Congress bows to the mouth-breathers

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You guys find something else to make up. They've taken the 'death panels' out of the bill.
Now grandma and grandpa will have to pay for their living will counseling sessions.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/finance-committee-to-drop-end-of-li…

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You mean the same "death panels" that our honest democratic polititions claimed wasn't in the bill?
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kcadrenalin wrote:
You mean the same "death panels" that our honest democratic polititions claimed wasn't in the bill?
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Because they weren't. Read the bill and tell me where these death panels came from?

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

How can they take out something that wasn't there in the first place. I don't care one way or another, I just think it's kind of funny.
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You guys find something else to make up. They've taken the 'death panels' out of the bill. Now grandma and grandpa will have to pay for...
You guys find something else to make up. They've taken the 'death panels' out of the bill.
Now grandma and grandpa will have to pay for their living will counseling sessions.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/finance-committee-to-drop-end-of-li…

Why shouldn't g-ma and g-pa have to pay for their living will counseling sessions?

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flarider 8/14/2009 6:49am
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because having a living will saves the HC industry and the family money, not to mention saving the patient long term suffering


Billions (prob trillions) are pissed away annually on unwanted long term life sustaining procedures because people don't have living wills or advance directives
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flarider 8/14/2009 6:52am
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How can they take out something that wasn't there in the first place. I don't care one way or another, I just think it's kind of...
How can they take out something that wasn't there in the first place. I don't care one way or another, I just think it's kind of funny.
They took out something that was COMPLETELY misconstrued and would have been beneficial to everyone....patient, family, HC system

Billions are wasted and lost because people don't have living wills or advance directives
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flarider wrote:
because having a living will saves the HC industry and the family money, not to mention saving the patient long term suffering Billions (prob trillions) are...
because having a living will saves the HC industry and the family money, not to mention saving the patient long term suffering


Billions (prob trillions) are pissed away annually on unwanted long term life sustaining procedures because people don't have living wills or advance directives
And why is this the governments responsibility to pay for?
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SEEMEFIRST 8/14/2009 7:01am
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flarider wrote:
because having a living will saves the HC industry and the family money, not to mention saving the patient long term suffering Billions (prob trillions) are...
because having a living will saves the HC industry and the family money, not to mention saving the patient long term suffering


Billions (prob trillions) are pissed away annually on unwanted long term life sustaining procedures because people don't have living wills or advance directives
Trillions? You sure you know what a trillion is? I realize the present administration tosses that figure around like it's something we can grasp, but you'll have to find a more reasonable figure to get my attention.
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flarider 8/14/2009 7:03am
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because it raises the cost of HC, they're elderly, they're already on medicare/medicaid, why not add a code allowing a physician reimbursement 1x every 5 yrs to discuss what care the patient wants when shit goes south?

Otherwise, the medicare/medicaid you're already paying for will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep someone on life support, even though they're suffering, terminal and VERBALLY expressed that they didn't want to go out that way, because VERBALLY DOESN'T MEAN SHIT


Want proof?

Terri Schivo


People need it IN WRITING, a proper living will or advance directive


Need to do it while the patient is still physically and mentally capable of executing it


Otherwise, the government is going to needlessly piss away billions on unnecessary and unwanted long term terminal care that the patient doesn't want....but it's your money
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flarider 8/14/2009 7:05am
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flarider wrote:
because having a living will saves the HC industry and the family money, not to mention saving the patient long term suffering Billions (prob trillions) are...
because having a living will saves the HC industry and the family money, not to mention saving the patient long term suffering


Billions (prob trillions) are pissed away annually on unwanted long term life sustaining procedures because people don't have living wills or advance directives
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Trillions? You sure you know what a trillion is? I realize the present administration tosses that figure around like it's something we can grasp, but you'll...
Trillions? You sure you know what a trillion is? I realize the present administration tosses that figure around like it's something we can grasp, but you'll have to find a more reasonable figure to get my attention.
That's why I said "(prob trillions)" because I realize that's a guess

Thought that was pretty obvious, but gee whiz, I guess I thought you guys were smart enough to realize that as well
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flarider wrote:
because it raises the cost of HC, they're elderly, they're already on medicare/medicaid, why not add a code allowing a physician reimbursement 1x every 5 yrs...
because it raises the cost of HC, they're elderly, they're already on medicare/medicaid, why not add a code allowing a physician reimbursement 1x every 5 yrs to discuss what care the patient wants when shit goes south?

