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5/9/2012 4:45 AM

Whats next?
Not allowing women the right to vote any more?
Segregation?

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"Blind faith in a god is a poor substitute for logic and reason."

5/9/2012 4:57 AM

There are a lot of people here that missed the bus 50 years ago.

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5/9/2012 5:10 AM

Are you gay?

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5/9/2012 5:27 AM

reded wrote:

Are you gay?

No. Why?

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"Blind faith in a god is a poor substitute for logic and reason."

5/9/2012 5:55 AM

You're not gay and you apparently don't live in North Carolina. It's not your problem and it doesn't affect you, don't worry about it.

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5/9/2012 7:00 AM

reded wrote:

You're not gay and you apparently don't live in North Carolina. It's not your problem and it doesn't affect you, don't worry about it.

My brother in law is gay and lives in Raleigh. He's been with the same guy for 13 plus years. .The new law is bullshit. Just another way to divide us all by people filled with ignorance and fear. Allowing them to have gotten married hurts no one else.

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The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value.

5/9/2012 7:05 AM

Well then your brother-in-law has a problem. I'm sure that you, spinner and I have bigger problems in our lives than worrying about gays getting married in NC. If we all fixed our own problems rather than worrying about everyone else there would be a lot less bullshit going on in this country.

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5/9/2012 7:10 AM

reded wrote:

You're not gay and you apparently don't live in North Carolina. It's not your problem and it doesn't affect you, don't worry about it.

yzvet426 wrote:

My brother in law is gay and lives in Raleigh. He's been with the same guy for 13 plus years. .The new law is bullshit. Just another way to divide us all by people filled with ignorance and fear. Allowing them to have gotten married hurts no one else.

I think saying people who are against gay marriage are filled with ignorance and fear is pretty cliche. I mean really you don't think they may have a legitimate reason to believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

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5/9/2012 7:20 AM

reded wrote:

You're not gay and you apparently don't live in North Carolina. It's not your problem and it doesn't affect you, don't worry about it.

yzvet426 wrote:

My brother in law is gay and lives in Raleigh. He's been with the same guy for 13 plus years. .The new law is bullshit. Just another way to divide us all by people filled with ignorance and fear. Allowing them to have gotten married hurts no one else.

If they've been together for 13 years, then nothing has changed and they can continue to be together.

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5/9/2012 7:20 AM

A load of my relatives that i had never met before who live in NC came to England,

Nice people, but to say they were behind the times is an understatement.

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5/9/2012 7:29 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/9/2012 7:30 AM

In a way but I'm talking about it going from the bottom to the top. If you and I worried about the problems in the small space that we occupy instead of the rest of the country and the U.S. Government worried about the problems here, in the United States instead of the rest of the world, we'd be in a lot better shape.

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5/9/2012 7:34 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/9/2012 7:34 AM

reded wrote:

You're not gay and you apparently don't live in North Carolina. It's not your problem and it doesn't affect you, don't worry about it.

yzvet426 wrote:

My brother in law is gay and lives in Raleigh. He's been with the same guy for 13 plus years. .The new law is bullshit. Just another way to divide us all by people filled with ignorance and fear. Allowing them to have gotten married hurts no one else.

gabrielmalinois wrote:

I think saying people who are against gay marriage are filled with ignorance and fear is pretty cliche. I mean really you don't think they may have a legitimate reason to believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

Legitimate? You mean like religion? No, religion is not a legitimate reason; it's personal belief. If it's legitimate, than the psychos who flew the planes on 9/11 were justified in their actions.

So if some silly ass book written by a bunch of sand monkeys from 2000+ years ago, who thought the sun revolved around the earth, tells you something and you decide to believe it because you're scared of the unknown, keep your moronic opinions to yourself. We need thinking people, not frightened sheep.

Statistics don't support the idea that gays are bad for society; only fear created by a little mind does.

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5/9/2012 7:36 AM

Who cares about gays? Don't we have bigger things to worry about?

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5/9/2012 7:44 AM

yzvet426 wrote:

My brother in law is gay and lives in Raleigh. He's been with the same guy for 13 plus years. .The new law is bullshit. Just another way to divide us all by people filled with ignorance and fear. Allowing them to have gotten married hurts no one else.

gabrielmalinois wrote:

I think saying people who are against gay marriage are filled with ignorance and fear is pretty cliche. I mean really you don't think they may have a legitimate reason to believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

jtomasik wrote:

Legitimate? You mean like religion? No, religion is not a legitimate reason; it's personal belief. If it's legitimate, than the psychos who flew the planes on 9/11 were justified in their actions.

So if some silly ass book written by a bunch of sand monkeys from 2000+ years ago, who thought the sun revolved around the earth, tells you something and you decide to believe it because you're scared of the unknown, keep your moronic opinions to yourself. We need thinking people, not frightened sheep.

Statistics don't support the idea that gays are bad for society; only fear created by a little mind does.

