted false evidence.

I'm thinking that they'd have swiftly convicted him and there's slightly less than zero chance of finding that there wasn't a strong enough case for conviction.

I only read the 30 page transcript that was linked above and the article in Wikipedia. Is there better information somewhere else?
Based on what I read, there was no evidence that the gun was planted. There was testimony, not just by Stockley, that the gun was already there. The other problem here is that, rightly or wrongly, cops are given wide berth on using deadly force in criminal pursuits. Not so in your scenario. It's why I wonder why they even brought this to trial. Especially after 5 years.

I'm not defending Stockley here, I'm really baffled as to why, with all that could and probably would go wrong, that they would bring this to trial.

I read that the family got like $900,000 from the city of Saint Louis, so if he is " not guilty " , will the family have to pay that back?

TXDirt wrote:

Reminds me of all the riots after OJ was found not guilty. Oh wait...

APLMAN99 wrote:

Oh boy.......

Really?

Do you believe that there is a pattern of black men killing white women and being acquitted despite overwhelming evidence?

Or do you truly understand that the OJ verdict was a freak anomaly and you're just throwing shit like that out there without really thinking?

Well statistically speaking, police killing unarmed black people and being acquitted is also an anomaly.

TXDirt wrote:

Reminds me of all the riots after OJ was found not guilty. Oh wait...

APLMAN99 wrote:

Oh boy.......

Really?

Do you believe that there is a pattern of black men killing white women and being acquitted despite overwhelming evidence?

Or do you truly understand that the OJ verdict was a freak anomaly and you're just throwing shit like that out there without really thinking?

TXDirt wrote:

Well statistically speaking, police killing unarmed black people and being acquitted is also an anomaly.

Because they aren't even usually charged........

APLMAN99 wrote:

Oh boy.......

Really?

Do you believe that there is a pattern of black men killing white women and being acquitted despite overwhelming evidence?

Or do you truly understand that the OJ verdict was a freak anomaly and you're just throwing shit like that out there without really thinking?

TXDirt wrote:

Well statistically speaking, police killing unarmed black people and being acquitted is also an anomaly.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Because they aren't even usually charged........

They are not being charged because there is a lack of evidence to charge them. There have been some charged and convicted. You can't charge someone without enough evidence and you can't convict with out a near absolute certainty by a judge or jury. There are plenty of people (white and black) walking around who have committed a crime but are not charged because of a lack of evidence.

Police are in a fairly unique situation because their job is to "serve and protect" so there can be many variables in each shooting. Your reference of statistical anomalies can also be applied to the fact that few, if any, officers wake up in the morning and say "gee, I'm going to go kill an unarmed black person today."