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With no trial!
1984 is fast approaching. Rise against!
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/us/politics/holder-explains-threat-th…
WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. asserted on Monday that it is lawful for the government to kill American citizens if officials deem them to be operational leaders of Al Qaeda who are planning attacks on the United States and if capturing them alive is not feasible.
“Given the nature of how terrorists act and where they tend to hide, it may not always be feasible to capture a United States citizen terrorist who presents an imminent threat of violent attack,” Mr. Holder said in a speech at Northwestern University’s law school. “In that case, our government has the clear authority to defend the United States with lethal force.”
1984 is fast approaching. Rise against!
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/us/politics/holder-explains-threat-th…
WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. asserted on Monday that it is lawful for the government to kill American citizens if officials deem them to be operational leaders of Al Qaeda who are planning attacks on the United States and if capturing them alive is not feasible.
“Given the nature of how terrorists act and where they tend to hide, it may not always be feasible to capture a United States citizen terrorist who presents an imminent threat of violent attack,” Mr. Holder said in a speech at Northwestern University’s law school. “In that case, our government has the clear authority to defend the United States with lethal force.”
So does this really surprise anyone?
The Shop
Worse, yet: The Reality TV watching-Snookie-Fan-Igno-Fucks that need me to pay for their EVERY Whim are completely fuckin' OBLIVIOUS to what's going on.
There, that's EXACTLY what I think.
FURTHERMORE, This POS and his Boss really just shit ALL OVER YOU and your fellow citizens when he (POTUS) signed the latest NDAA.
So, NO! I'm not English and I like my Cops carrying weps.
NO! I don't like the Pre-Authorization to Kill that Holder talks about, here.
NO! I'm not OK with these idiots side-stepping the Charter of our Country.
The Idea that it ain't gonna happen to you has been addressed...over 200 years ago...by a very wise man. Maybe you've heard of him?
Ben Frankiln...?
Feel free to spin away.
Pit Row
I sure am glad it is, on a case by case basis. ONLY freaking thing this 4 years has done right.
Show me one case of police murdering innocent people that they were NOT brought to trial............JUST ONE!!!!!! Don't argue with me about conviction or innocence, that was the juries decision based on facts that you have no idea about unless you were on the jury.
JUST ONE
However, I do have doubts most times that people will not abuse power. But in this case, when you release a video, stating you want to kell every Infidel American you can and you denounce your citizenship.......I think its pretty cut and dry case.....just sayin
If a cop shoots someone, you are correct, they do not go directly to trial. They are put in front of a review board and question about every fucking thing in their lives and they have NO rights. Medical records, financial records, past performance reviews everything. 10 times more invasive than a normal trial and would never be done or tolerated by the regular citizen screaming to the ACLU. They do not need probable cause, they do not need search warrants. Then they go to an inquest to determine if blame can be placed, as does EVERY legal action involving death. Then after those two it is determined whether to start a trial.
"turning the military loose on Americans" if this aint the butt-fucking stupidiest statement I have ever heard. Everything you say from this point on is mute coming for a person who actually thinks the Military is "turned loose" on Americans.
ONCE AGAIN - you have NEVER been a cop and have NEVER been in the military and you have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE of what you are talking about..........ZERO!!!!!
Because people base their opinions off of experience, not what the TV told them. also if you have no experience, your opinions really do not mean much.........which is why you never add that you have NO experience in what you are talking about.
Your right, you do not need credentials to question, but you need a little experieince to know what you are questioning. You are not obligated to "automatically" question your government, it is aright given to you by your government, but that doesn;t mean you can;t question them, you just need a little experience about "what" you are questioning.
Cops DO go to trail if found they should be tried for thier actions. I have presented that task, find me ONE. No bunddy held a gun to Mr American Terrorist either. he CHOSE to be a terrorist against the country he is from. Now one held him at gunpoint.
I DO NOT suggest only those who serve can question, in fact I think EVERYONE (with experience on the matters at hand) should be able to question things they do not like.......but again the problems lies with you have to have experience on what you are questioning.
The fact that I have been in the military even 1 day is more of defending the constitution then you EVER will. Yep you are right again, since the day I was born I have been in the military and the life I have lived traveling the globe 10 times over has skewed my "allegiance" to my country and this is why after 42 years, I am still defending people like you.........of course cause my allegiance is skewed. The only thing that could "skew" my allegiance is having to go to bed at night, in an Afghanistan desert while my buddies pull gaurd duty, to keep the base alive, knowing the people I am doing this for, question my "skewed allegiance"
The group I am sworn to defend is YOU!!!
See how that works I addressed all your concerns, address the words presented, answer the questions presented and stick to the topic. Think we can handle that in return?
On the other issue, my father was a Capt. on the New Orleans police force, so I'll be a little biased on this one. But if a cop kills someone in the line of duty, his life and his career may never be the same, no matter how rightful. And if there is even the smallest hint of wrongdoing, you can bet your ass it's going to trial.
Because you can put out an APB (all points bulletin) to every police agency in the US to pick up Joe terrosist in the a Nebraska bunker, which you then in turn can bring to trial. Easy.
No such APB in Afghanistan and when you have a person that has joined a terrorist organization and is wholed up in a foreign country, then you have to deal with treaties and foreign relations and SOFA agreements and then the country (as they already have) can just say, he is no longer an American citizen, he has denounced his citienship, has requested exile and we are not going to give him to you.
So after that the US government (whatever you want to call the dept) has a meeting, pretty much determines the security level threat and issues orders to "stop the aggression behavior" against the US and their allies for the purpose of national security. And then they formulate a plan to rid said terrorist from mother earth.
However this explanation is all for not. At any given time, he could have turned himself in for a proper trial (in the US or Afghan which you know he would have recieved if he gave up) but he chose not to...........NO one put a gun to his head and since he was an American, he knows damn well what the punishment for treason is.
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