I didn't mention religion, why would you even bring it up? I just asked a simple question, and you can answer it if you like? Is there really no legitimate reason for people to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman? yzvet426 said .The new law is bullshit. Just another way to divide us all by people filled with ignorance and fear. That is just a cliche, I mean really, come on its not reasonable to have a traditional view. The irony is how divisive that statement is.

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5/9/2012 7:52 AM

burn1986 wrote:

Who cares about gays? Don't we have bigger things to worry about?

Isn't that the exact same attitude people outside of our sport exhibit when some developer gobbles up riding areas or a track gets shut down for noise, excess traffic or an accident? Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it's not important.

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5/9/2012 7:52 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/9/2012 7:56 AM

How much of this stupid crap matters when you're broke or get cancer or you're kids suffer? I mean c'mon, really? I guarantee you that when a person goes through a severe trial and diverse circumstances, their touchy sensitive feelings about trivial bs no longer matters.I'm sure people who just lost their jobs, or their spouse just died, or their kids just locked up in prison aren't worried too much about divisive statements toward some belief they have. No, they are worried where the next meal is coming from or how they are gong to make it through another day.

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5/9/2012 8:05 AM

burn1986 wrote:

Who cares about gays? Don't we have bigger things to worry about?

Yeah I bet that's what some people said during the 60's about Blacks or during the 40's when the Jews were being gassed. probably the same people saying that when women had no right's to vote. You'd also be surprised how many rights I have being married to my wife that they don't have.

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The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value.

5/9/2012 8:10 AM

burn1986 wrote:

How much of this stupid crap matters when you're broke or get cancer or you're kids suffer? I mean c'mon, really? I guarantee you that when a person goes through a severe trial and diverse circumstances, their touchy sensitive feelings about trivial bs no longer matters.I'm sure people who just lost their jobs, or their spouse just died, or their kids just locked up in prison aren't worried too much about divisive statements toward some belief they have. No, they are worried where the next meal is coming from or how they are gong to make it through another day.

Interesting post. Because if either of them get's cancer the other has no rights as your wife might have. Not even the right to visit as a member of the family. They'd like to adopt and would make pretty great parent's. No way that can happen in NC. It's not as much to do with "touchy feely stuff" as it is about the rights of a spouse.

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The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value.

5/9/2012 8:55 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/9/2012 8:57 AM

Is there a serious right being violated? Which constitutional right is being violated. Age, Race, and Sex are different than sexual behavior or orientation. But we know there will not be an argument good enough to satisfy you. Now, all the laws and victories of the Civl Rights era are being perverted to twist the law for a certain group that will never be satisfied, no matter how much leeway is given, and no matter how many laws are passed to try and give them what they want - which is to be cleared of a guilty and confused conscience, and to be healed of a wounded heart.

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5/9/2012 10:59 AM

burn1986 wrote:

Is there a serious right being violated? Which constitutional right is being violated. Age, Race, and Sex are different than sexual behavior or orientation. But we know there will not be an argument good enough to satisfy you. Now, all the laws and victories of the Civl Rights era are being perverted to twist the law for a certain group that will never be satisfied, no matter how much leeway is given, and no matter how many laws are passed to try and give them what they want - which is to be cleared of a guilty and confused conscience, and to be healed of a wounded heart.

That's got to be right up in the top ten most homophobic statements I've ever heard.

Maybe even top five.

Congratulations!

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Ask not what your country can do for you, unless you can afford a lobbyist.

5/9/2012 11:36 AM

I live in NC and apparently the amendment included some things related to non-same sex relationships as well. That hasn't really been put out there, but it will probably affect more than a few of the people that voted for it.


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5/9/2012 11:36 AM

burn1986 wrote:

Is there a serious right being violated? Which constitutional right is being violated. Age, Race, and Sex are different than sexual behavior or orientation. But we know there will not be an argument good enough to satisfy you. Now, all the laws and victories of the Civl Rights era are being perverted to twist the law for a certain group that will never be satisfied, no matter how much leeway is given, and no matter how many laws are passed to try and give them what they want - which is to be cleared of a guilty and confused conscience, and to be healed of a wounded heart.

motogeezer wrote:

That's got to be right up in the top ten most homophobic statements I've ever heard.

Maybe even top five.

Congratulations!

I am curious why you think that statement is homophobic?

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5/9/2012 11:46 AM

Just something to think about it is said to have come from WW2

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

--Martin Niemöller


Kinda weird and it's just for argument sake but take out the Jew part and it sounds like the Republican party of today (Yes I know, less the killing) - Just sayin

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The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value.

5/9/2012 11:48 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/9/2012 11:49 AM

gabrielmalinois wrote:

I think saying people who are against gay marriage are filled with ignorance and fear is pretty cliche. I mean really you don't think they may have a legitimate reason to believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

Ok, give me a quantifiably backed study that shows the negative effects of allowing two gays to get married vs. living their lives together, paying even more taxes than you and me, and getting less back from the system they contribute to than you and me.

