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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our…
Interesting, fun, article.
I always thought the invention of the internet would be so cool because the answer to every debate was at the touch of our fingertips. Idiots would no longer be able to run unchecked.
Then social media happened and it proved in a roundabout way that facts only matter when they support your argument.
Weird fucking species we are.
Interesting, fun, article.
I always thought the invention of the internet would be so cool because the answer to every debate was at the touch of our fingertips. Idiots would no longer be able to run unchecked.
Then social media happened and it proved in a roundabout way that facts only matter when they support your argument.
Weird fucking species we are.
And now we all live in a space that is an unsocial persons idea of society.
Sockingly; it’s making us less capiable of functioning properly in actual society.
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I do follow some political accounts but if they start becoming too rediculous or negative I just unfollow, I like to stay informed not constantly get bombarded with BS or negative news. We also get a much greater glimps into the lives of those we look to for inspiration (probably pro moto guys for most here), and we can learn from the things they do as well as just get a better idea of who they really are as a person. It can be tough sometimes because everyone’s life is perfect on social media, but you just have to keep in mind that nobody wants to post about crappy stuff that would just bum people out, and a lot of people unfortunately try to live vicariously through it and project an image that’s just not true to reality.
I guess my point is it’s really what you make it. Yes it’s hard not to get sucked into arguments with trolls and negative people sometimes, but if you follow and interact with the right people there’s no reason it can’t be a positive thing. I pretty much just post riding stuff because I enjoy it and I enjoy seeing other people’s stuff as well, so I don’t really see any harm in it.
With the resent Mueller report, it definitely supports your opinion that Facts dont matter. In fact i would say its a fact.
Younger generations have always progressively been more open to new concepts/philosophy/etc.
But for the first time with Millennials & the next generation we’re seeing a huge step back. I find these groups to be incredibly myopic. The socratic method is completely foreign to them. The correlation is that they grew up in the social media era. Where either echo chambers form or fox holes are dug. Very rarely does anyone (of any generation) seek to debate with the intent of seeking truth & resolution.
Which brings us back to the studies in the article. Reason & logic were developed for the need to build social structure, not as a survival mechanism for actually seeking out truth. It is merely a function of trying to get along with your neighbors.
Which is why it is interesting that both reason & logic are irrelevant when settling social media disputes. Nobody ever actually has to meet face to face. Nobody actually has to try & get along. Accountability (and thus logic/reason) are steps of the social process that never get reached because quite frankly, they’re not necessary in this medium.
Without accountability or true settlement of a disagreement, the social structure is in a constant state of arrested development. Social media truly might be the lowest form of communication as a result of our natural aversion to accountability.
It’s like two members here bench racing versus each other, yet never meeting up to actually settle the debate of who is faster.
Those studies would argue tho, that even while in defeat at the racetrack, the avg human will still avoid logic & reason in explaining their loss. The only time humility is shown is when it’s forced/necessary for survival.
That is fascinating. And points to just what a dysfunctionally shitty species we are.
Forum boards are a form a social media. It just happens to be a format you prefer.
I think your Mueller reference is perfect. No matter what that report said not a single conservative or liberal was going to change their stance. In fact, everyone has just "dug in" harder. That's what those studies already proved would happen and sure enough here we are.
The irony is that logic & reason are functions of co-existing. Yet when we're not forced to co-exist yet still share the same space then a shitshow ensues. Social Media is one form. Our country as a whole is another.
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What I dont understand is how someone can be against "social justice". Since when is social justice a bad thing?
It is defined as a concept of fair and just relations between the individual and society.
Are you saying you dont want equality? Does that mean you're against the Constitution? Do you hate America?
Do you also not understand what you're saying when you claim to dislike "following" on social media yet you admit you follow my posts here so you can downvote them?
Do you also not understand what you're saying when you can claim this is a moto forum when in fact it's titled "Non-Moto"?
I think it's pretty evident that you dont know at all what YOU are saying. Which probably means you dont know what you're reading either. Is English your second language?
Not that facts matter after all.
And despite me posting the literal definition, you think Im the ignorant one.
FACTS DONT MATTER! ?
It's a really bold and powerful document, especially the full text in context with what was happening. Probably where the phrase " My God given right" came from.
Interesting that a lot of people also wouldn't want to extend those same "God given" rights to every human, but rather only those who are born as or naturalized citizens.
Also, courts guarantee justice under the law, not "social justice" which seems to be seeking equality of outcome. Justice does not need a modifier - not social justice, environmental justice, simply justice - that is all that is needed.
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