Otherwise, the medicare/medicaid you're already paying for will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep someone on life support, even though they're suffering, terminal and VERBALLY expressed that they didn't want to go out that way, because VERBALLY DOESN'T MEAN SHIT


Want proof?

Terri Schivo


People need it IN WRITING, a proper living will or advance directive


Need to do it while the patient is still physically and mentally capable of executing it


Otherwise, the government is going to needlessly piss away billions on unnecessary and unwanted long term terminal care that the patient doesn't want....but it's your money
My real estate taxes on my house cost me $6,500 a year... I think the government should have to pay that too....
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flarider 8/14/2009 7:10am
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My real estate taxes on my house cost me $6,500 a year... I think the government should have to pay that too....
No, we need that money to keep terminally ill patients alive who don't want to be kept alive but didn't have a living will....hundreds more just like you as well, just for one patient

Sorry



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huck 8/14/2009 7:11am
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flarider wrote:
Huh?


My legal expenses for my trust cost me a couple thousand a year... I want the government to pay for those too...

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flarider wrote:
They took out something that was COMPLETELY misconstrued and would have been beneficial to everyone....patient, family, HC system Billions are wasted and lost because people don't...
They took out something that was COMPLETELY misconstrued and would have been beneficial to everyone....patient, family, HC system

Billions are wasted and lost because people don't have living wills or advance directives
I’m hoping you checked the DNR box






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indy_maico 8/14/2009 7:23am
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huck wrote:
My real estate taxes on my house cost me $6,500 a year... I think the government should have to pay that too....
If you file the long form you can deduct that, you know?
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Terri Schivo was not old.

Everyone should have a living will, I'll certainly not argue that point.
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huck wrote:
My legal expenses for my trust cost me a couple thousand a year... I want the government to pay for those too...


No, we need that money to keep terminally ill patients alive who don't want to be kept alive but didn't have a living will....hundreds more just like you as well, just for one patient

Sorry

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flarider 8/14/2009 7:31am
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Terri Schivo was not old.

Everyone should have a living will, I'll certainly not argue that point.
and that's all this was, compensating your physician or counselor in regards to your having or updating your living will to your wishes, 1x per 5 yrs


Not unreasonable
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huck 8/14/2009 7:40am
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My legal expenses for my trust cost me a couple thousand a year... I want the government to pay for those too...

flarider wrote:
No, we need that money to keep terminally ill patients alive who don't want to be kept alive but didn't have a living will....hundreds more just...

No, we need that money to keep terminally ill patients alive who don't want to be kept alive but didn't have a living will....hundreds more just like you as well, just for one patient

Sorry
I have a living will... without aide from the government...


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huck wrote:
I have a living will... without aide from the government...


He is not lying! I agreed to shoot Huck's dumbass if he ever is on life support.

I even have a special bullet set aside just for it !
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huck wrote:
I have a living will... without aide from the government...


Racer92 wrote:
He is not lying! I agreed to shoot Huck's dumbass if he ever is on life support. I even have a special bullet set aside just...
He is not lying! I agreed to shoot Huck's dumbass if he ever is on life support.

I even have a special bullet set aside just for it !
Laughing
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huck wrote:
I have a living will... without aide from the government...


You're assuming everyone is as smart as you....do you think the rest of America is as smart as you?

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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Terri Schivo was not old.

Everyone should have a living will, I'll certainly not argue that point.
flarider wrote:
and that's all this was, compensating your physician or counselor in regards to your having or updating your living will to your wishes, 1x per 5...
and that's all this was, compensating your physician or counselor in regards to your having or updating your living will to your wishes, 1x per 5 yrs


Not unreasonable
Dave still commenting on healthcare with no real knowledge huh?
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huck wrote:
I have a living will... without aide from the government...


flarider wrote:
You're assuming everyone is as smart as you....do you think the rest of America is as smart as you?

I'm pretty sure they are, and then some. Wink
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huck wrote:
I have a living will... without aide from the government...


Racer92 wrote:
He is not lying! I agreed to shoot Huck's dumbass if he ever is on life support. I even have a special bullet set aside just...
He is not lying! I agreed to shoot Huck's dumbass if he ever is on life support.

I even have a special bullet set aside just for it !
funny, I have a special bullet set aside for Huck too...but, he didn't ask me to do it. I'm just that kind of guy.

Wink

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