And don't pull out some religious horseshit from a book written by a bunch of sand monkeys 2000 years ago who were so in tune with the creator that they thought the sun revolved around the earth. Because if you think that religious belief alone legitimizes actions, then those religious fruitcakes who flew those planes on 9/11 are justified.

Fucking right-wing bible thumping nutbags. Get out of the 15th century and evolve already. Oh, and your boy is on the take from the money, including Wall Street. Goddamn. Ignorants.

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5/9/2012 11:50 AM

gabrielmalinois wrote:

I am curious why you think that statement is homophobic?

"Now, all the laws and victories of the Civl Rights era are being perverted to twist the law for a certain group that will never be satisfied, no matter how much leeway is given, and no matter how many laws are passed to try and give them what they want - which is to be cleared of a guilty and confused conscience, and to be healed of a wounded heart."
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Ask not what your country can do for you, unless you can afford a lobbyist.

5/9/2012 11:54 AM

yzvet426 wrote:

My brother in law is gay and lives in Raleigh. He's been with the same guy for 13 plus years. .The new law is bullshit. Just another way to divide us all by people filled with ignorance and fear. Allowing them to have gotten married hurts no one else.

gabrielmalinois wrote:

I think saying people who are against gay marriage are filled with ignorance and fear is pretty cliche. I mean really you don't think they may have a legitimate reason to believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

jtomasik wrote:

Ok, give me a quantifiably backed study that shows the negative effects of allowing two gays to get married vs. living their lives together, paying even more taxes than you and me, and getting less back from the system they contribute to than you and me.

And don't pull out some religious horseshit from a book written by a bunch of sand monkeys 2000 years ago who were so in tune with the creator that they thought the sun revolved around the earth. Because if you think that religious belief alone legitimizes actions, then those religious fruitcakes who flew those planes on 9/11 are justified.

Fucking right-wing bible thumping nutbags. Get out of the 15th century and evolve already. Oh, and your boy is on the take from the money, including Wall Street. Goddamn. Ignorants.

Whoa! Simmer down buddy.

Again you are the one who keeps bringing religion in to the conversation not me. I am just asking a simple question. Is it is it not a reasonable position to think that marriage is between a man and a woman? That somebody could legitimately come to that conclusion without being "homophobic, ignorant or fearful.

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5/9/2012 11:54 AM

burn1986 wrote:

Is there a serious right being violated? Which constitutional right is being violated. Age, Race, and Sex are different than sexual behavior or orientation. But we know there will not be an argument good enough to satisfy you. Now, all the laws and victories of the Civl Rights era are being perverted to twist the law for a certain group that will never be satisfied, no matter how much leeway is given, and no matter how many laws are passed to try and give them what they want - which is to be cleared of a guilty and confused conscience, and to be healed of a wounded heart.

Civil rights are supposed to be for everyone, not just the group you decide is worthy of them.

Because someone is gay doesn't mean they're a lesser person or that they don't deserve the same rights and freedoms as you or I do. If you truly believe that they are not worthy of the same rights you or I have, then what is the next group you'll decide isn't worthy? Where do you draw the line? Non-christians? Atheists? Adulterers?

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5/9/2012 11:57 AM

gabrielmalinois wrote:

Whoa! Simmer down buddy.

Again you are the one who keeps bringing religion in to the conversation not me. I am just asking a simple question. Is it is it not a reasonable position to think that marriage is between a man and a woman? That somebody could legitimately come to that conclusion without being "homophobic, ignorant or fearful.

The only reason to think of marriage as strictly between a man and a woman is religion.

Jtom is totally justified in bringing it to the conversation.

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Ask not what your country can do for you, unless you can afford a lobbyist.

5/9/2012 11:58 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/9/2012 11:59 AM

gabrielmalinois wrote:

Whoa! Simmer down buddy.

Again you are the one who keeps bringing religion in to the conversation not me. I am just asking a simple question. Is it is it not a reasonable position to think that marriage is between a man and a woman? That somebody could legitimately come to that conclusion without being "homophobic, ignorant or fearful.

No, it's not, because you don't have a logical, quantifiable leg to stand on. And no, I won't simmer down. The only thing you're doing is violating the Bill of Rights.

If I'm wrong, produce the data and study, or STFU.

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5/9/2012 11:59 AM

motogeezer wrote:

That's got to be right up in the top ten most homophobic statements I've ever heard.

Maybe even top five.

Congratulations!

gabrielmalinois wrote:

I am curious why you think that statement is homophobic?

motogeezer wrote: "Now, all the laws and victories of the Civl Rights era are being perverted to twist the law for a certain group that will never be satisfied, no matter how much leeway is given, and no matter how many laws are passed to try and give them what they want - which is to be cleared of a guilty and confused conscience, and to be healed of a wounded heart."

I think there is a big assumption there that comes from burn's personal beliefs but I didn't see it as being homophobic. I just bring that up because the term "homophobic" is a major cliche ascribed to anybody who disagrees with homosexuality on any level. Often it is rightly applied but many times it is not and it is a counter demonization.

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